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Oracle

The legitimately recognised RoC.

Chosen by whom? composed of whom? what does your constitution tell you?

Predictable.

Shall we dance around the "Mulberry Bush" again ?

Someone else can partner you for a while, I need to take a dip in the sea ....

Try answering the questions for a change, rather than bullshit like you normally do, we all know your real purpose is shit stirring.

[Oracle]

Oracle

The legitimately recognised RoC.

Chosen by whom? composed of whom? what does your constitution tell you?

Predictable.

Shall we dance around the "Mulberry Bush" again ?

Someone else can partner you for a while, I need to take a dip in the sea ....

Try answering the questions for a change, rather than bullshit like you normally do, we all know your real purpose is shit stirring.

I'll let you settle for a while, then I'll come back with my ladle again ....

[miltiades]

miltiades

Oracle is just being her usual self " hate anything Turkish "
Birkibrisly is the most respected Cypriot on this forum , a man who not only has had to endure insults from certain fanatical T/Cs but also from the irresponsible members of the GR clan . He has coped remarkably well without having to use insulting language , something I can not master ,
he is a true Cypriot and has my eternal respect.
Cypriots such as Bir and many more like him give us hope and courage to push ahead towards a just solution not a bloody war that would bring devastation of immeasurable dimensions to our island without gaining one inch of our occupied lands.
It is the extremists that the Turkish propaganda is pointing the finger at and defending the presence of the Turkish troops on our island as imperatively vital to the interests of the T/Cs.
Extremists amongst us are blinkered and can not see that the Turkish propaganda machine would come to a complete standstill if the finger was aimed at Bananiot , my self , Bir , repulse warrior and many more objectively positioned Cypriots who are committed to peaceful , meaningful negotiations in order to find a solution. It does not mean that we shall sit back and see Turkey annexe part of our island and altering even more the demographics of our island , we shall defend our independence with the political muscle at our disposal , we shall prevent recognition of the break- away regime or the assimilation of it by Turkey .

How do you like seeing your compatriot being ripped to shreds, that's the danger your goodwill would put us in. You are a very small minority and its the GR, Oracles, Piratis and other GC hardliners who know 100% will make our lives hell, why do you think we ask for safeguards, they are to guarantee that these fanatics will not takes us into practices of the past, if they have no intention of doing this then why are they so against safeguards that would be redundant due to lack of use.

Now miltiades do you understand why we are so apprehensive or not trusting of GC intentions, even a TC who trusts and forgives GCs who wants what they want the GC can rip off his head, imagine what they will do to us who do not see eye to eye for reasons that are now more evident.

VP , you are forgetting some fundamental changes that have since taken place. Way back in the early 60s the Republic of Cyprus was very much in its embryonic stage having come out of a just and hard struggle against the then occupying power , for the first time in its long history it found it self partly in charge of its own destiny admittedly with many restrains imposed upon it by the "partly " departing occupier and by the "guarantor powers " , another imposition regardless.
The Cypriot people had been indoctrinated by their leaders and were requested by force to deny their true ethnicity and adopt either the Greek or Turkish foreign identity. Today Cyprus is a modern European Nation with legislatures and governmental procedures totally in line with European directives and statutes . The embryonic "nappies" have long been discarded as Cyprus is now a fully developed adult with a modern economic infrastructure as good as any other European nation , indeed bearing in mind all the obstacles faced Cyprus has come through admirably well , which makes it absurd that a part of Cyprus and Cypriots are not benefiting by these dynamics but are the recipients of the meagre "benefits" from a nation that debated for a whole month whether its female citizens ought to or not cover their hair , a nation embroiled in its own "identity " that of an Islamic or secular society coupled with the continued manifestations of its own "minority" the Kurdish people.
May I just correct your statement that Bir was being ripped to bits by either Oracle or GR , Bir handled himself in an exemplary manner and relied on his own sense of values and vision in tackling these two unwittingly belligerent rabble rousers.
You have no doubt witnessed the resolve of some of us to challenge the extreme elements from every direction , I have yet to witness similar rebuffs by you , it would be constructive to display your impartial stand on matters of mutual areas.

[DT.]

miltiades

Oracle is just being her usual self " hate anything Turkish "
Birkibrisly is the most respected Cypriot on this forum , a man who not only has had to endure insults from certain fanatical T/Cs but also from the irresponsible members of the GR clan . He has coped remarkably well without having to use insulting language , something I can not master ,
he is a true Cypriot and has my eternal respect.
Cypriots such as Bir and many more like him give us hope and courage to push ahead towards a just solution not a bloody war that would bring devastation of immeasurable dimensions to our island without gaining one inch of our occupied lands.
It is the extremists that the Turkish propaganda is pointing the finger at and defending the presence of the Turkish troops on our island as imperatively vital to the interests of the T/Cs.
Extremists amongst us are blinkered and can not see that the Turkish propaganda machine would come to a complete standstill if the finger was aimed at Bananiot , my self , Bir , repulse warrior and many more objectively positioned Cypriots who are committed to peaceful , meaningful negotiations in order to find a solution. It does not mean that we shall sit back and see Turkey annexe part of our island and altering even more the demographics of our island , we shall defend our independence with the political muscle at our disposal , we shall prevent recognition of the break- away regime or the assimilation of it by Turkey .

How do you like seeing your compatriot being ripped to shreds, that's the danger your goodwill would put us in. You are a very small minority and its the GR, Oracles, Piratis and other GC hardliners who know 100% will make our lives hell, why do you think we ask for safeguards, they are to guarantee that these fanatics will not takes us into practices of the past, if they have no intention of doing this then why are they so against safeguards that would be redundant due to lack of use.

Now miltiades do you understand why we are so apprehensive or not trusting of GC intentions, even a TC who trusts and forgives GCs who wants what they want the GC can rip off his head, imagine what they will do to us who do not see eye to eye for reasons that are now more evident.

VP , you are forgetting some fundamental changes that have since taken place. Way back in the early 60s the Republic of Cyprus was very much in its embryonic stage having come out of a just and hard struggle against the then occupying power , for the first time in its long history it found it self partly in charge of its own destiny admittedly with many restrains imposed upon it by the "partly " departing occupier and by the "guarantor powers " , another imposition regardless.
The Cypriot people had been indoctrinated by their leaders and were requested by force to deny their true ethnicity and adopt either the Greek or Turkish foreign identity. Today Cyprus is a modern European Nation with legislatures and governmental procedures totally in line with European directives and statutes . The embryonic "nappies" have long been discarded as Cyprus is now a fully developed adult with a modern economic infrastructure as good as any other European nation , indeed bearing in mind all the obstacles faced Cyprus has come through admirably well , which makes it absurd that a part of Cyprus and Cypriots are not benefiting by these dynamics but are the recipients of the meagre "benefits" from a nation that debated for a whole month whether its female citizens ought to or not cover their hair , a nation embroiled in its own "identity " that of an Islamic or secular society coupled with the continued manifestations of its own "minority" the Kurdish people.
May I just correct your statement that Bir was being ripped to bits by either Oracle or GR , Bir handled himself in an exemplary manner and relied on his own sense of values and vision in tackling these two unwittingly belligerent rabble rousers.
You have no doubt witnessed the resolve of some of us to challenge the extreme elements from every direction , I have yet to witness similar rebuffs by you , it would be constructive to display your impartial stand on matters of mutual areas.

Why can't everyone just accept VP for what he is? A racist fanatic.

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miltiades

VP , you are forgetting some fundamental changes that have since taken place. Way back in the early 60s the Republic of Cyprus was very much in its embryonic stage having come out of a just and hard struggle against the then occupying power , for the first time in its long history it found it self partly in charge of its own destiny admittedly with many restrains imposed upon it by the "partly " departing occupier and by the "guarantor powers " , another imposition regardless.
The Cypriot people had been indoctrinated by their leaders and were requested by force to deny their true ethnicity and adopt either the Greek or Turkish foreign identity. Today Cyprus is a modern European Nation with legislatures and governmental procedures totally in line with European directives and statutes . The embryonic "nappies" have long been discarded as Cyprus is now a fully developed adult with a modern economic infrastructure as good as any other European nation , indeed bearing in mind all the obstacles faced Cyprus has come through admirably well , which makes it absurd that a part of Cyprus and Cypriots are not benefiting by these dynamics but are the recipients of the meagre "benefits" from a nation that debated for a whole month whether its female citizens ought to or not cover their hair , a nation embroiled in its own "identity " that of an Islamic or secular society coupled with the continued manifestations of its own "minority" the Kurdish people.
May I just correct your statement that Bir was being ripped to bits by either Oracle or GR , Bir handled himself in an exemplary manner and relied on his own sense of values and vision in tackling these two unwittingly belligerent rabble rousers.
You have no doubt witnessed the resolve of some of us to challenge the extreme elements from every direction , I have yet to witness similar rebuffs by you , it would be constructive to display your impartial stand on matters of mutual areas.

I will remind you I was the first to commend Bir on his clear and concise posts, but the more goodwill he put forward the more the hardliners attacked him, is this where you want to lead us, Bir is an amenable TCs can you imagine if a TC with stronger views was to come forward he would be ripped to shreds within minutes. Miltiades I have learned a great deal from being on this forum and for me all this talk of the south being a EU country is like putting a saddle on a donkey it doesn't make it a racehorse, the mentality of GCs are stuck in the 1960s where they did and still do see themselves as the god given race and we a mere inconvenience on this island. They feel their majority should give them every right to persecute and discriminate against TCs. If the GCs showed change and a more European mentality many of the safeguards we ask for would not be necessary, but the hardliners like GR DL Oracle still feel the island is Greek and we should just stop demanding our rights and take our place in a GC state as a minority. I and many other TCs would rather be assimilated with Turkey than lose our community rights to be treated as indigenous to this island. GCs have to realize there are 2 communities here which the UN EU and world have accepted and back by seeing that a solution may only be achieved via a BBF with political equality.

Miltiades I will back anyone who is positive towards both sides, people who can see both sides of the coin, as I say I would not ask for any safeguards if everyone were like you or Bananiot, but unfortunately the south is overpopulated with Oracles and DTs et el.

[miltiades]

miltiades

VP , you are forgetting some fundamental changes that have since taken place. Way back in the early 60s the Republic of Cyprus was very much in its embryonic stage having come out of a just and hard struggle against the then occupying power , for the first time in its long history it found it self partly in charge of its own destiny admittedly with many restrains imposed upon it by the "partly " departing occupier and by the "guarantor powers " , another imposition regardless.
The Cypriot people had been indoctrinated by their leaders and were requested by force to deny their true ethnicity and adopt either the Greek or Turkish foreign identity. Today Cyprus is a modern European Nation with legislatures and governmental procedures totally in line with European directives and statutes . The embryonic "nappies" have long been discarded as Cyprus is now a fully developed adult with a modern economic infrastructure as good as any other European nation , indeed bearing in mind all the obstacles faced Cyprus has come through admirably well , which makes it absurd that a part of Cyprus and Cypriots are not benefiting by these dynamics but are the recipients of the meagre "benefits" from a nation that debated for a whole month whether its female citizens ought to or not cover their hair , a nation embroiled in its own "identity " that of an Islamic or secular society coupled with the continued manifestations of its own "minority" the Kurdish people.
May I just correct your statement that Bir was being ripped to bits by either Oracle or GR , Bir handled himself in an exemplary manner and relied on his own sense of values and vision in tackling these two unwittingly belligerent rabble rousers.
You have no doubt witnessed the resolve of some of us to challenge the extreme elements from every direction , I have yet to witness similar rebuffs by you , it would be constructive to display your impartial stand on matters of mutual areas.

I will remind I was the first to commend Bir on his clear and concise posts, but the more goodwill he put forward the more the hardliners attacked him, is this where you want to lead us, Bir is an amenable TCs can you imagine if a TC with stronger views was to come forward he would be ripped to shreds within minutes. Miltiades I have learned a great deal from being on this forum and for me all this talk of the south being a EU country is like putting a saddle on a donkey it doesn't make it a racehorse, the mentality of GCs are stuck in the 1960s where they did and still do see themselves as the god given race and we a mere inconvenience on this island. They feel their majority should give them every right to persecute and discriminate against TCs. If the GCs showed change and a more European mentality many of the safeguards we ask for would not be necessary, but the hardliners like GR DL Oracle still feel the island is Greek and we should just stop demanding our rights and take our place in a GC state as a minority. I and many other TCs would rather be assimilated with Turkey than lose our community rights to be treated as indigenous to this island. GCs have to realize there are 2 communities here which the UN EU and world have accepted and back by seeing that a solution may only be achieved via a BBF with political equality.

Miltiades ı will back anyone who is positive towards both sides, people who can see both sides of the coin, as I say I would not ask for any safeguards if everyone were like you or Bananiot, but unfortunately the south is overpopulated with Oracles and DTs et el.

VP , I was at a weeding in Cyprus when I was there recently. The man getting married was , just like my son in law , a regular in the National guard. Many of their colleagues were present , many I knew from previous social gatherings , all tough well disciplined and well trained professionals . All ready to defend their country against incursions by Turkey all dedicated patriots , none though favoured war as an option beyond all other options all agreed to my question that should Turkey decide to extend its occupation further , all means at our disposal would be and should be used to deter further conquests of our lands. All also agreed that the T/Cs are part of this island and that it was the extremists who caused all mayhem in Cyprus.
The fanatics will not be tolerated by our people the law abiding Cypriots will not be subdued into acceptance of illegalities against a section of our people.
You talk of Turkey assimilating the part it now occupies , NEVER , the T/Cs will rebel .

[DT.]

miltiades

VP , you are forgetting some fundamental changes that have since taken place. Way back in the early 60s the Republic of Cyprus was very much in its embryonic stage having come out of a just and hard struggle against the then occupying power , for the first time in its long history it found it self partly in charge of its own destiny admittedly with many restrains imposed upon it by the "partly " departing occupier and by the "guarantor powers " , another imposition regardless.
The Cypriot people had been indoctrinated by their leaders and were requested by force to deny their true ethnicity and adopt either the Greek or Turkish foreign identity. Today Cyprus is a modern European Nation with legislatures and governmental procedures totally in line with European directives and statutes . The embryonic "nappies" have long been discarded as Cyprus is now a fully developed adult with a modern economic infrastructure as good as any other European nation , indeed bearing in mind all the obstacles faced Cyprus has come through admirably well , which makes it absurd that a part of Cyprus and Cypriots are not benefiting by these dynamics but are the recipients of the meagre "benefits" from a nation that debated for a whole month whether its female citizens ought to or not cover their hair , a nation embroiled in its own "identity " that of an Islamic or secular society coupled with the continued manifestations of its own "minority" the Kurdish people.
May I just correct your statement that Bir was being ripped to bits by either Oracle or GR , Bir handled himself in an exemplary manner and relied on his own sense of values and vision in tackling these two unwittingly belligerent rabble rousers.
You have no doubt witnessed the resolve of some of us to challenge the extreme elements from every direction , I have yet to witness similar rebuffs by you , it would be constructive to display your impartial stand on matters of mutual areas.

I will remind you I was the first to commend Bir on his clear and concise posts, but the more goodwill he put forward the more the hardliners attacked him, is this where you want to lead us, Bir is an amenable TCs can you imagine if a TC with stronger views was to come forward he would be ripped to shreds within minutes. Miltiades I have learned a great deal from being on this forum and for me all this talk of the south being a EU country is like putting a saddle on a donkey it doesn't make it a racehorse, the mentality of GCs are stuck in the 1960s where they did and still do see themselves as the god given race and we a mere inconvenience on this island. They feel their majority should give them every right to persecute and discriminate against TCs. If the GCs showed change and a more European mentality many of the safeguards we ask for would not be necessary, but the hardliners like GR DL Oracle still feel the island is Greek and we should just stop demanding our rights and take our place in a GC state as a minority. I and many other TCs would rather be assimilated with Turkey than lose our community rights to be treated as indigenous to this island. GCs have to realize there are 2 communities here which the UN EU and world have accepted and back by seeing that a solution may only be achieved via a BBF with political equality.

Miltiades I will back anyone who is positive towards both sides, people who can see both sides of the coin, as I say I would not ask for any safeguards if everyone were like you or Bananiot, but unfortunately the south is overpopulated with Oracles and DTs et el.

funny that when a GC attacks Bir the animals are ripping him to pieces...when VP attacks Bir he's reading the Koran to a baby?


Here you are calling him a GC
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... bir#124125


Remember Biropoulos?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... bir#131716

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miltiades

VP , you are forgetting some fundamental changes that have since taken place. Way back in the early 60s the Republic of Cyprus was very much in its embryonic stage having come out of a just and hard struggle against the then occupying power , for the first time in its long history it found it self partly in charge of its own destiny admittedly with many restrains imposed upon it by the "partly " departing occupier and by the "guarantor powers " , another imposition regardless.
The Cypriot people had been indoctrinated by their leaders and were requested by force to deny their true ethnicity and adopt either the Greek or Turkish foreign identity. Today Cyprus is a modern European Nation with legislatures and governmental procedures totally in line with European directives and statutes . The embryonic "nappies" have long been discarded as Cyprus is now a fully developed adult with a modern economic infrastructure as good as any other European nation , indeed bearing in mind all the obstacles faced Cyprus has come through admirably well , which makes it absurd that a part of Cyprus and Cypriots are not benefiting by these dynamics but are the recipients of the meagre "benefits" from a nation that debated for a whole month whether its female citizens ought to or not cover their hair , a nation embroiled in its own "identity " that of an Islamic or secular society coupled with the continued manifestations of its own "minority" the Kurdish people.
May I just correct your statement that Bir was being ripped to bits by either Oracle or GR , Bir handled himself in an exemplary manner and relied on his own sense of values and vision in tackling these two unwittingly belligerent rabble rousers.
You have no doubt witnessed the resolve of some of us to challenge the extreme elements from every direction , I have yet to witness similar rebuffs by you , it would be constructive to display your impartial stand on matters of mutual areas.

I will remind I was the first to commend Bir on his clear and concise posts, but the more goodwill he put forward the more the hardliners attacked him, is this where you want to lead us, Bir is an amenable TCs can you imagine if a TC with stronger views was to come forward he would be ripped to shreds within minutes. Miltiades I have learned a great deal from being on this forum and for me all this talk of the south being a EU country is like putting a saddle on a donkey it doesn't make it a racehorse, the mentality of GCs are stuck in the 1960s where they did and still do see themselves as the god given race and we a mere inconvenience on this island. They feel their majority should give them every right to persecute and discriminate against TCs. If the GCs showed change and a more European mentality many of the safeguards we ask for would not be necessary, but the hardliners like GR DL Oracle still feel the island is Greek and we should just stop demanding our rights and take our place in a GC state as a minority. I and many other TCs would rather be assimilated with Turkey than lose our community rights to be treated as indigenous to this island. GCs have to realize there are 2 communities here which the UN EU and world have accepted and back by seeing that a solution may only be achieved via a BBF with political equality.

Miltiades ı will back anyone who is positive towards both sides, people who can see both sides of the coin, as I say I would not ask for any safeguards if everyone were like you or Bananiot, but unfortunately the south is overpopulated with Oracles and DTs et el.

VP , I was at a weeding in Cyprus when I was there recently. The man getting married was , just like my son in law , a regular in the National guard. Many of their colleagues were present , many I knew from previous social gatherings , all tough well disciplined and well trained professionals . All ready to defend their country against incursions by Turkey all dedicated patriots , none though favoured war as an option beyond all other options all agreed to my question that should Turkey decide to extend its occupation further , all means at our disposal would be and should be used to deter further conquests of our lands. All also agreed that the T/Cs are part of this island and that it was the extremists who caused all mayhem in Cyprus.
The fanatics will not be tolerated by our people the law abiding Cypriots will not be subdued into acceptance of illegalities against a section of our people.
You talk of Turkey assimilating the part it now occupies , NEVER , the T/Cs will rebel .

For every well trained GC national guard there are more than 10 well trained Turkish Soldiers, Turkey will never go to war with south unless it is threatened, it will never attack unless attacked, so if the view that some GCs have expressed that they can whip Turkeys arse then let them try but never forget you have to swallow the consequences and go around crying to the world that you were right, which of course GCs have a lot of experience in unfortunately for them no one gives a shit.

Turkeys assimilation has started where have you been? without winning over the TCs they will never rebel, because there is no alternative both ends of the stick are shitty, for now Turkeys side is less shitty.

[Piratis]

Then from that little seed we should grow a big and strong tree which will withstand all the natural and artificial forces which will be thrown at it

Bir, you talk as if the seed is irrelevant to what it will grow out of it. The seed is the most important thing. You put the seed of democracy and human rights, and what will grow out of it is peace, unity and prosperity. You put a seed of human rights violations, segregation and discrimination, and what will grow out of it is animosity, conflicts and bloodshed.

Please tell me in a practical way how you see a bad solution that will benefit TCs on our loss grow to somehting better? The TCs will one day come and say: "We don't want 50% of power and 30% of land anymore"? Please tell me you are kidding me Bir. That is never going to happen. Like you said the TCs don't care about what is just or fair, they care what is the best deal for themselves.

Bir excellent posts, I have to give credit where credit is due, your methodology is both clear and precise but unfortunately it fall on deaf ears, you cannot agree zilch with people who not see you as equals who do not want to share but only use their majority status to bash you into a pulp so that you disappear. I commend you on your patience and for reflecting the TCs viewpoint but in time maybe even now you have realized there is no way we can find common ground to find a solution.

VP, what Bir supports is a unitary state with equal citizens, democracy and human rights. He thinks that all these will grow from some bad "solution". Why don't you tell us VP that if we don't like it we should not sign it? Or you wait to say this the very next moment after we make the mistake and sing? We are not going to fall in that trap mate. Unfortunately for you we are not idiots.

I agree Piratis,that if we could plant the seed you are talking about,things would be much better much quicker..But the people you need to plant this seed are not ready to do it...They want to plant another seed,let it grow a bit,and than bud a graft on it...This is the reality...We have to work with this...

Bir, cut the metaphors please. Who and how will "bud a graft" on the agreements that would benefit the TCs on our loss? When the TCs will have the better deal for themselves why would they want to ever give it up?

But I can see the problem very clearly now...Total lack of TRUST...Each side is very suspicious of the other's motives...

Bir, I am afraid you are confusing "suspicion" with "certainty". The TCs supposedly suspect that the "evil" GCs will harm them somehow if they accept democracy and human right for all.

On the other hand we know with certainty that TCs want to take away our lands and legalize the violation of our rights since they put a gun on our head and demands from us to SIGN our lands and rights away.

We can also suspect many things based on the "evil TC" theories, just like TCs can suspect things based on the "evil GC" theories. E.g. we can suspect that once some solution is found, then the TCs will again start some conflict in order to use it as an excuse for Turkey to invade again and take an even bigger part of Cyprus this time. This is a suspicion which is equivalent to the TC suspicions, but we are not using our suspicions as arguments, because suspicions can be limited only by ones imagination.

So stop confusing the arbitrary and limitless suspicions that the TCs (and GCs) might have, with the certainty of the fact that TCs want us to sign away our lands and rights.

We need a period of grieving and healing to get us out of the denial and anger and depression,and onto acceptance,forgiveness,and reconciliation...This is teh vital step which is missing in Cyprus...Without it we can talk about democracy,human rights,peace,justice..but none of it will come out way...

Earlier I proposed this "solution": <<A "solution" where the GCs would get all their rights and lands back (and even more), but TCs would not get any representation, neither they will be allowed to contact international trade. These rights will be given to TCs only if / when we would forgive and accept them.>>

You said such solution would be terrible. Why? Answer this question, and then you will realize why violating the human rights of GCs and stealing their lands can not possibly be the way to achieve what you want to achieve, but exactly the opposide

As long as we insist on apportioning blame,talking about who suffered most and longest,and as long as we fail to see the other side's pain and suffering,we will get nowhere...I am talking to both sides here...This is getting serious...We have a window of opportunity now to change things fundamentally,and allow for true democracy to emerge...The first practical step I would suggest is the establishment of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....to acknowledge all the wrongs done,and allow people to grieve and heal after their horrible losses...And please don't make the mistake of thinking that the TCs pain and suffering is less than the GCs because they died in smaller numbers,or for a shorter time,or in the hand of their own people...There is an awful lot of denial happening on this Forum,denial to acknowledge one's own side's mistakes,and refusal to believe the pain and suffering of the other side...We are truly damned...I can see no way out of this unless we drastically change our attitudes and decide to give understanding and compassion a change....And I am not sure if most of us are mature enough to do this...

Bir, again you fail to see a hugely important difference:

The TCs appropriate blame in order to use it as an excuse for even more crimes against us today and in the future.

What I, and most GCs do, is simply to reply to the distorted history some TCs are trying to present in order to restore historical truth. We are not trying to use history as an excuse to punish TCs today or in the future.

Personally I never denied the suffering of TCs, and if the TCs didn't try to use their past suffering as an excuse to commit even more crimes and illegalities against us, then I wouldn't need to remind them the other 99% of the historical facts they conveniently choose to forget.

The pattern of blame appropriation in the forum is very clear:

GC: Lets finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all.

TC: No. You are evil and we do not trust you because in 63-74 you did such and such. You are guilty and you will be punished.

GC: What about your crimes between 58-74? What about 74-2008? What about 1571-1878? If we are going to appropriate blame based on past events then obviously you are the ones who have most of it. So how can you demand our punishment?

So it is clear who initiates the blame game. Thats the ones who want to use the past as an excuse for even more crimes today and in the future.

[Piratis]

For every well trained GC national guard there are more than 10 well trained Turkish Soldiers, Turkey will never go to war with south unless it is threatened, it will never attack unless attacked, so if the view that some GCs have expressed that they can whip Turkeys arse then let them try but never forget you have to swallow the consequences and go around crying to the world that you were right, which of course GCs have a lot of experience in unfortunately for them no one gives a shit.

Turkeys assimilation has started where have you been? without winning over the TCs they will never rebel, because there is no alternative both ends of the stick are shitty, for now Turkeys side is less shitty.

Turkey has already attacked Cyprus and it is illegally occupying 1/3rd of our country and violating the sovereignty of the one and only state in Cyprus: Republic of Cyprus. The war that Turkey started in 1974 will end when the Turkish occupation troops are out of Cyprus and legality is restored. Meanwhile the war that Turkey started in 1974 is still going on, and Cyprus has every right to defend itself from the foreign aggressors.