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The Turkish Cypriot acquittal of responsibility…

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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:16 am

Piratis wrote:
For every well trained GC national guard there are more than 10 well trained Turkish Soldiers, Turkey will never go to war with south unless it is threatened, it will never attack unless attacked, so if the view that some GCs have expressed that they can whip Turkeys arse then let them try but never forget you have to swallow the consequences and go around crying to the world that you were right, which of course GCs have a lot of experience in unfortunately for them no one gives a shit.

Turkeys assimilation has started where have you been? without winning over the TCs they will never rebel, because there is no alternative both ends of the stick are shitty, for now Turkeys side is less shitty.


Turkey has already attacked Cyprus and it is illegally occupying 1/3rd of our country and violating the sovereignty of the one and only state in Cyprus: Republic of Cyprus. The war that Turkey started in 1974 will end when the Turkish occupation troops are out of Cyprus and legality is restored. Meanwhile the war that Turkey started in 1974 is still going on, and Cyprus has every right to defend itself from the foreign aggressors.


We have been there and talked about this before, no need ot cover old ground if you feel war is your only alternative do your worse we are ready.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:30 pm

Okey,everyone...You can stop all this war talk now..Cypriots have more sense than that...And we do learn out lessons...It is time to practice our empathy and compassion skills....We all know what is stopping us from embracing each other as brother and sister compatriots...Our sad history and the mistrust and bitterness that it has produced...Most of us are still in denial about our own community's role in this. It is no use turning a blind eye to history (Oracle, are you listening???) and insist we deal with the present "realities"...That would be fine if we all agreed on what those realities were...But we don't...So we all need to Get Real.... :wink:

The GCs have to take a good and hard look at why Turkey felt compelled to invade in 1974...And why they decided to stay...The TCs have to take a good look at the cost of having Turkey as their mentor and guarantor...
And accept the fact that it is not in their own interest to assimilate with Turkey. It will be the end of a unique community,probably the only one in history to be willing participants in their own cultural and identity genocide... We will dig deep and find the necessary empathy and compassion ,and the sense of putting the future of Cyprus and Cypriots first. If I can do it,miltiades can do it,Kikapu can do it,Bananiot can do it,repulsewarrior can do it,Deniz can do it...so can you all...So put all your suspicions,mistrust,prejudice,bitterness and hatred aside...Take a good look in the mirror and repeat after me..."We were naive fools to have let the British,the Americans,The Turks and the Greeks convince us the only natives of Cyprus were the Donkeys!...We have grown up now.... We believe we are one people, one nation separated by two man-made, artificial factors...We are prepared to put the interest of our homeland,our motherland Cyprus first...The foreigners can all go to hell...We have suffered enough through serving their interests...We are taking our own fate in our own hands...So help us God/Allah/Buddha/Nature/Great Emptiness/(insert your own belief here)...." :D :D
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:47 pm

So what’s been happening in here? :?

Has a decent Turkish Cypriot stepped forward to acknowledge and condemn ANY of these crimes that the TC community is currently committing?

Or has everyone been convinced yet again to grant the Turkish Cypriot ACQUITTAL of RESPONSIBILITY by the “wise moderates”? Image

Point proven and...

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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:So what’s been happening in here? :?

Has a decent Turkish Cypriot stepped forward to acknowledge and condemn ANY of these crimes that the TC community is currently committing?

Or has everyone been convinced yet again to grant the Turkish Cypriot ACQUITTAL of RESPONSIBILITY by the “wise moderates”? Image

Point proven and...

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Before your arrival logic and an attempt at understanding one another prevailed but now you are here this debate could deteriorate if you continue to adopt your negative stance. Could you try to be more understanding of the other side, lets see how far you can sympathise and understand the other sides concerns. I say that the Turkish Army represents a very emotional fear factor for GCs and they should leave. Try very hard I know it will be difficult for you but never the less try to put forward a positive step you would take to address TCs fears and concerns.
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Postby Muzzy70 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:04 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:Okey,everyone...You can stop all this war talk now..Cypriots have more sense than that...And we do learn out lessons...It is time to practice our empathy and compassion skills....We all know what is stopping us from embracing each other as brother and sister compatriots...Our sad history and the mistrust and bitterness that it has produced...Most of us are still in denial about our own community's role in this. It is no use turning a blind eye to history (Oracle, are you listening???) and insist we deal with the present "realities"...That would be fine if we all agreed on what those realities were...But we don't...So we all need to Get Real.... :wink:

The GCs have to take a good and hard look at why Turkey felt compelled to invade in 1974...And why they decided to stay...The TCs have to take a good look at the cost of having Turkey as their mentor and guarantor...
And accept the fact that it is not in their own interest to assimilate with Turkey. It will be the end of a unique community,probably the only one in history to be willing participants in their own cultural and identity genocide... We will dig deep and find the necessary empathy and compassion ,and the sense of putting the future of Cyprus and Cypriots first. If I can do it,miltiades can do it,Kikapu can do it,Bananiot can do it,repulsewarrior can do it,Deniz can do it...so can you all...So put all your suspicions,mistrust,prejudice,bitterness and hatred aside...Take a good look in the mirror and repeat after me..."We were naive fools to have let the British,the Americans,The Turks and the Greeks convince us the only natives of Cyprus were the Donkeys!...We have grown up now.... We believe we are one people, one nation separated by two man-made, artificial factors...We are prepared to put the interest of our homeland,our motherland Cyprus first...The foreigners can all go to hell...We have suffered enough through serving their interests...We are taking our own fate in our own hands...So help us God/Allah/Buddha/Nature/Great Emptiness/(insert your own belief here)...." :D :D


Bir, I respect you but you're still living a dream. Can you honestly tell me that the vast majority of GC posters on this site show maturity, are prepared to treat us with respect etc, etc. ? The answer of course is no. Just look at all the offensive tripe thrown my way about the experience of my family. Where are the rational GC voices ? Where are the GC's prepared to compromise about the future of the island ? I've only come across one and that's Andros, and what's happened to him ?!!

I tell you Bir, I would gladly accept the TRNC becoming a part of Turkey, failing a negotiated settlement or recognition, rather than living with neanderthals prepared to stab me and my community in the back at the first opportunity. It's sad but reality.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:05 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:It is no use turning a blind eye to history (Oracle, are you listening???) and insist we deal with the present "realities"...That would be fine if we all agreed on what those realities were...But we don't...So we all need to Get Real.... :wink:


I've never been accused of turning a blind eye to history before. I am usually told to forget what the Turks have done and move on.

So here was I, uncharacteristically confronting today's realities and you present yet another stumbling block.

As I suspected Bir ... whatever we propose, you contradict even if it means you contradict yourself in the process .... :roll:

You correctly though identify a difference in agreement on reality.

Why don't we look as some hard evidence to help identify those present day realities producing consternation, and see where we differ and agree.

I think a dedicated thread may give us a fresh start ...

Would someone take over doing one as I just meet with criticism from all sides whenever I embark on one.
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Postby CopperLine » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:09 pm

Case not closed because in any case, Get Real still doesn't know the meanings of the term acquittal. The verb to acquit (except in a reflexive form) is an action or judgement undertaken by one agent in relation to another agent. One cannot acquit onself. Get Real's title and his continued use of the term acquittal is nonsensical. I can acquit you; you can acquit me : But I cannot acquit myself nor can you acquit yourself. (Ask yourself this Get Real : what sense would it make to charge yourself with something which you had the power to refuse).

To help you Get Real, at least with a lexical definition, here's the OED entry :

1. Payment, repayment, requital, or retribution; an amends, set-off, or counter-consideration. Obs.
c1430 LYDG. Minor Poems (1840) 89 To shewe how moche that konnyng may availe; And wey ageynwardes the froward acquitayle. 1440 J. SHIRLEY Dethe of James I (1818) 22 Thay were all takyn, and byhedid at Edynburghe. The Qwene did herselfe grete worship for here trew acquitalle [printed acquitable]. 1547 HEYWOOD Wit & Folly (1846) 5 The sotts pleaseure in this last acquyghtall Counterwayleth his payne. 1749 H. WALPOLE Lett. to H. Mann 200 (1834) II. 274, I have been long in arrears to you, but I trust you will take this huge letter as an acquittal.

2. Release or discharge from debt or obligation; = ACQUITTANCE 2. Obs. exc. in Law.
1463 J. BARET in Bury Wills (1850) 42 My executours..shall make a clere declaracion and a trewe accountys yeerly..for here trewe acquytaylle. 1641 Termes de la Ley 9 To acquit and discharge him of all rents, services, and such like: This discharge is called acquitall. 1809 TOMLINS Law Dict., Acquittal..signifies in one sense to be free from entries and molestations of a superior lord for services issuing out of lands. 1815 SCOTT Ld. of Isles IV. xxvii, The ring and spousal contract both, And fair acquittal of his oath.

{dag}3. A release, or deliverance, from liability or risk. Cf. ACQUITTANCE 4. Obs. rare.
1618 BOLTON Florus IV. ii. 292 Nor was the forbearance of him [Cæsar] an acquitall any longer; for Brutus, and Cassius..conspired to assassinate him.

4. A setting free, or deliverance from the charge of an offence, by verdict, sentence, or other legal process.
a1535 MORE Wks. 238 (R.) The chaunceler..neuer durst abyde the tryal of xii men for his acquitayle: but was fain by frendship to geat a pardon. 1629 COKE Instit. 100a, Hereof cometh acquitall, and quietus est, (that is) that hee is discharged. 1772 Junius Lett. Pref. 15 The jury should bring in a verdict of acquittal. 1840 MACAULAY Clive 88 The sentence ought to be one, not merely of acquittal, but of approbation.

5. Discharge (of duty); performance.
1656 MILTON Lett. State (1851) 344 His own deserts in the diligent acquittal of his trust. 1835 I. TAYLOR Spirit. Despotism §4. 154 For the acquittal of none of these perplexing duties does a church receive one word of guidance.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:21 pm

CopperLine wrote:Case not closed because in any case, Get Real still doesn't know the meanings of the term acquittal. The verb to acquit (except in a reflexive form) is an action or judgement undertaken by one agent in relation to another agent. One cannot acquit onself. Get Real's title and his continued use of the term acquittal is nonsensical. I can acquit you; you can acquit me : But I cannot acquit myself nor can you acquit yourself. (Ask yourself this Get Real : what sense would it make to charge yourself with something which you had the power to refuse).

To help you Get Real, at least with a lexical definition, here's the OED entry :

1. Payment, repayment, requital, or retribution; an amends, set-off, or counter-consideration. Obs.
c1430 LYDG. Minor Poems (1840) 89 To shewe how moche that konnyng may availe; And wey ageynwardes the froward acquitayle. 1440 J. SHIRLEY Dethe of James I (1818) 22 Thay were all takyn, and byhedid at Edynburghe. The Qwene did herselfe grete worship for here trew acquitalle [printed acquitable]. 1547 HEYWOOD Wit & Folly (1846) 5 The sotts pleaseure in this last acquyghtall Counterwayleth his payne. 1749 H. WALPOLE Lett. to H. Mann 200 (1834) II. 274, I have been long in arrears to you, but I trust you will take this huge letter as an acquittal.

2. Release or discharge from debt or obligation; = ACQUITTANCE 2. Obs. exc. in Law.
1463 J. BARET in Bury Wills (1850) 42 My executours..shall make a clere declaracion and a trewe accountys yeerly..for here trewe acquytaylle. 1641 Termes de la Ley 9 To acquit and discharge him of all rents, services, and such like: This discharge is called acquitall. 1809 TOMLINS Law Dict., Acquittal..signifies in one sense to be free from entries and molestations of a superior lord for services issuing out of lands. 1815 SCOTT Ld. of Isles IV. xxvii, The ring and spousal contract both, And fair acquittal of his oath.

{dag}3. A release, or deliverance, from liability or risk. Cf. ACQUITTANCE 4. Obs. rare.
1618 BOLTON Florus IV. ii. 292 Nor was the forbearance of him [Cæsar] an acquitall any longer; for Brutus, and Cassius..conspired to assassinate him.

4. A setting free, or deliverance from the charge of an offence, by verdict, sentence, or other legal process.
a1535 MORE Wks. 238 (R.) The chaunceler..neuer durst abyde the tryal of xii men for his acquitayle: but was fain by frendship to geat a pardon. 1629 COKE Instit. 100a, Hereof cometh acquitall, and quietus est, (that is) that hee is discharged. 1772 Junius Lett. Pref. 15 The jury should bring in a verdict of acquittal. 1840 MACAULAY Clive 88 The sentence ought to be one, not merely of acquittal, but of approbation.

5. Discharge (of duty); performance.
1656 MILTON Lett. State (1851) 344 His own deserts in the diligent acquittal of his trust. 1835 I. TAYLOR Spirit. Despotism §4. 154 For the acquittal of none of these perplexing duties does a church receive one word of guidance.


I have ALREADY responded to your gripe regarding "my mangling" of the word... :lol:

Btw, your quotes... "Release or discharge from debt or obligation", "A release, or deliverance, from liability or risk", "A setting free, or deliverance from the charge of an offence, by verdict, sentence, or other legal process." ...are all BEATIFULL explanations of "acquittal" so thank you! Enjoy yourself...


Get Real! wrote:
CopperLine wrote:Those who live by the words, Get Real, shall die by the words (so said
the dyslexic.

After having berated Halil for his English language competence you use a title for a thread which not only mangles the English language but insodoing confuses the issue .....

The phrase 'The Turkish Cypriot acquittal of responsibility ...' does not describe what you have actually written in the following paragraphs. If you had written "Turkish Cypriot abrogation of responsibility ...' or if you'd written 'Turkish Cypriots refuse responsbility for XYZ' then you would have been on the right lines. But you didn't, instead you wrote 'acquittal of responsibility' - and since only other people can acquit your headline is both literally non-sensical and certainly not English. The use of the definite article at the beginning makes the Turkish Cypriots the unequivocal active subjects of the sentence. It is them doing the acquitting. But to be 'acquitted of responsibility' requires one actor to do the 'acquitting' of the actions or responsibility of another.

So, again, Get Real you are plain wrong.

That’s based on your assumption that the acquittal only comes from the Turkish Cypriots themselves in which case the title should be…

“The Turkish Cypriot self acquittal of responsibility”

…but unfortunately, there are even elements of the Greek Cypriot community and from other countries that seem to have a sanitized view, at my personal disgust, of the criminal acts of Turkish Cypriots in the “TRNC”, hence the more appropriate title…

“The Turkish Cypriot acquittal of responsibility”

...which represents an undetermined origin.
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Postby Sotos » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:22 pm

I tell you Bir, I would gladly accept the TRNC becoming a part of Turkey, failing a negotiated settlement or recognition, rather than living with neanderthals prepared to stab me and my community in the back at the first opportunity. It's sad but reality.

Hey Mongol if you don't like our island and its people then why you came to Cyprus? The fucking invader talks about stabbing!! The pot calling the kettle black! :roll:
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Postby pantheman » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:29 pm

CopperLine wrote:Case not closed because in any case, Get Real still doesn't know the meanings of the term acquittal. The verb to acquit (except in a reflexive form) is an action or judgement undertaken by one agent in relation to another agent. One cannot acquit onself. Get Real's title and his continued use of the term acquittal is nonsensical. I can acquit you; you can acquit me : But I cannot acquit myself nor can you acquit yourself. (Ask yourself this Get Real : what sense would it make to charge yourself with something which you had the power to refuse).

To help you Get Real, at least with a lexical definition, here's the OED entry :

1. Payment, repayment, requital, or retribution; an amends, set-off, or counter-consideration. Obs.
c1430 LYDG. Minor Poems (1840) 89 To shewe how moche that konnyng may availe; And wey ageynwardes the froward acquitayle. 1440 J. SHIRLEY Dethe of James I (1818) 22 Thay were all takyn, and byhedid at Edynburghe. The Qwene did herselfe grete worship for here trew acquitalle [printed acquitable]. 1547 HEYWOOD Wit & Folly (1846) 5 The sotts pleaseure in this last acquyghtall Counterwayleth his payne. 1749 H. WALPOLE Lett. to H. Mann 200 (1834) II. 274, I have been long in arrears to you, but I trust you will take this huge letter as an acquittal.

2. Release or discharge from debt or obligation; = ACQUITTANCE 2. Obs. exc. in Law.
1463 J. BARET in Bury Wills (1850) 42 My executours..shall make a clere declaracion and a trewe accountys yeerly..for here trewe acquytaylle. 1641 Termes de la Ley 9 To acquit and discharge him of all rents, services, and such like: This discharge is called acquitall. 1809 TOMLINS Law Dict., Acquittal..signifies in one sense to be free from entries and molestations of a superior lord for services issuing out of lands. 1815 SCOTT Ld. of Isles IV. xxvii, The ring and spousal contract both, And fair acquittal of his oath.

{dag}3. A release, or deliverance, from liability or risk. Cf. ACQUITTANCE 4. Obs. rare.
1618 BOLTON Florus IV. ii. 292 Nor was the forbearance of him [Cæsar] an acquitall any longer; for Brutus, and Cassius..conspired to assassinate him.

4. A setting free, or deliverance from the charge of an offence, by verdict, sentence, or other legal process.
a1535 MORE Wks. 238 (R.) The chaunceler..neuer durst abyde the tryal of xii men for his acquitayle: but was fain by frendship to geat a pardon. 1629 COKE Instit. 100a, Hereof cometh acquitall, and quietus est, (that is) that hee is discharged. 1772 Junius Lett. Pref. 15 The jury should bring in a verdict of acquittal. 1840 MACAULAY Clive 88 The sentence ought to be one, not merely of acquittal, but of approbation.

5. Discharge (of duty); performance.
1656 MILTON Lett. State (1851) 344 His own deserts in the diligent acquittal of his trust. 1835 I. TAYLOR Spirit. Despotism §4. 154 For the acquittal of none of these perplexing duties does a church receive one word of guidance.


Copperline, come on, now you are just playing silly beggers!

You and everyone elses knows what GR meant and you continue your 'put-down' actions because he had a go at someone elses english.

The points he made at the front end of this thread are all true and correct, regardless of the reasons as he said.

basically what the TCs are trying to do is justfy their illegal actions because of the treatment they had , its like saying a young criminal is ok to steal, mug, rob and break the law because of his poor up bringing. People know the difference from right and wrong, you could at least accept that much.

I am not saying the GC are whiter than white, far from it, but just look at the list and you will see facts starring you in the face.

Have a nice day.
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