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[BirKibrisli]

I did wonder what could Nicos Anastasiades and Tahsin Ertugruloglu have had to say to each other when they met the other week...This article by Alkan Chaglar in Londra Toplum Postasi sheds some light on the matter...

Here are two sample quotes to whet your appetites:

Now faced with a new leadership challenge by the more rational and centrist Dr Dervis Eroglu and thanks to pressure applied by the Turkish government, UBP’s current leader Tahsin Ertugruloglu took a surprise decision to meet with DISY – formerly seen as unthinkable. For the first time in history, last week DISY leader Nicos Anastasiades crossed over to meet UBP leader Tahsin Ertugruloglu. Although in their three-hour meeting the two party leaders failed to find common ground, what is important is the meeting itself. UBP’s willingness to engage with DISY perhaps signifies the extent political parties will go to save them from political extinction when their positions become untenable. Like black clouds that portend a storm, UBP has effectively been told that they would be finished electorally if they do not change with the times.

The Cyprus issue is not a contest between communitarian values versus libertarian ones. No political party can ownership of a Cyprus solution. Linking a solution with political ideology will only serve partisan interests and not Cyprus. All political parties must participate in designing the new Cyprus. No Cypriot who believes in peace and reunification, bicommunalism or who identifies themselves as a Cypriot should be labelled for being a Marxist / communist. Similarly, liberals and conservatives who believe in reunification should not be tarred with the same brush that identifies fascism, which liberals and conservative equally oppose. Only a widening middle ground and consensus among Cypriot parties from across the political continuum can erode such political stereotyping.

Does anyone have any comments?????

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/index.php/cat/1/col/85/art/1715/PageName/Ana_sayfa_-_Main_News

[Nikitas]

It brings back vague memories of a slogan: "better Turk than Communist". I remember the slogan, but cannot remember the context in which I heard it.

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

It brings back vague memories of a slogan: "better Turk than Communist". I remember the slogan, but cannot remember the context in which I heard it.

Just before the fall of Constantinople by the Turks, generals in the city refused to fight because they thought "better a Turk than a Crusader"...after the Crusaders had sacked the city so badly some years prior.

[BirKibrisli]

Historically, the Greek and Turkish Cypriot left have always been in contact to mobilize Cypriots in support of peace and reunification. In the 20th century, most of the bicommunal activities on the island were organised by or had links to the Cyprus Communist Party AKEL and its affiliated trade unions. Even after the events of 1974, when Cypriots were effectively sealed off from one another communication between members of Greek and Turkish Cypriot left wing parties, trade unions and groups continued. Left wing parties north and south of the Green Line even went to such lengths as travelling thousands of miles to Britain to meet members of their “brother and sister parties.”


Obviously, considering the Cypriot left overall were long under attack both psychologically and physically by Greek and Turkish nationalists who have long had the upper hand, the positive relations established amongst the Cypriot left during the worst periods of division and conflict were commendable for maintaining some degree of unity on a divided island, even if the base of that unity was ideological. Even if some would argue that it was the natural reaction of those attacked by the far-right to swing to the far left; undoubtedly it was thanks to the Cypriot left that the dream of a reunited Cyprus has been kept alive.

But the same situation cannot be said for Cyprus’ liberal and conservative parties. Firstly, because the Cypriot right until recently was synonymous with the far right. With a nationalist rhetoric unchallenged by Cypriots, often supported by foreign powers, the Cypriot right has taken longer to engage with Cypriots from the ‘other’ side. The Cypriot right for a long time were not constrained like political parties on the left by relations with Cypriots across the Green Line and therefore could play the nationalist card.

I guess the real reason why AKEL eventually failed to unite even the left leaning Cypriots was because Akel supported the megali idea (ENOSIS) from the early 40s...That turned all but the handful of ideologically most driven TCs towards the arms of the Turkish nationalists....

[Oracle]

I guess the real reason why AKEL eventually failed to unite even the left leaning Cypriots was because Akel supported the megali idea (ENOSIS) from the early 40s...That turned all but the handful of ideologically most driven TCs towards the arms of the Turkish nationalists....

Your compassionate misjudgement of the TCs as a group lacking in possession of anything more than a few collective neurons, is wearisome as a cogent excuse for rallying special treatment for this ethnic shortcoming.

Personally as a bohemian supporter of the Megali Idea (re. Constantinople) purely for intellectual titillation, yet a staunch opposer of the belated, historical (now insignificant due to EU) Enosis dream ..... I think you have your ideological-terminology unorthodoxly mixed up.

Besides your tricky attempts to excuse TCs today of personal initiative & responsibility because of such outdated ideas, is as transparent and ineffective as David Cameron embarking on a policy of discrediting Gordon Brown for the Labour Left Nationalisation programmes of the 50's and 60's Great Britain, and Communist leanings, as endangering the present-day UK public of becoming puppets of Putin; whilst ignoring the positive changes made in the 80's and 90's to yield "New Labour".

Move into the 21st Century Bir and do us all a favour.
It's not hip nor trendy to demand special treatment for a group of people which you have labelled us unable to meet the demands of modern society ... Let's see some national emancipation from your people .....

[Viewpoint]

I guess the real reason why AKEL eventually failed to unite even the left leaning Cypriots was because Akel supported the megali idea (ENOSIS) from the early 40s...That turned all but the handful of ideologically most driven TCs towards the arms of the Turkish nationalists....

Your compassionate misjudgement of the TCs as a group lacking in possession of anything more than a few collective neurons, is wearisome as a cogent excuse for rallying special treatment for this ethnic shortcoming.

Personally as a bohemian supporter of the Megali Idea (re. Constantinople) purely for intellectual titillation, yet a staunch opposer of the belated, historical (now insignificant due to EU) Enosis dream ..... I think you have your ideological-terminology unorthodoxly mixed up.

Besides your tricky attempts to excuse TCs today of personal initiative & responsibility because of such outdated ideas, is as transparent and ineffective as David Cameron embarking on a policy of discrediting Gordon Brown for the Labour Left Nationalisation programmes of the 50's and 60's Great Britain, and Communist leanings, as endangering the present-day UK public of becoming puppets of Putin; whilst ignoring the positive changes made in the 80's and 90's to yield "New Labour".

Move into the 21st Century Bir and do us all a favour.
It's not hip nor trendy to demand special treatment for a group of people which you have labelled us unable to meet the demands of modern society ... Let's see some national emancipation from your people .....

Your claim to have changed and moved forward into the 21st century is not backed up by what you have been posting your racist and crude remarks only display your lack of vision and understanding of anything Turkish or the TC viewpoint, we cannot possibly come to any agreement with people of your mentality and shit stirring antics...you are the problem and as longs as you and people like you continue to be tunneled visioned the status quo will continue.

[Oracle]

I guess the real reason why AKEL eventually failed to unite even the left leaning Cypriots was because Akel supported the megali idea (ENOSIS) from the early 40s...That turned all but the handful of ideologically most driven TCs towards the arms of the Turkish nationalists....

Your compassionate misjudgement of the TCs as a group lacking in possession of anything more than a few collective neurons, is wearisome as a cogent excuse for rallying special treatment for this ethnic shortcoming.

Personally as a bohemian supporter of the Megali Idea (re. Constantinople) purely for intellectual titillation, yet a staunch opposer of the belated, historical (now insignificant due to EU) Enosis dream ..... I think you have your ideological-terminology unorthodoxly mixed up.

Besides your tricky attempts to excuse TCs today of personal initiative & responsibility because of such outdated ideas, is as transparent and ineffective as David Cameron embarking on a policy of discrediting Gordon Brown for the Labour Left Nationalisation programmes of the 50's and 60's Great Britain, and Communist leanings, as endangering the present-day UK public of becoming puppets of Putin; whilst ignoring the positive changes made in the 80's and 90's to yield "New Labour".

Move into the 21st Century Bir and do us all a favour.
It's not hip nor trendy to demand special treatment for a group of people which you have labelled us unable to meet the demands of modern society ... Let's see some national emancipation from your people .....

Your claim to have changed and moved forward into the 21st century is not backed up by what you have been posting your racist and crude remarks only display your lack of vision and understanding of anything Turkish or the TC viewpoint, we cannot possibly come to any agreement with people of your mentality and shit stirring antics...you are the problem and as longs as you and people like you continue to be tunneled visioned the status quo will continue.

Sorry VP ... I always advocate treating the Turk-TCs as mature respectable, responsible individuals ... who are quite capable of practicing Democracy, given the chance!

What is wrong with that?

You have me mixed up with BirKibrisli ... he is the one who thinks they are lacking in abilities ....

Take your argument about racism up with BirKibrisli ... he does you a grave injustice with his patronising views.

[Viewpoint]

I guess the real reason why AKEL eventually failed to unite even the left leaning Cypriots was because Akel supported the megali idea (ENOSIS) from the early 40s...That turned all but the handful of ideologically most driven TCs towards the arms of the Turkish nationalists....

Your compassionate misjudgement of the TCs as a group lacking in possession of anything more than a few collective neurons, is wearisome as a cogent excuse for rallying special treatment for this ethnic shortcoming.

Personally as a bohemian supporter of the Megali Idea (re. Constantinople) purely for intellectual titillation, yet a staunch opposer of the belated, historical (now insignificant due to EU) Enosis dream ..... I think you have your ideological-terminology unorthodoxly mixed up.

Besides your tricky attempts to excuse TCs today of personal initiative & responsibility because of such outdated ideas, is as transparent and ineffective as David Cameron embarking on a policy of discrediting Gordon Brown for the Labour Left Nationalisation programmes of the 50's and 60's Great Britain, and Communist leanings, as endangering the present-day UK public of becoming puppets of Putin; whilst ignoring the positive changes made in the 80's and 90's to yield "New Labour".

Move into the 21st Century Bir and do us all a favour.
It's not hip nor trendy to demand special treatment for a group of people which you have labelled us unable to meet the demands of modern society ... Let's see some national emancipation from your people .....

Your claim to have changed and moved forward into the 21st century is not backed up by what you have been posting your racist and crude remarks only display your lack of vision and understanding of anything Turkish or the TC viewpoint, we cannot possibly come to any agreement with people of your mentality and shit stirring antics...you are the problem and as longs as you and people like you continue to be tunneled visioned the status quo will continue.

Sorry VP ... I always advocate treating the Turk-TCs as mature respectable, responsible individuals ... who are quite capable of practicing Democracy, given the chance!

What is wrong with that?

You have me mixed up with BirKibrisli ... he is the one who thinks they are lacking in abilities ....

Take your argument about racism up with BirKibrisli ... he does you a grave injustice with his patronising views.

Bury your head in the sand all you wish but the reality is still out there, aşş your views are racist and one sided, you will never find a solution because you cannot compromise so for us you are a lost cause a racist hardliner who is the modern day version of those who buried TC at Murataga, packaging maybe different but the same hate and superiority complex is still very evident for all to see.

[Viewpoint]

I guess the real reason why AKEL eventually failed to unite even the left leaning Cypriots was because Akel supported the megali idea (ENOSIS) from the early 40s...That turned all but the handful of ideologically most driven TCs towards the arms of the Turkish nationalists....

Your compassionate misjudgement of the TCs as a group lacking in possession of anything more than a few collective neurons, is wearisome as a cogent excuse for rallying special treatment for this ethnic shortcoming.

Personally as a bohemian supporter of the Megali Idea (re. Constantinople) purely for intellectual titillation, yet a staunch opposer of the belated, historical (now insignificant due to EU) Enosis dream ..... I think you have your ideological-terminology unorthodoxly mixed up.

Besides your tricky attempts to excuse TCs today of personal initiative & responsibility because of such outdated ideas, is as transparent and ineffective as David Cameron embarking on a policy of discrediting Gordon Brown for the Labour Left Nationalisation programmes of the 50's and 60's Great Britain, and Communist leanings, as endangering the present-day UK public of becoming puppets of Putin; whilst ignoring the positive changes made in the 80's and 90's to yield "New Labour".

Move into the 21st Century Bir and do us all a favour.
It's not hip nor trendy to demand special treatment for a group of people which you have labelled us unable to meet the demands of modern society ... Let's see some national emancipation from your people .....

Your claim to have changed and moved forward into the 21st century is not backed up by what you have been posting your racist and crude remarks only display your lack of vision and understanding of anything Turkish or the TC viewpoint, we cannot possibly come to any agreement with people of your mentality and shit stirring antics...you are the problem and as longs as you and people like you continue to be tunneled visioned the status quo will continue.

Sorry VP ... I always advocate treating the Turk-TCs as mature respectable, responsible individuals ... who are quite capable of practicing Democracy, given the chance!

What is wrong with that?

You have me mixed up with BirKibrisli ... he is the one who thinks they are lacking in abilities ....

Take your argument about racism up with BirKibrisli ... he does you a grave injustice with his patronising views.

Bury your head in the sand all you wish but the reality is still out there, as your views are racist and very very one sided, you will never find a solution because you cannot compromise so for us you are a lost cause a racist hardliner who is the modern day version of those who buried TCs at Murataga, packaging maybe different but the same hate and superiority complex is still very evident for all to see.

[Oracle]

VP ... how much self-delusion are you aware of?

Seriously just admit you have no intention of giving up anything you illegally possess and all your words are merely to justify that, and like your other crimes, they do not have to take into consideration an ounce of truth or substance.

Join BirKibrisli in perpetuating the myth of the socially inept and civilization-handicapped Turk for all I care. But don't attribute those symptoms as being mere words of mine.

One day you are going to have to face up to the reality of your crimes and what are you going to do then, call the whole world racist?