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[BirKibrisli]

Now GR and/or Oracle have/has no excuse for not knowing some relevant historial facts about our long road to this tragedy...If they still continue with the blanket vilification of all TCs then they will prove themselves to be racist bigots who are out to prevent any possible goodwill and rapprochement...

DEAD WRONG!

We have discussed the events of the last century plenty of times, and in plenty of threads, and in a million ways, but this particular thread has NOTHING to do with past events but the CURRENT Turkish Cypriot crimes for which so far you are washing your hands clean!

Your attitude is nothing short of disgraceful and contributory to the Cyprus problem.

And yours is contributing to the solution?????

My gripe represents that of hundreds of thousands of Greek Cypriots UTTERLY DISGUSTED by this Turkish Cypriot charade that you are clearly supporting and encouraging.

And my gripe represents just mine...I do not want to see the TCs disappear from the face of the earth,via assimilation with the people of Turkey....This is what will happen in another 25 years if the status quo continues...I am sorry for the pain and suffering of those hundreds of thousands of GCs,but at least you are not at the risk of total culture and identity loss...The TCs are...

If you GENUINELY want to save the Turkish Cypriot people/identity from extinction and/or any other hardship then teach them to live by the RULE of LAW…

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm4.htm

...so that they may always be loved and respected, but do not hide their wrongs thinking that you are saving them. This is no different to how we should treat our children... fair & square.

The quote below is from the usinfo site you have given above:

All democracies are systems in which citizens freely make political decisions by majority rule. But rule by the majority is not necessarily democratic: No one, for example, would call a system fair or just that permitted 51 percent of the population to oppress the remaining 49 percent in the name of the majority. In a democratic society, majority rule must be coupled with guarantees of individual human rights that, in turn, serve to protect the rights of minorities--whether ethnic, religious, or political, or simply the losers in the debate over a piece of controversial legislation. The rights of minorities do not depend upon the goodwill of the majority and cannot be eliminated by majority vote. The rights of minorities are protected because democratic laws and institutions protect the rights of all citizens.

When you satisfy me that there exist government instrumentalities in the RoC that can effectively guarantee individual human rights and equal opportunity,we can talk about the Rule of Law,GR...Fair enough???

[CopperLine]

Rule 5 from Get Real's recommended site on good writing :

Make your point in the first paragraph. Let your readers get the ton of staff from the very beginning.

What would a 'ton of staff' be, Get Real ?

[Get Real!]

Rule 5 from Get Real's recommended site on good writing :

Make your point in the first paragraph. Let your readers get the ton of staff from the very beginning.

What would a 'ton of staff' be, Get Real ?

Surely a man of your "caliber" could've come up with something more interesting to comment on from this thread than the wishy-washy sarcastic link I threw at VP... have another go Copperline, but this time ON-TOPIC please!

[BirKibrisli]

Rule 5 from Get Real's recommended site on good writing :

Make your point in the first paragraph. Let your readers get the ton of staff from the very beginning.

What would a 'ton of staff' be, Get Real ?

About 2240 pounds or 1016 kilograms??????

[CopperLine]

Rule 5 from Get Real's recommended site on good writing :

Make your point in the first paragraph. Let your readers get the ton of staff from the very beginning.

What would a 'ton of staff' be, Get Real ?

Surely a man of your "caliber" could've come up with something more interesting to comment on from this thread than the wishy-washy sarcastic link I threw at VP... have another go Copperline, but this time ON-TOPIC please!

Fair cop, Get Real. How about a question to you then : In this last post, were you acquitting yourself of responsibility to the English language ?

[Get Real!]

Now GR and/or Oracle have/has no excuse for not knowing some relevant historial facts about our long road to this tragedy...If they still continue with the blanket vilification of all TCs then they will prove themselves to be racist bigots who are out to prevent any possible goodwill and rapprochement...

DEAD WRONG!

We have discussed the events of the last century plenty of times, and in plenty of threads, and in a million ways, but this particular thread has NOTHING to do with past events but the CURRENT Turkish Cypriot crimes for which so far you are washing your hands clean!

Your attitude is nothing short of disgraceful and contributory to the Cyprus problem.

And yours is contributing to the solution?????

My gripe represents that of hundreds of thousands of Greek Cypriots UTTERLY DISGUSTED by this Turkish Cypriot charade that you are clearly supporting and encouraging.

And my gripe represents just mine...I do not want to see the TCs disappear from the face of the earth,via assimilation with the people of Turkey....This is what will happen in another 25 years if the status quo continues...I am sorry for the pain and suffering of those hundreds of thousands of GCs,but at least you are not at the risk of total culture and identity loss...The TCs are...

If you GENUINELY want to save the Turkish Cypriot people/identity from extinction and/or any other hardship then teach them to live by the RULE of LAW…

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm4.htm

...so that they may always be loved and respected, but do not hide their wrongs thinking that you are saving them. This is no different to how we should treat our children... fair & square.

The quote below is from the usinfo site you have given above:

All democracies are systems in which citizens freely make political decisions by majority rule. But rule by the majority is not necessarily democratic: No one, for example, would call a system fair or just that permitted 51 percent of the population to oppress the remaining 49 percent in the name of the majority. In a democratic society, majority rule must be coupled with guarantees of individual human rights that, in turn, serve to protect the rights of minorities--whether ethnic, religious, or political, or simply the losers in the debate over a piece of controversial legislation. The rights of minorities do not depend upon the goodwill of the majority and cannot be eliminated by majority vote. The rights of minorities are protected because democratic laws and institutions protect the rights of all citizens.

When you satisfy me that there exist government instrumentalities in the RoC that can effectively guarantee individual human rights and equal opportunity,we can talk about the Rule of Law,GR...Fair enough???

We are getting away from the subject…”The Turkish Cypriot acquittal of responsibility” …by your switching to “Minority protections in a democracy” …which I am happy to investigate in relation to the RoC, in a dedicated thread which I agree it deserves. Thanks.

[Oracle]

DT, as far as i can see he analised Cyprob.well and we can find tips from him what will be present talks will be at future talks . this is my opinion

here is the link
http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/esc/esc-lectur ... indsay.pdf

information about writer


Dr James Ker-Lindsay is Director of Civilitas Research and an associate fellow of the
European Security Programme at the London-based Royal United
Services Institute for
Defence and Security Studies (RUSI). His publications include EU Accession and UN
Peacemaking in Cyprus, (Palgrave Macmillan, 2005), Britain and the Cyprus Crisis, 1963-64
(Bibliopolis, University of Mannheim, 2004) and The Work of the United Nations in Cyprus
(Palgrave Macmillan, 2001). He holds a BSc (econ.) from London University and an MA and
PhD in International Conflict Analysis from the University of Kent.

http://www.humansecuritygateway.com/sho ... rdId=17818

Thanks,halil gardash...
Now GR and/or Oracle have/has no excuse for not knowing some relevant
historial facts about our long road to this tragedy...If they still continue with the blanket vilification of all TCs then they will prove themselves to be racist bigots who are out to prevent any possible goodwill and rapprochement...

Providing a link to garbage does not enlighten. You exemplify the Turk by Stealth just as halil exemplifies the Turk by Propaganda.

At least we try and address crimes you commit against us now, which are acknowledged, now, by the whole world ... by all, except the fantasist Turks.

You have used every trick to avoid the inevitable recognition of your crimes, because otherwise you may have to face the harsh reality.

That you are nothing but the continuation of the barbaric lawless Ottoman savages.

Thank you,Oracle...I did have a problem with my sense of identity...Now I know what I am...
I will let others decide what civilisation you are the continuation of...

Yes be ashamed to provide the answer yourself. Because it is the very stuff of that which you envy. And like all good copy cats you want to remove the evidence of your lack of originality.

I am a continuation of a civilisation which for hundreds of years you have enslaved, abused and attempted to annihilate. I am from a civilisation that has held on through common sense to survive the brute force of many invaders who wanted what we had, but to enslave us on top, or remove us all together. Yes I am from a civilization that has survived despite unimaginable horrors from incredible numbers of invaders.

And we have done all this without resorting to copying the most vile act of all, which is to steal the land of others and claim it as our own. And offering nothing in return but savagery.

Yes Bir ... the stuff you envy! The stuff of your fantasies that you wish to emulate and attribute to yourselves. But first remove the evidence!

[Get Real!]

Rule 5 from Get Real's recommended site on good writing :

Make your point in the first paragraph. Let your readers get the ton of staff from the very beginning.

What would a 'ton of staff' be, Get Real ?

Surely a man of your "caliber" could've come up with something more interesting to comment on from this thread than the wishy-washy sarcastic link I threw at VP... have another go Copperline, but this time ON-TOPIC please!

Fair cop, Get Real. How about a question to you then : In this last post, were you acquitting yourself of responsibility to the English language ?

You must've missed this...

"... have another go Copperline, but this time ON-TOPIC please!"

[Piratis]

All democracies are systems in which citizens freely make political decisions by majority rule. But rule by the majority is not necessarily democratic: No one, for example, would call a system fair or just that permitted 51 percent of the population to oppress the remaining 49 percent in the name of the majority. In a democratic society, majority rule must be coupled with guarantees of individual human rights that, in turn, serve to protect the rights of minorities--whether ethnic, religious, or political, or simply the losers in the debate over a piece of controversial legislation. The rights of minorities do not depend upon the goodwill of the majority and cannot be eliminated by majority vote. The rights of minorities are protected because democratic laws and institutions protect the rights of all citizens.

When you satisfy me that there exist government instrumentalities in the RoC that can effectively guarantee individual human rights and equal opportunity,we can talk about the Rule of Law,GR...Fair enough???

Bir, the TC are not the only minority in Cyprus. Other Cypriots belong to smaller, and therefore less powerful minorities, and they have absolutely no complaints. I am not saying that RoC is perfect and that it can not be improved. It can and it should. But it is definitely not any worst than most other EU countries, and it is definitely better than Turkey. So if you want to discuss on how to make democracy even better in Cyprus I am with you 100%. But some of your arguments here point to the opposide: To make democracy worst, actually totally dissolve it, and legalize human rights violations. How can such things be a step forward??

But I want to use your quote above to say somehting on a different subject but related. What you quoted above shows very correctly that no majority has the right to violate the human rights of any minority. This is something that protects not only ethnic minorities, but any minority which might fall victim of such violation. For example if say a proposal for the "solution" of the Cyprus problem includes violations of human rights, then such proposal would be undemocratic regardless of how many people vote for it, since no majority can decide that the human rights of others can be violated. Do you agree with this?

[Get Real!]

Those who live by the words, Get Real, shall die by the words (so said
the dyslexic.

After having berated Halil for his English language competence you use a title for a thread which not only mangles the English language but insodoing confuses the issue .....

The phrase 'The Turkish Cypriot acquittal of responsibility ...' does not describe what you have actually written in the following paragraphs. If you had written "Turkish Cypriot abrogation of responsibility ...' or if you'd written 'Turkish Cypriots refuse responsbility for XYZ' then you would have been on the right lines. But you didn't, instead you wrote 'acquittal of responsibility' - and since only other people can acquit your headline is both literally non-sensical and certainly not English. The use of the definite article at the beginning makes the Turkish Cypriots the unequivocal active subjects of the sentence. It is them doing the acquitting. But to be 'acquitted of responsibility' requires one actor to do the 'acquitting' of the actions or responsibility of another.

So, again, Get Real you are plain wrong.

That’s based on your assumption that the acquittal only comes from the Turkish Cypriots themselves in which case the title should be…

“The Turkish Cypriot self acquittal of responsibility”

…but unfortunately, there are even elements of the Greek Cypriot community and from other countries that seem to have a sanitized view, at my personal disgust, of the criminal acts of Turkish Cypriots in the “TRNC”, hence the more appropriate title…

“The Turkish Cypriot acquittal of responsibility”

...which represents an undetermined origin.