BirKibrisli wrote:Oracle wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:Oracle wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:Oracle wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:Oracle wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:It is no use turning a blind eye to history (
Oracle, are you listening???) and insist we deal with the present "realities"...That would be fine if we all agreed on what those realities were...But we don't...So we all need to Get Real....
I've never been accused of turning a blind eye to history before. I am usually told to forget what the Turks have done and move on.
So here was I, uncharacteristically confronting today's realities and you present yet
another stumbling block.
As I suspected Bir ...
whatever we propose, you contradict even if it means you contradict yourself in the process ....
You correctly though identify a difference in
agreement on reality.
Why don't we look as some hard evidence to help identify those present day realities producing consternation, and see where we differ and agree.I think a dedicated thread may give us a fresh start ...
Would someone take over doing one as I just meet with criticism from all sides whenever I embark on one.
Great idea,Oracle...Why don't you start a new thread on the "reality" which gives you most consternation...Try to make it neutral at least to start with...By that I mean try to avoid using words like "TC criminals" 'barbarian Turks" "Greedy thieves" etc...good luck...
... A scientist must never interfere with the outcome of the experiments by discarding any results which do not meet requirements, no matter how unwelcome they might be.
...and a good Scientist does not suggest to examine "effects" without looking at their "causes".....
Darling Bir ...... but you are making it too easy for me!
Aristotle wrote: "All causes are beginnings..."
How many parallels exist in nature to describe our condition....
When did Australia
begin to have problems with rabbits?
Aristotle was not a scientist....He was a philosopher...
Problems with rabbits???
There are no problems with rabbits in Australia now....they have all been eliminated...
Methinks you are getting tired ...
Aristotle .. not a scientist ?... he was the FIRST official scientist ... And as he said, .. "he who does it first does it best!" ....
Some children's basic history ...
kidepede wrote:Aristotle was more interested in science than Socrates or Plato, maybe because his father was a doctor. He wanted to use Socrates' logical methods to figure out how the real world worked; therefore Aristotle is really the father of today's scientific method. Aristotle was especially interested in biology, in classifying plants and animals in a way that would make sense. This is part of the Greek impulse to make order out of chaos: to take the chaotic natural world and impose a man-made order on it. When Alexander was traveling all over Western Asia, he had his messengers bring strange plants back to Aristotle for his studies.
And as for the rabbit infestation of Australia ... you have jumped from cause and effect ... to
solution. Yes they have been curtailed, now .... the means too horrendous to dwell upon so close to tea-time ...
But since we equate the rabbit of Australia with the Turk-TCs of Cyprus .. I sincerely hope the same fate does not await our "compatriots" ....
Oracle...
I am interested in science too...That does not make me a scientist...But I suppose in Aristotle's time anyone who could read and write was a scientist...
We have a saying..."
Never believe anything said by a man whose name starts with an "A" ends with "E" and has R-I-S-T-O-T-L in between"...It is a very old Turkish Cypriot saying I just made up...
Similarly, you may be interested in Cyprus but it doesn't make you a Cypriot ....
I agree that in Aristotle's time,
your ancestors may have been far removed from reading and writing that a little learning may have earned unwarranted labels, but Aristotle was not such a rarity in Athens...
However, you offer me a worthy comparison for why when we GCs look at practical present day applicable solutions, you try to debunk them with your fantasist's harkings back to imagined "victimisations" for Turk-TCs.
Since Aristotle was interested in Science, practiced Scientific principles, scrutinised Scientific data, compared samples, and formulated the Scientific method only a
fantasist Cyprus Problem seeking "Solutionist" like yourself could contradict such overwhelming proposals with a simple dismissal.....
Again you display why
solution seeking is not your forte, being a fantasist
unable to evaluate evidence .....
) and that they deserve huge rights on the loss of the rights of GCs. Of course GCs can not be trusted to give up their human and democratic rights.
