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[Oracle]

Great! .... a load of Brits proclaiming they feel safe in the north....

Well how about that?

I guess the Turks are right when they say they only want to racially ethnically cleanse the north of Greek Cypriots ...

Hey ... it's so simple.

Brits "safe" in north ... Greek Cypriots ... dead meat! In their own blooming country. There's justice for you.

Well thanks very much !

[CopperLine]

I live and work mostly in the north and travel a great deal outside Cyprus. I've lived/worked in many divided societies and Cyprus by any stretch of the imagination is the least violent divided society in the world. It is a fraction as violent as most so-called integrated societies.

I have always felt that crossing the green line has been somewhat absurd. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred the border/immigration officials on either side are fine, mostly bored out of their heads.

The visibility and presence of the Turkish army in the north is, again, a fraction of other so-called divided or occupied societies and certainly nothing as visible as the British army in Northern Ireland during the 'Troubles'. So comaparatively speaking Turkish army presence is relatively discrete, even if my own view is that the island should be completely demilitarised and at minimum all foreign militaries be withdrawn.

Those who have land or other property that has been expropriated will, I think, naturally feel uneasy about visiting their 'lost/stolen property', but I do not think that generally speaking that they should feel to be in personal danger. In fact there are many stories - though this is by no means comprehensive - of shared sense of trauma between past expelled and current residents.

I would conclude simply that it is safe, though I do not diminish the emotional and possibly political reluctance to do so.

[webbo]

Thanks O.

Sorry, I meant to add:

To Umit.

My daughter was looking over my shoulder the other night. She saw your avatar on one of your posts and went upstairs and brought down a soft toy of Kenny from South Park that I had given her a few years ago and it now sits on my desk as I type, as a reminder that there is at least one member of the northern community (and I am sure there are many others) who is really soft and cuddly and who I don't fear.

What a lovely sentiment bill
Where is Mrs BillC please? We like her posts too!

Bubbles x

Hi Webbo - I am trying to convince Mrs C to join the forum in her own right.

Webbo says that I should do that too, to avoid confusion


BUBBLES X

[webbo]

[quote="Oracle"]Great! .... a load of Brits proclaiming they feel safe in the north....

Just saying it as I see/feel it SISTER. An honest account of my trips North!

[Oracle]

So the shoot-to-kill tactics practiced on native civilians for daring to touch a Turkish flag have had the desired psychologically oppressive effect.

Is it safety that is eminent or totalitarian oppression?

Any society based on the removal of one race, and the establishment of an army of 40,000 to keep them out, is not "peaceful" and safe by any stretch of the imagination ... if you happen to be the persecuted race.

But that has to be OK right? ...... because it is only the Greek Cypriots that are excluded from this "ideal" society you praise.

Get a grip! ... there is praise and there is sheer desperate stupidity to justify an act of ethnic cleansing beyond compare!

[umit07]

Thanks O.

Sorry, I meant to add:

To Umit.

My daughter was looking over my shoulder the other night. She saw your avatar on one of your posts and went upstairs and brought down a soft toy of Kenny from South Park that I had given her a few years ago and it now sits on my desk as I type, as a reminder that there is at least one member of the northern community (and I am sure there are many others) who is really soft and cuddly and who I don't fear.

Bill C. Kenny will be watching you . Well the soft and cuddly bit is true for I have put on something like 10 kg this winter! Summer has come so I better start exercising once again since cutting on the food is near impossible for me. If you ever need any protection around any part of Cyprus get in touch ! Hope I see you over here in the summer.

[umit07]

To Humanist, I would say that on my two visits to the Occupied North, I too didn't feel terribly comfortable, and yes, didn't sense danger. Our northern brothers spoke to me and they were ok in the occupied villages but too many police, army camps and army convoys on the roads and many statues of that Ataturk chap everywhere - even in the school playgrounds. This was very alien to me. Often uncomfortable.

To O. I would say and I know it's getting late but when you have time, can you fill in us less enlightened and less important members and worshippers at your tripod re: the influence of the long hand of the dark state in to the Free Areas please.

bill ... I'll PM you tomorrow .... off to bed now.

Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the TMT or Grey wolves bite ....

Oracle I urge you to remember what you said to me when I said I would PM Halil .

I think it was something along the lines of being a Turk with no manners. I guess it's something that rubbed off the Greeks.

[roseandchan]

i can only tell it how it is.

[halil]

To Humanist, I would say that on my two visits to the Occupied North, I too didn't feel terribly comfortable, and yes, didn't sense danger. Our northern brothers spoke to me and they were ok in the occupied villages but too many police, army camps and army convoys on the roads and many statues of that Ataturk chap everywhere - even in the school playgrounds. This was very alien to me. Often uncomfortable.

To O. I would say and I know it's getting late but when you have time, can you fill in us less enlightened and less important members and worshippers at your tripod re: the influence of the long hand of the dark state in to the Free Areas please.

bill ... I'll PM you tomorrow .... off to bed now.

Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the TMT or Grey wolves bite ....

Oracle I urge you to remember what you said to me when I said I would PM Halil .

I think it was something along the lines of being a Turk with no manners. I guess it's something that rubbed off the Greeks.

Umit ,
what's happened for your traning ,
have u done your application .

[GAVCARoCOM]

humanist really dissapointed me. whats happen that he changed i cant understand even he doesnt live in cyprus . humanity isnt it . Turkish Republic of Cyprus is very safe for all visitors from around the world as long as you are not trying to do illegal things and welcome to who respect our people , our choosen president and respect that we have our own goverment .