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[humanist]

I think the Christofias government, following Talat's tantrum throwing behaviour which sets his people back another 30 years. Ought to draw a plan of a partition based solution of 82 - 18 and submitt that to the UN. Lets finish this story once and for all. With stipulations that no TC can even take up residency in the RoC. Then you'll see the Cypro solved.

[BirKibrisli]

The question you should realy ask yourself is this:

Why did the TCs feel the need to distance themselves from the GCs by first siding with the British,and later by turning to Turkey for survival...????

You might also like to think of why the TCs felt less Cypriot than Turkish after 400 years of living in Cyprus????

Until you do that and come up with some sensible answers you are only peddling hatred and bitterness towards one group of Cypriots you need to convince you are a nice guy,in order to have a realistic solution to Cyprob....

And I am not going to give you any hints either...Lets see what you come up with your great googling skills...

Irrelevant rubbish! Read the thread again... it highlights some of the various Turkish Cypriot crimes HAPPENING TODAY not 50 years ago!

If your intention is to sabotage any possible solution other than what you think is the only desirable one,you are doing a great job,GR...

Thank you.

It looks like Bir didn't even bother to read the article and just went straight on the defensive instinctively, EXACTLY what this thread says is happening... TC acquittal of responsibility!

Of course it is irrevelant rubbish...When you have no anwer to it,it is irrevelant rubbish...I know what you are highlighting,GR. My point is what is happenening today in the North of our country has its beginning in our recent history...You mentioned the figure 50 years,so you know some things happened around that time and earlier and later than that as well...Now show some guts and confess to the historical facts which have led to the present situation...It is facile and reprehensible to blame the co-victims of any tragedy solely,and idiotic to expect them to agree with you...

[Get Real!]

The question you should realy ask yourself is this:

Why did the TCs feel the need to distance themselves from the GCs by first siding with the British,and later by turning to Turkey for survival...????

You might also like to think of why the TCs felt less Cypriot than Turkish after 400 years of living in Cyprus????

Until you do that and come up with some sensible answers you are only peddling hatred and bitterness towards one group of Cypriots you need to convince you are a nice guy,in order to have a realistic solution to Cyprob....

And I am not going to give you any hints either...Lets see what you come up with your great googling skills...

Irrelevant rubbish! Read the thread again... it highlights some of the various Turkish Cypriot crimes HAPPENING TODAY not 50 years ago!

If your intention is to sabotage any possible solution other than what you think is the only desirable one,you are doing a great job,GR...

Thank you.

It looks like Bir didn't even bother to read the article and just went straight on the defensive instinctively, EXACTLY what this thread says is happening... TC acquittal of responsibility!

Of course it is irrevelant rubbish...When you have no anwer to it,it is irrevelant rubbish...I know what you are highlighting,GR. My point is what is happenening today in the North of our country has its beginning in our recent history...You mentioned the figure 50 years,so you know some things happened around that time and earlier and later than that as well...Now show some guts and confess to the historical facts which have led to the present situation...It is facile and reprehensible to blame the co-victims of any tragedy solely,and idiotic to expect them to agree with you...

Time and time again you are proving EXACTLY was this thread has set out to prove.

That you are JUSTIFYING TODAY’S Turkish Cypriot crimes because you feel Greek Cypriots “forced” Turkish Cypriot to do certain things in the past that somehow GRANTED the Turkish Cypriots a RIGHT to crime today and God knows for how many more years…

So according to BirKibrisli Turkish Cypriots now have a Allah-given right to crime!

I suppose it’s pointless to ask if DT’s father-in-law’s death just six moths ago at the hands of Turkish Cypriots is ALSO JUSTIFIED by something from the past, as you’ve seemingly already made your mind up to issue an ETERNAL ACQUITTAL OF RESPONSIBILITY to all Turkish Cypriots! Well done… the “Poor little Turkish Cypriot” syndrome strikes again!

You are incorrigible and pathetic!

[Piratis]

The question you should realy ask yourself is this:

Why did the TCs feel the need to distance themselves from the GCs by first siding with the British,and later by turning to Turkey for survival...????

You might also like to think of why the TCs felt less Cypriot than Turkish after 400 years of living in Cyprus????

Until you do that and come up with some sensible answers you are only peddling hatred and bitterness towards one group of Cypriots you need to convince you are a nice guy,in order to have a realistic solution to Cyprob....

And I am not going to give you any hints either...Lets see what you come up with your great googling skills...


If your intention is to sabotage any possible solution other than what you think is the only desirable one,you are doing a great job,GR...

Bir, I have given many times the only sensible answer as to why the TCs have sided and continue to side with the UK and Turkey. "Fear" or "survival" are not the main answers.

These two elements might have played a role only at the very beginning, and only because Turkey and the UK made sure to exaggerate this fear among TCs. Soon after however, greed replaced fear as the main drive of the TCs actions, when UK and Turkey promised to them a ton of unfair and disproportinal gains on the loss of the rest of Cypriots. Lets not forget that partition is not something that was first thought in 1974, but somehting that the TCs had been promised since the 50s, along with several other unfair gains on the loss of the rest of Cypriots, many of which were granted to them with the 1960 agreements that were forced on the Cypriot people.

The "divide and rule" practice for Cyprus was simple: Offer the minority a ton of unfair gains on the lost of the rest of people, make this minority actually believe that the have the right for such unfair gains, and then see them fight.

This was and continues to be the only sensible answer. If you disagree with me, then tell me what else other than greed makes TCs today to demand that any agreement should grand to their 18% minority the 30% of land? Such demands can not be explained with the "fear" or the "survival" theories. They demand such things simply because Turkey and UK continue to promise to them that they can have such unfair gains on our loss if the TCs continue to play their divide and rule game so that Turkey and the UK can continue to have troops and control over our island.

[Oracle]

The question you should realy ask yourself is this:

Why did the TCs feel the need to distance themselves from the GCs by first siding with the British,and later by turning to Turkey for survival...????

You might also like to think of why the TCs felt less Cypriot than Turkish after 400 years of living in Cyprus????

Until you do that and come up with some sensible answers you are only peddling hatred and bitterness towards one group of Cypriots you need to convince you are a nice guy,in order to have a realistic solution to Cyprob....

And I am not going to give you any hints either...Lets see what you come up with your great googling skills...

Irrelevant rubbish! Read the thread again... it highlights some of the various Turkish Cypriot crimes HAPPENING TODAY not 50 years ago!

If your intention is to sabotage any possible solution other than what you think is the only desirable one,you are doing a great job,GR...

Thank you.

It looks like Bir didn't even bother to read the article and just went straight on the defensive instinctively, EXACTLY what this thread says is happening... TC acquittal of responsibility!

Of course it is irrevelant rubbish...When you have no anwer to it,it is irrevelant rubbish...I know what you are highlighting,GR. My point is what is happenening today in the North of our country has its beginning in our recent history...You mentioned the figure 50 years,so you know some things happened around that time and earlier and later than that as well...Now show some guts and confess to the historical facts which have led to the present situation...It is facile and reprehensible to blame the co-victims of any tragedy solely,and idiotic to expect them to agree with you...

That's as good as saying the TCs are rightfully entitled to all they have "acquired" in the north.

You are not only condoning their behaviour and actions, but worse, you are trying to validate them with some one-sided reason from the past.

How do you validate us being assigned to only half our Island? How big was this crime to warrant such gross punishment?

Did we steal anything that was rightfully the Turks'?

[halil]

History lessons again .... from these series of writings we will able to understand how new settlement plans are forumed . it will take your time .some of you will not like , it will direct us some where ... be patient .

from ST ANTONY’S COLLEGE OXFORD

Independence, constitutional deadlock and conflict, 1960-1964
On 16 August 1960 the British flag came down over Cyprus ending eighty-two years
of colonial rule. But independence was a disappointment for the majority of the
island’s Greek Cypriot community. Not only was Enosis banned, the Turkish Cypriots
had been given a disproportionately large say in the government. It was unsurprising
that most attached very little legitimacy to the new Republic of Cyprus and hoped that
the island would eventually be able to unite with Greece. Most Turkish Cypriots saw
the arrangements that had been put in place as broadly acceptable, rather than
desirable. Nevertheless, many regretted that partition had not occurred. Given these
feelings, it was not long before reports emerged that extremists within both
communities were working to try to bring about Enosis or Taksim, by force of arms if
necessary.
In the meantime, several issues stoked tension between the two communities.
In addition to concerns over public appointments, a constitutional dispute arose over
the administration of the Greek and Turkish quarters in the main towns. The Greek
Cypriots held that it was impossible to establish separate municipalities as legally
required. They therefore wanted to negotiate a change to the constitution. The Turkish
Cypriots argued that the separate municipalities should be formed first. After that the
two sides could discuss the issue. In May 1963 talks on the issue collapsed. Both sides
now looked to see how they could change the state of affairs to suit their own
interests. In November 1963, despite having been warned against any such move by
the Greek Government, Archbishop Makarios, the Greek Cypriot President of Cyprus,
presented a series of thirteen constitutional amendments. Turkey immediately rejected
the proposals. In the weeks that followed tensions grew between the two
communities.
On 21 December 1963, fighting finally erupted in Nicosia. Within days the
conflict had spread across the island. Turkey readied itself for a military intervention.
However a crisis was averted. At the last moment, the three Guarantor Powers agreed
to establish a joint peacekeeping force under British leadership. In mid-January 1964
a peace conference was convened in London. It quickly failed. While the Greek Cypriots were determined to reduce the status of the Turkish Cypriot community to a
protected minority, the Turkish Cypriots sought the physical separation of the two
communities. In the weeks that followed fighting continued on the island and
Turkey again renewed its threat to intervene. On 4 March 1964, following several
weeks of debate, the United Nations Security Council authorised the creation of a
peacekeeping operation for the island – the United Nations Force in Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

History lessons again .... from these series of writings we will able to understand how new settlement plans are forumed . it will take your time .some of you will not like , it will direct us some where ... be patient .

from ST ANTONY’S COLLEGE OXFORD

Quit littering threads with irrelevant rubbish you do not even understand.

[halil]

We will se what the history says first .
from this history how we came up today negatiotion table . from this table what will come out ?

United Nations Mediation, 1964-1965
At the same time as it established a peacekeeping force, the Council also
recommended that the Secretary-General, in consultation with the parties and the
Guarantor Powers, designate a mediator to take charge of formal peacemaking
efforts. The first nominee for the post was Jose Rolz-Bennet, the Secretary-
General’s representative for Cyprus. However, he was rejected by Turkey on the
grounds that he did not have the required stature for the post and, surprisingly, lacked
a sufficient knowledge of the island. Instead, U Thant, the UN Secretary-General,
appointed Sakari Tuomioja, a Finnish diplomat to the position. While Tuomioja
viewed the problem as essentially international in nature and saw Enosis as the most
logical course for a settlement, he rejected union on the grounds that it would be
inappropriate for a UN official to propose a solution that would lead to the dissolution
of a UN member state.
Such concerns were not shared by the United States. In early June, following
another Turkish threat to intervene, Washington launched an independent initiative
under Dean Acheson, a former Secretary of State. In July he presented a plan to unite
Cyprus with Greece. In return for accepting this, Turkey would receive a sovereign
military base on the island. The Turkish Cypriots would also be given minority rights,
which would be overseen by a resident international commissioner. Makarios rejected
the proposal. Specifically, he argued that a sovereign Turkish base on the island was a
limitation to full Enosis and would give Ankara too strong a say in the island’s
affairs. Soon afterwards a second version of the plan was presented. This offered
Turkey a 50-year lease on a base, rather than full sovereignty. This time the offer was
rejected by the Greek Cypriots and by Turkey. After several further attempts to reach
an agreement, the United States was eventually forced to give up its effort.
Following the sudden death of Ambassador Tuomioja in August, the following
month U Thant appointed Galo Plaza Lasso as Mediator. Rather than approach
Cyprus as an international problem, Plaza instead saw it in communal terms. In March
1965 he presented a sixty-six page report that criticised both sides for not having
shown enough commitment to reaching a settlement. In terms of specific proposals,
while he understood the Greek Cypriot aspiration of Enosis, he believed that any
attempt at union should be held in voluntary abeyance. For their part, the Turkish
Cypriots should refrain from demanding a federal solution to the problem.
Controversially, he also agreed that the abrogation of the core constitutional treaties
by the Greek Cypriots should be recognised. Although the Greek Cypriots eventually
accepted the report, in spite of its opposition to immediate Enosis, Turkey and the
Turkish Cypriots rejected the plan and called on Plaza to resign on the grounds that he
had exceeded his mandate. He was not authorised to submit proposals. He was simply
meant to broker an agreement. But the Greek Cypriots made it clear that if Galo Plaza
resigned they would refuse to accept a replacement. U Thant was left with no choice
but to abandon the mediation effort. Instead he decided to make his Good Offices
available to the two sides. The end of mediation effort was effectively confirmed
when, at the end of the year, Plaza resigned and was not replaced.

[Oracle]

Halil are you deliberately setting out to make us hate you?

Your posts are a sham!

We are here to discuss with opinions, not impatiently scroll past all your junk / SPAM the whole time.

[Get Real!]

We will se what the history says first .
from this history how we came up today negatiotion table . from this table what will come out ?

An illiterate clown like you first needs to learn how to READ & WRITE the basics of the English language, then start respecting author’s COPYRIGHTS by refraining from plagiarizing, and finally provide an answer WHY the Turkish Cypriot community engages in CRIMINAL ACTS…