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[boomerang]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Sending the Turkish Army home.

Put that down to one your benefits out of this deal. Those lazy uneducated mujahedin slobs will not be missed by a great many TC's.

So getting rid of our protection is a benefit for TCs? Your twisted logic is once again revealed, you will say and do anything to not accept anything we put forward then why the hell are you here?

I had in mind a civilised discussion with you but the 1 brain cell you're borrowing today got you name-calling before i had a chance to respond in the way i'd like to..

Do you read what you write is gives me the impression you haven't even got that 1 brain cell loosen up man we are human being to all we want to do is live our lives without the risk of GC dominance and persecution, you embody all that we fear a Gc gone crazy who has no problem pulling the trigger to a babies head as long as that baby is TC.

it looks like no brain cells for you today....you reached the limit of 2 per day...

[Get Real!]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Well...here is what I think the average TC believes the compromises are,DT...

1.We have already made the ultimate compromise;left our place of birth,became refugees in our own country...Some of us paid even a greater price by becoming migrants in foreign lands...Why should we get up and move again to accomodate those who caused us all this trouble.

2.We now have Turkey's protection and our right to life is guaranteed...
By agreeing to a BBF we will agree to the withdrawal of the Turkish soldiers...This might put us to the ultimate risk of losing our lives should the GCs decide to implement Akritas version2...

3...We are our own masters...We have close ties with our motherland and have our own state...agreeing to a Federation or Worse,a Unitary state, would mean betraying the state our ancestors have shed their bloods to built...

4.Our motherland has shed blood to give us this freedom...She has been feeding us for the past 44 years,through thick and thin...The least we can do is show some gratitude and refuse to do anything with our sworn enemy,and the enemy of our nation...

5.We refuse to believe that the GCs have given up on the idea of Enosis...They had many years to remove the Greek flags,the Greek national anthem,and curb the political power of the Church...They have done none of this..Their past President are on the record for praising the efforts of the GCs to fly the Hellenic flag in Cyprus...As soon as Turkey turns her back they will try to oppress and dominate us,turn us into GCs by force...

6. A TCs friend can only be another TC or a Turk...So why should we want to have to do anything with those who want to drink our blood..


I can go an and on,but i think you get the drift,DT...and don't blame me,i am only the medium...

And here’s what the GCs are starting to think…

“We are so sick and tired of getting screwed around by a bunch of uninvited criminal Turkish gypsies that war seems the only viable option because at the very least we know that THEY won’t be around after that regardless of our losses… end of Cyprus problem!“

Get the drift? Btw, don’t blame me I’m just the medium…

[DT.]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Well...here is what I think the average TC believes the compromises are,DT...

1.We have already made the ultimate compromise;left our place of birth,became refugees in our own country...Some of us paid even a greater price by becoming migrants in foreign lands...Why should we get up and move again to accomodate those who caused us all this trouble.

2.We now have Turkey's protection and our right to life is guaranteed...
By agreeing to a BBF we will agree to the withdrawal of the Turkish soldiers...This might put us to the ultimate risk of losing our lives should the GCs decide to implement Akritas version2...EMOTIONAL

3...We are our own masters...We have close ties with our motherland and have our own state...agreeing to a Federation or Worse,a Unitary state, would mean betraying the state our ancestors have shed their bloods to built...EMOTIONAL tHEY'D BE GAINING EQUAL SHARE OF AN EU MEMBER GOVT INSTEAD OF 100% OF A PARIAH STATE
4.Our motherland has shed blood to give us this freedom...She has been feeding us for the past 44 years,through thick and thin...The least we can do is show some gratitude and refuse to do anything with our sworn enemy,and the enemy of our nation...EMOTIONAL

5.We refuse to believe that the GCs have given up on the idea of Enosis...They had many years to remove the Greek flags,the Greek national anthem,and curb the political power of the Church...They have done none of this..Their past President are on the record for praising the efforts of the GCs to fly the Hellenic flag in Cyprus...As soon as Turkey turns her back they will try to oppress and dominate us,turn us into GCs by force...EMOTIONAL

6. A TCs friend can only be another TC or a Turk...So why should we want to have to do anything with those who want to drink our blood..EMOTIONAL


I can go an and on,but i think you get the drift,DT...and don't blame me,i am only the medium...

Thanks Bir,

do you see the difference between the concessions the GC's are forced to make and what you just listed?

With the exception of No1 which is a little twisted (why should i give that persons house back?) the rest are basically emotional concessions. Whereas the GC concessions are ectremely real and practical.

1)Equal share of govt with 18% of the population PRACTICAL
2) share of recognised EU member government with the people that betrayed us in 74. After all that hard work for accession we now reward the TC's who've been living in our homes for the past 30 years with EU citizenship and who haven't lifted a finger (or paid any tax) to get us here.
3) Settlers in our country PRACTICAL
4) No right to settle freely (Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
5) No right to vote freely in place of residence(Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
6) Turkey's involvement in our government PRACTICAL
7) Turkish gaurantees over the island PRACTICAL
Turkish rights of exploitation of Cyprus's continental shelf PRACTICAL


I can go on and add on the reverse of the concessions you've just listed Bir. It seems to me that our probems are not the same. The Tc's can get over their concesisons in an agreed solution with the help of phsyciatric therapy. The GC's will need an expensive law firm, since we'll be spending most of our time in the supreme court trying to gain some of our lost human rights.

[DT.]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Sending the Turkish Army home.

Put that down to one your benefits out of this deal. Those lazy uneducated mujahedin slobs will not be missed by a great many TC's.

So getting rid of our protection is a benefit for TCs? Your twisted logic is once again revealed, you will say and do anything to not accept anything we put forward then why the hell are you here?

I had in mind a civilised discussion with you but the 1 brain cell you're borrowing today got you name-calling before i had a chance to respond in the way i'd like to..

Do you read what you write is gives me the impression you haven't even got that 1 brain cell loosen up man we are human being to all we want to do is live our lives without the risk of GC dominance and persecution, you embody all that we fear a Gc gone crazy who has no problem pulling the trigger to a babies head as long as that baby is TC.

you calling me a baby killer now? You been smoking crack again? You know, when everyone stopped taking you seriously on this forum, I still had a few doubts. I was wrong, you've diluted to a sickening level every tragedy thats ever fallen upon the poor saps that live on this island before us. WHats more you're broadcasting to the people that have had the most recent and biggest disaster fall upon them in 74 with the attitude of Goebbels telling the Jews that the reason they are being gassed is because 2 Jews ordered the death of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago.

Get over yourself, TC's killed just as may if not more GC's in the 60's and your troops massacred us in 74. I'd keep my trap shut if i were you in case this whole thing ends and some of your relatives get dragged over to the Hague.

[Viewpoint]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Sending the Turkish Army home.

Put that down to one your benefits out of this deal. Those lazy uneducated mujahedin slobs will not be missed by a great many TC's.

So getting rid of our protection is a benefit for TCs? Your twisted logic is once again revealed, you will say and do anything to not accept anything we put forward then why the hell are you here?

I had in mind a civilised discussion with you but the 1 brain cell you're borrowing today got you name-calling before i had a chance to respond in the way i'd like to..

Do you read what you write is gives me the impression you haven't even got that 1 brain cell loosen up man we are human being to all we want to do is live our lives without the risk of GC dominance and persecution, you embody all that we fear a Gc gone crazy who has no problem pulling the trigger to a babies head as long as that baby is TC.

you calling me a baby killer now? You been smoking crack again? You know, when everyone stopped taking you seriously on this forum, I still had a few doubts. I was wrong, you've diluted to a sickening level every tragedy thats ever fallen upon the poor saps that live on this island before us. WHats more you're broadcasting to the people that have had the most recent and biggest disaster fall upon them in 74 with the attitude of Goebbels telling the Jews that the reason they are being gassed is because 2 Jews ordered the death of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago.

Get over yourself, TC's killed just as may if not more GC's in the 60's and your troops massacred us in 74. I'd keep my trap shut if i were you in case this whole thing ends and some of your relatives get dragged over to the Hague.

The killing a baby example is purely to hammer home the severity of how you come across, you are the modern day version equivalent of those that carried out such atrocities thank god for the Turkish Army.

[BirKibrisli]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Well...here is what I think the average TC believes the compromises are,DT...

1.We have already made the ultimate compromise;left our place of birth,became refugees in our own country...Some of us paid even a greater price by becoming migrants in foreign lands...Why should we get up and move again to accomodate those who caused us all this trouble.

2.We now have Turkey's protection and our right to life is guaranteed...
By agreeing to a BBF we will agree to the withdrawal of the Turkish soldiers...This might put us to the ultimate risk of losing our lives should the GCs decide to implement Akritas version2...EMOTIONAL

3...We are our own masters...We have close ties with our motherland and have our own state...agreeing to a Federation or Worse,a Unitary state, would mean betraying the state our ancestors have shed their bloods to built...EMOTIONAL tHEY'D BE GAINING EQUAL SHARE OF AN EU MEMBER GOVT INSTEAD OF 100% OF A PARIAH STATE
4.Our motherland has shed blood to give us this freedom...She has been feeding us for the past 44 years,through thick and thin...The least we can do is show some gratitude and refuse to do anything with our sworn enemy,and the enemy of our nation...EMOTIONAL

5.We refuse to believe that the GCs have given up on the idea of Enosis...They had many years to remove the Greek flags,the Greek national anthem,and curb the political power of the Church...They have done none of this..Their past President are on the record for praising the efforts of the GCs to fly the Hellenic flag in Cyprus...As soon as Turkey turns her back they will try to oppress and dominate us,turn us into GCs by force...EMOTIONAL

6. A TCs friend can only be another TC or a Turk...So why should we want to have to do anything with those who want to drink our blood..EMOTIONAL


I can go an and on,but i think you get the drift,DT...and don't blame me,i am only the medium...

Thanks Bir,

do you see the difference between the concessions the GC's are forced to make and what you just listed?

With the exception of No1 which is a little twisted (why should i give that persons house back?) the rest are basically emotional concessions. Whereas the GC concessions are ectremely real and practical.

1)Equal share of govt with 18% of the population PRACTICAL
2) share of recognised EU member government with the people that betrayed us in 74. After all that hard work for accession we now reward the TC's who've been living in our homes for the past 30 years with EU citizenship and who haven't lifted a finger (or paid any tax) to get us here.
3) Settlers in our country PRACTICAL
4) No right to settle freely (Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
5) No right to vote freely in place of residence(Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
6) Turkey's involvement in our government PRACTICAL
7) Turkish gaurantees over the island PRACTICAL
Turkish rights of exploitation of Cyprus's continental shelf PRACTICAL


I can go on and add on the reverse of the concessions you've just listed Bir. It seems to me that our probems are not the same. The Tc's can get over their concesisons in an agreed solution with the help of phsyciatric therapy. The GC's will need an expensive law firm, since we'll be spending most of our time in the supreme court trying to gain some of our lost human rights.

Yep...There isn't much in your post I can argue against,DT...
But remember that emotional memory is far more entrenched and attitude-deciding than any practical consideration...This is the essence of our problem...I can look at it from the TC angle and understand perfectly why they feel the way they do...And I can look at it from the GC angle and understand perfectly why they think the way they do...My position is really very frustrating,and I am afraid I am taking it out on GR and Oracle...But they are asking for it....

[DT.]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Sending the Turkish Army home.

Put that down to one your benefits out of this deal. Those lazy uneducated mujahedin slobs will not be missed by a great many TC's.

So getting rid of our protection is a benefit for TCs? Your twisted logic is once again revealed, you will say and do anything to not accept anything we put forward then why the hell are you here?

I had in mind a civilised discussion with you but the 1 brain cell you're borrowing today got you name-calling before i had a chance to respond in the way i'd like to..

Do you read what you write is gives me the impression you haven't even got that 1 brain cell loosen up man we are human being to all we want to do is live our lives without the risk of GC dominance and persecution, you embody all that we fear a Gc gone crazy who has no problem pulling the trigger to a babies head as long as that baby is TC.

you calling me a baby killer now? You been smoking crack again? You know, when everyone stopped taking you seriously on this forum, I still had a few doubts. I was wrong, you've diluted to a sickening level every tragedy thats ever fallen upon the poor saps that live on this island before us. WHats more you're broadcasting to the people that have had the most recent and biggest disaster fall upon them in 74 with the attitude of Goebbels telling the Jews that the reason they are being gassed is because 2 Jews ordered the death of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago.

Get over yourself, TC's killed just as may if not more GC's in the 60's and your troops massacred us in 74. I'd keep my trap shut if i were you in case this whole thing ends and some of your relatives get dragged over to the Hague.

The killing a baby example is the severity of how you come across, you are the modern day version equivalent of those that carried out such atrocities thank god for the Turkish Army.

A bit like beting an old man in a TC jail to death by breakng 11 of his ribs till he couldn't breath anymore? The kindness of the TC administration to GC's behind closed doors? Not in 63....try 2008.

[DT.]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Well...here is what I think the average TC believes the compromises are,DT...

1.We have already made the ultimate compromise;left our place of birth,became refugees in our own country...Some of us paid even a greater price by becoming migrants in foreign lands...Why should we get up and move again to accomodate those who caused us all this trouble.

2.We now have Turkey's protection and our right to life is guaranteed...
By agreeing to a BBF we will agree to the withdrawal of the Turkish soldiers...This might put us to the ultimate risk of losing our lives should the GCs decide to implement Akritas version2...EMOTIONAL

3...We are our own masters...We have close ties with our motherland and have our own state...agreeing to a Federation or Worse,a Unitary state, would mean betraying the state our ancestors have shed their bloods to built...EMOTIONAL tHEY'D BE GAINING EQUAL SHARE OF AN EU MEMBER GOVT INSTEAD OF 100% OF A PARIAH STATE
4.Our motherland has shed blood to give us this freedom...She has been feeding us for the past 44 years,through thick and thin...The least we can do is show some gratitude and refuse to do anything with our sworn enemy,and the enemy of our nation...EMOTIONAL

5.We refuse to believe that the GCs have given up on the idea of Enosis...They had many years to remove the Greek flags,the Greek national anthem,and curb the political power of the Church...They have done none of this..Their past President are on the record for praising the efforts of the GCs to fly the Hellenic flag in Cyprus...As soon as Turkey turns her back they will try to oppress and dominate us,turn us into GCs by force...EMOTIONAL

6. A TCs friend can only be another TC or a Turk...So why should we want to have to do anything with those who want to drink our blood..EMOTIONAL


I can go an and on,but i think you get the drift,DT...and don't blame me,i am only the medium...

Thanks Bir,

do you see the difference between the concessions the GC's are forced to make and what you just listed?

With the exception of No1 which is a little twisted (why should i give that persons house back?) the rest are basically emotional concessions. Whereas the GC concessions are ectremely real and practical.

1)Equal share of govt with 18% of the population PRACTICAL
2) share of recognised EU member government with the people that betrayed us in 74. After all that hard work for accession we now reward the TC's who've been living in our homes for the past 30 years with EU citizenship and who haven't lifted a finger (or paid any tax) to get us here.
3) Settlers in our country PRACTICAL
4) No right to settle freely (Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
5) No right to vote freely in place of residence(Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
6) Turkey's involvement in our government PRACTICAL
7) Turkish gaurantees over the island PRACTICAL
Turkish rights of exploitation of Cyprus's continental shelf PRACTICAL


I can go on and add on the reverse of the concessions you've just listed Bir. It seems to me that our probems are not the same. The Tc's can get over their concesisons in an agreed solution with the help of phsyciatric therapy. The GC's will need an expensive law firm, since we'll be spending most of our time in the supreme court trying to gain some of our lost human rights.

Yep...There isn't much in your post I can argue against,DT...
But remember that emotional memory is far more entrenched and attitude-deciding than any practical consideration...This is the essence of our problem...I can look at it from the TC angle and understand perfectly why they feel the way they do...And I can look at it from the GC angle and understand perfectly why they think the way they do...My position is really very frustrating,and I am afraid I am taking it out on GR and Oracle...But they are asking for it....

you've been cursed Bir.

[BirKibrisli]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Well...here is what I think the average TC believes the compromises are,DT...

1.We have already made the ultimate compromise;left our place of birth,became refugees in our own country...Some of us paid even a greater price by becoming migrants in foreign lands...Why should we get up and move again to accomodate those who caused us all this trouble.

2.We now have Turkey's protection and our right to life is guaranteed...
By agreeing to a BBF we will agree to the withdrawal of the Turkish soldiers...This might put us to the ultimate risk of losing our lives should the GCs decide to implement Akritas version2...EMOTIONAL

3...We are our own masters...We have close ties with our motherland and have our own state...agreeing to a Federation or Worse,a Unitary state, would mean betraying the state our ancestors have shed their bloods to built...EMOTIONAL tHEY'D BE GAINING EQUAL SHARE OF AN EU MEMBER GOVT INSTEAD OF 100% OF A PARIAH STATE
4.Our motherland has shed blood to give us this freedom...She has been feeding us for the past 44 years,through thick and thin...The least we can do is show some gratitude and refuse to do anything with our sworn enemy,and the enemy of our nation...EMOTIONAL

5.We refuse to believe that the GCs have given up on the idea of Enosis...They had many years to remove the Greek flags,the Greek national anthem,and curb the political power of the Church...They have done none of this..Their past President are on the record for praising the efforts of the GCs to fly the Hellenic flag in Cyprus...As soon as Turkey turns her back they will try to oppress and dominate us,turn us into GCs by force...EMOTIONAL

6. A TCs friend can only be another TC or a Turk...So why should we want to have to do anything with those who want to drink our blood..EMOTIONAL


I can go an and on,but i think you get the drift,DT...and don't blame me,i am only the medium...

Thanks Bir,

do you see the difference between the concessions the GC's are forced to make and what you just listed?

With the exception of No1 which is a little twisted (why should i give that persons house back?) the rest are basically emotional concessions. Whereas the GC concessions are ectremely real and practical.

1)Equal share of govt with 18% of the population PRACTICAL
2) share of recognised EU member government with the people that betrayed us in 74. After all that hard work for accession we now reward the TC's who've been living in our homes for the past 30 years with EU citizenship and who haven't lifted a finger (or paid any tax) to get us here.
3) Settlers in our country PRACTICAL
4) No right to settle freely (Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
5) No right to vote freely in place of residence(Primary EU Law) PRACTICAL
6) Turkey's involvement in our government PRACTICAL
7) Turkish gaurantees over the island PRACTICAL
Turkish rights of exploitation of Cyprus's continental shelf PRACTICAL


I can go on and add on the reverse of the concessions you've just listed Bir. It seems to me that our probems are not the same. The Tc's can get over their concesisons in an agreed solution with the help of phsyciatric therapy. The GC's will need an expensive law firm, since we'll be spending most of our time in the supreme court trying to gain some of our lost human rights.

Yep...There isn't much in your post I can argue against,DT...
But remember that emotional memory is far more entrenched and attitude-deciding than any practical consideration...This is the essence of our problem...I can look at it from the TC angle and understand perfectly why they feel the way they do...And I can look at it from the GC angle and understand perfectly why they think the way they do...My position is really very frustrating,and I am afraid I am taking it out on GR and Oracle...But they are asking for it....

you've been cursed Bir.

[Viewpoint]

Hang on people, cause I keep asking this and i'm not getting any answers. I know perfectly well what we as the numerical majority are forced to compromise on in a BBF. WHat exactly are the compromises made by the TC's?

Sending the Turkish Army home.

Put that down to one your benefits out of this deal. Those lazy uneducated mujahedin slobs will not be missed by a great many TC's.

So getting rid of our protection is a benefit for TCs? Your twisted logic is once again revealed, you will say and do anything to not accept anything we put forward then why the hell are you here?

I had in mind a civilised discussion with you but the 1 brain cell you're borrowing today got you name-calling before i had a chance to respond in the way i'd like to..

Do you read what you write is gives me the impression you haven't even got that 1 brain cell loosen up man we are human being to all we want to do is live our lives without the risk of GC dominance and persecution, you embody all that we fear a Gc gone crazy who has no problem pulling the trigger to a babies head as long as that baby is TC.

you calling me a baby killer now? You been smoking crack again? You know, when everyone stopped taking you seriously on this forum, I still had a few doubts. I was wrong, you've diluted to a sickening level every tragedy thats ever fallen upon the poor saps that live on this island before us. WHats more you're broadcasting to the people that have had the most recent and biggest disaster fall upon them in 74 with the attitude of Goebbels telling the Jews that the reason they are being gassed is because 2 Jews ordered the death of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago.

Get over yourself, TC's killed just as may if not more GC's in the 60's and your troops massacred us in 74. I'd keep my trap shut if i were you in case this whole thing ends and some of your relatives get dragged over to the Hague.

The killing a baby example is the severity of how you come across, you are the modern day version equivalent of those that carried out such atrocities thank god for the Turkish Army.

A bit like beting an old man in a TC jail to death by breakng 11 of his ribs till he couldn't breath anymore? The kindness of the TC administration to GC's behind closed doors? Not in 63....try 2008.

Where he suffered those injuries is still questionable but I will not excuse it, the act is dispicable and those that carried out this vile act should be held accountable can you say the same if the tables were reversed?