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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:36 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:Now GR and/or Oracle have/has no excuse for not knowing some relevant historial facts about our long road to this tragedy...If they still continue with the blanket vilification of all TCs then they will prove themselves to be racist bigots who are out to prevent any possible goodwill and rapprochement... 8)

DEAD WRONG!

We have discussed the events of the last century plenty of times, and in plenty of threads, and in a million ways, but this particular thread has NOTHING to do with past events but the CURRENT Turkish Cypriot crimes for which so far you are washing your hands clean!

Your attitude is nothing short of disgraceful and contributory to the Cyprus problem.


And yours is contributing to the solution?????
:lol: :lol: :lol:

My gripe represents that of hundreds of thousands of Greek Cypriots UTTERLY DISGUSTED by this Turkish Cypriot charade that you are clearly supporting and encouraging.


And my gripe represents just mine...I do not want to see the TCs disappear from the face of the earth,via assimilation with the people of Turkey....This is what will happen in another 25 years if the status quo continues...I am sorry for the pain and suffering of those hundreds of thousands of GCs,but at least you are not at the risk of total culture and identity loss...The TCs are... :evil: :evil: :evil:

If you GENUINELY want to save the Turkish Cypriot people/identity from extinction and/or any other hardship then teach them to live by the RULE of LAW…

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm4.htm

...so that they may always be loved and respected, but do not hide their wrongs thinking that you are saving them. This is no different to how we should treat our children... fair & square.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Now GR and/or Oracle have/has no excuse for not knowing some relevant historial facts about our long road to this tragedy...If they still continue with the blanket vilification of all TCs then they will prove themselves to be racist bigots who are out to prevent any possible goodwill and rapprochement... 8)

DEAD WRONG!

We have discussed the events of the last century plenty of times, and in plenty of threads, and in a million ways, but this particular thread has NOTHING to do with past events but the CURRENT Turkish Cypriot crimes for which so far you are washing your hands clean!

Your attitude is nothing short of disgraceful and contributory to the Cyprus problem.


And yours is contributing to the solution?????
:lol: :lol: :lol:

My gripe represents that of hundreds of thousands of Greek Cypriots UTTERLY DISGUSTED by this Turkish Cypriot charade that you are clearly supporting and encouraging.


And my gripe represents just mine...I do not want to see the TCs disappear from the face of the earth,via assimilation with the people of Turkey....This is what will happen in another 25 years if the status quo continues...I am sorry for the pain and suffering of those hundreds of thousands of GCs,but at least you are not at the risk of total culture and identity loss...The TCs are... :evil: :evil: :evil:

If you GENUINELY want to save the Turkish Cypriot people/identity from extinction and/or any other hardship then teach them to live by the RULE of LAW…

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm4.htm

...so that they may always be loved and respected, but do not hide their wrongs thinking that you are saving them. This is no different to how we should treat our children... fair & square.


So when will you give back what you stole you bloody thief.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:42 pm

James Ker-Lindsay wrote:Following the island’s division it became clear that any future settlement would be based in some measure on the physical separation of the two communities within the general framework of a more recognisable federal system of government. This framework was first confirmed in 1977 and then reconfirmed in 1979 with the signing of the High Level Agreements. While the agreements created the parameters for a settlement based on a bicommunal, bizonal federation, in practice the actual meaning of such a system was hotly contested by the two sides. For the Greek Cypriots, the nominal aim was to create a system of two entities that would be predominantly, but not wholly, made up of one community or another. However, this vision, backed with calls for a full right to movement and settlement, was seen by the Turkish Cypriots as unacceptable. Instead they wished to secure a settlement whereby the central state would be weak and the federation would be made up of two separate and ethnically homogenous entities and with guarantees in place to prevent the Greek Cypriots from overrunning the Turkish Cypriot state. Meanwhile, in 1983, UN efforts to create the conditions for the two parties to reach a settlement suffered a setback when the Turkish Cypriots unilaterally declared independence and formed the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, a state recognised only by Turkey.

http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/esc/esc-lectur ... indsay.pdf (page 28)


The above paragraph summarizes the essence of the illegitimate claims of the Turkish side, and demonstrates the major reason why there has not been a settlement of the Cyprus problem so far! It has nothing to do with Makarios, Kyprianou, Vasiliou, Clerides, Papadopoullos or Christofias! The Turkish Cypriot side wants to push us to sign over to them (read gift to them) the exclusive ownership of an area of Cyprus encompassing as much as 30% of the islands territory and over 50% of its most expensive land (the coastline,) even though it is a minority of only 18% of Cypriots, and even though historically (and I am talking about thousands of years of history here) the area which they claim has never been populated by themselves exclusively, not even by majority! This is the summary of the despicable diachronic Turkish and TC leadership's opportunistic and irredentist demands over the Greek Cypriot community!
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:44 pm

Viewpoint wrote:So when will you give back what you stole you bloody thief.

:? Feel free to start a thread describing when and what I’ve stolen, and I promise to look into it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:49 pm

Kifeas wrote:
James Ker-Lindsay wrote:Following the island’s division it became clear that any future settlement would be based in some measure on the physical separation of the two communities within the general framework of a more recognisable federal system of government. This framework was first confirmed in 1977 and then reconfirmed in 1979 with the signing of the High Level Agreements. While the agreements created the parameters for a settlement based on a bicommunal, bizonal federation, in practice the actual meaning of such a system was hotly contested by the two sides. For the Greek Cypriots, the nominal aim was to create a system of two entities that would be predominantly, but not wholly, made up of one community or another. However, this vision, backed with calls for a full right to movement and settlement, was seen by the Turkish Cypriots as unacceptable. Instead they wished to secure a settlement whereby the central state would be weak and the federation would be made up of two separate and ethnically homogenous entities and with guarantees in place to prevent the Greek Cypriots from overrunning the Turkish Cypriot state. Meanwhile, in 1983, UN efforts to create the conditions for the two parties to reach a settlement suffered a setback when the Turkish Cypriots unilaterally declared independence and formed the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, a state recognised only by Turkey.

http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/esc/esc-lectur ... indsay.pdf (page 28)


The above paragraph summarizes the essence of the illegitimate claims of the Turkish side, and demonstrates the major reason why there has not been a settlement of the Cyprus problem so far! It has nothing to do with Makarios, Kyprianou, Vasiliou, Clerides, Papadopoullos or Christofias! The Turkish Cypriot side wants to push us to sign over to them (read gift to them) the exclusive ownership of an area of Cyprus encompassing as much as 30% of the islands territory and over 50% of its most expensive land (the coastline,) even though it is a minority of only 18% of Cypriots, and even though historically (and I am talking about thousands of years of history here) the area which they claim has never been populated by themselves exclusively, not even by majority! This is the summary of the despicable diachronic Turkish and TC leadership's opportunistic and irredentist demands over the Greek Cypriot community!



How does it correlate with the GC desire to gift our country to Greece? which caused this mess in the first place?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So when will you give back what you stole you bloody thief.

:? Feel free to start a thread describing when and what I’ve stolen, and I promise to look into it.



The "RoC" work the rest our yourself you moron.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:57 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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James Ker-Lindsay wrote:Following the island’s division it became clear that any future settlement would be based in some measure on the physical separation of the two communities within the general framework of a more recognisable federal system of government. This framework was first confirmed in 1977 and then reconfirmed in 1979 with the signing of the High Level Agreements. While the agreements created the parameters for a settlement based on a bicommunal, bizonal federation, in practice the actual meaning of such a system was hotly contested by the two sides. For the Greek Cypriots, the nominal aim was to create a system of two entities that would be predominantly, but not wholly, made up of one community or another. However, this vision, backed with calls for a full right to movement and settlement, was seen by the Turkish Cypriots as unacceptable. Instead they wished to secure a settlement whereby the central state would be weak and the federation would be made up of two separate and ethnically homogenous entities and with guarantees in place to prevent the Greek Cypriots from overrunning the Turkish Cypriot state. Meanwhile, in 1983, UN efforts to create the conditions for the two parties to reach a settlement suffered a setback when the Turkish Cypriots unilaterally declared independence and formed the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, a state recognised only by Turkey.

http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/esc/esc-lectur ... indsay.pdf (page 28)


The above paragraph summarizes the essence of the illegitimate claims of the Turkish side, and demonstrates the major reason why there has not been a settlement of the Cyprus problem so far! It has nothing to do with Makarios, Kyprianou, Vasiliou, Clerides, Papadopoullos or Christofias! The Turkish Cypriot side wants to push us to sign over to them (read gift to them) the exclusive ownership of an area of Cyprus encompassing as much as 30% of the islands territory and over 50% of its most expensive land (the coastline,) even though it is a minority of only 18% of Cypriots, and even though historically (and I am talking about thousands of years of history here) the area which they claim has never been populated by themselves exclusively, not even by majority! This is the summary of the despicable diachronic Turkish and TC leadership's opportunistic and irredentist demands over the Greek Cypriot community!



How does it correlate with the GC desire to gift our country to Greece? which caused this mess in the first place?

VP, arrogance, greediness and opportunistic aims do not come alone! They reflect characters that are reckless and prone to commit mistakes too! And as one can see from the above mentioned analysis of James Ker-Lindsay, the Turkish side (as much and even more than the GC side did before 1974,) did commit some very notable mistakes during the previous 34 years! After 1974, the Turkish and TC aim was to essentially fuck the GCs, and it is not by accident that they found themselves in the stage they are today, i.e. hostages of their own irredentism! We have gotten rid of our own irredentism, and because of this we have managed something even better than Union with Greece! You have yet to get rid of your own irredentism!
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:57 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So when will you give back what you stole you bloody thief.

:? Feel free to start a thread describing when and what I’ve stolen, and I promise to look into it.

The "RoC" work the rest our yourself you moron.

Learn to communicate effectively if anyone is to ever take you seriously on this forum...

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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:03 pm

Viewpoint wrote:How does it correlate with the GC desire to gift our country to Greece? which caused this mess in the first place?

Are you implying that, due to the fact that many Greek Cypriots wanted ENOSIS with Greece 100 years ago, you are justified TODAY for providing a SAFE HAVEN to CRIMINAL FUGITIVES, as one example??? :?
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:04 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
James Ker-Lindsay wrote:Following the island’s division it became clear that any future settlement would be based in some measure on the physical separation of the two communities within the general framework of a more recognisable federal system of government. This framework was first confirmed in 1977 and then reconfirmed in 1979 with the signing of the High Level Agreements. While the agreements created the parameters for a settlement based on a bicommunal, bizonal federation, in practice the actual meaning of such a system was hotly contested by the two sides. For the Greek Cypriots, the nominal aim was to create a system of two entities that would be predominantly, but not wholly, made up of one community or another. However, this vision, backed with calls for a full right to movement and settlement, was seen by the Turkish Cypriots as unacceptable. Instead they wished to secure a settlement whereby the central state would be weak and the federation would be made up of two separate and ethnically homogenous entities and with guarantees in place to prevent the Greek Cypriots from overrunning the Turkish Cypriot state. Meanwhile, in 1983, UN efforts to create the conditions for the two parties to reach a settlement suffered a setback when the Turkish Cypriots unilaterally declared independence and formed the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, a state recognised only by Turkey.

http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/esc/esc-lectur ... indsay.pdf (page 28)


The above paragraph summarizes the essence of the illegitimate claims of the Turkish side, and demonstrates the major reason why there has not been a settlement of the Cyprus problem so far! It has nothing to do with Makarios, Kyprianou, Vasiliou, Clerides, Papadopoullos or Christofias! The Turkish Cypriot side wants to push us to sign over to them (read gift to them) the exclusive ownership of an area of Cyprus encompassing as much as 30% of the islands territory and over 50% of its most expensive land (the coastline,) even though it is a minority of only 18% of Cypriots, and even though historically (and I am talking about thousands of years of history here) the area which they claim has never been populated by themselves exclusively, not even by majority! This is the summary of the despicable diachronic Turkish and TC leadership's opportunistic and irredentist demands over the Greek Cypriot community!



How does it correlate with the GC desire to gift our country to Greece? which caused this mess in the first place?


Our desire to liberate Cyprus from foreign oppressors came only in 1821, along with the desires of all Greek people in all other Greek islands and territories which were under the brutal Turkish rule:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


1821 was far from the "first place" and far from what caused the mess. What came in the first place and what caused the mess that we Cypriots continue to suffer from was this:

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.


Now I hope you learned what came first and you will stop making uneducated remarks about Cyprus and its people, since you apparently know very little about us and the history of our island.
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