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[miltiades]

ELIKO ONCE AGAIN GIVING US THE WRONG ANSWER ""
""""""Get Real however, presented HIS case differently, he suggested that ALL the past waffle should be committed to the pages of failed history, he would rely on the bold strategy of military action 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' that does not imply that he would declare 'WAR' merely that he would rely on the threat of it to gain support. """

Bullshit again , he never said 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL'

This is what he said and YOU supported " """""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"

Eliko , where the hell did you get 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' Are you reading your own views ?
And how come you found my views "YOU, advocated continuing a series of non productive talks which (in one form or another) have been dragging on for 'Donkey's Years'.

Where did I advocate these views , Bullshit again Eliko , this is what I said " My position is that a solution must be negotiated on the political arena
using the EU and the International community and most certainly not war.
Now let us see who wants a military war or the political war we are currently involved in. """

What is disturbing on my above comments , where do you see weakness ?? Oh I forgot your natural tendencies to interpret events WRONGLY !
WRONG AGAIN ELIKO !!

As was Clearly explained to you earlier miltiades, (in another thread) the reason for my vote in favour of Get Real was:-

That whereas your position indicated weakness, Get Real's indicated strength and I interpreted his 'MEANING' to be:-

That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm.

They were NOT his exact words, they represent what I considered his intentions to be.

In YOUR case, a failure of negotiations would represent another prolonged series of useless and non-productive discussions.

YOU are the one that is unable to grasp the significance of anything that is not in concert with your own rigid views, understandable for a man of your age but still quite sad.

Don't worry about it miltiades, It is only a 'GAME'.

Good Morning Eliko,
You quote Chief of Staff GR as saying, "That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm." I cannot for the life of me remember where he has said that in conjunction with his Military options. GR, may have used that phrase elsewhere, but in this 'mini debate' I have been unable to find the link. IMO, GR stated that evrything else HAS failed, and that there is no other option.

Could you please point me to the page, so I can clear my mind on this matter.

Thank you.

Any new poll should be in three parts, Suicide bombers, nuclear proliferation and the Ctprus problem are very different issues.

Than you

Unfortunately, Miltiades always endeavors to manipulate the context of other persons arguments. We have seen it with his rants against GR and his accusations of war mongering, which was clearly not the case. We also see it with his ongoing debate with Eliko as I do not recall any post where Eliko has provided any kind of support for suicide bombings, nuclear proliferation other than for domestic uses, or him publically supporting Mugabe, Suddam, or Iran. Just because Eliko chooses to analyse world events in a more unbiased and balanced manner, Miltiades chooses to tarnish Eliko's reputation merely because Eliko's views do not comply with his own. He endeavors to obtain the upper hand by manipulating the context of all differing views to his own due to his ineptitude in understanding complex debate and prefers to classify all things as either black and white in order to simplify the subject matter and hence make it easier for his simplistic intellect. He also counters all differing views by manipulating there context.

Interpreting events as they appear and not as I would like them to appear
comes from my background as an accountant where only factual and accurate figures can be implemented on a balance sheet .
Eliko has on numerous posts expressed his approval of the means used by the suicide killers by merely stating " what else can they do " This indicates to any simpleton that he approves of their savage methods.
On Robert Mugabe , some time back he reprimanded me for showing disrespect against this horrid despot while at the same time excelling his own respect for Mugabes' resilience .
You appear to project or endeavouring to project an image of your self as a highly intellectual person but you fail miserably by denigrating my intelligence purely on the grounds that I find your views along with GRs and Eliko , on the subject of the Cyprus problem , as non constructive and thoroughly shameful.

[Paphitis]

G'day guys,

Why don't you guys just settle this once and for all? You can open a new thread + poll, and both of you can express your views, and then forum members can vote for either one of you that they believe is more coherent, and balanced.

In the mean time I will run a bookkeeping service where members can bet on who will win. I will now provide the odds.

Miltiades 100/1
Eliko 1.05/1 (Clear favourite) - may need to shorten at a later date

I think this would be especially good as it would prevent Eliko from waisting anymore of his valuable time and superior intelligence with the forum fool.

Thanks for your compliment , I shall not reciprocate however , but can you justify your assertions by perhaps indicating to all watchers as to the areas in question where my foolishness was displayed , was it perhaps my commitment to the continuation of negotiations in order to reach a viable solution and my opposition to the notion that you and others supported that there is no further point in having such negotiations and ONLY WAR will resolve our predicament.
Go on Plonker put up or shut up.

You have just proven your foolishness once again with your post.

YOU are not the only one who supports the continuation for negotiations, but your post seems to imply that you are the only champion for the negotiations. GR, Eliko, Oracle, and just about all other members on this forum, also support the negotiations and would love for a fair and viable solution to eventuate founded on common democratic principles. There are no war mongers as you imply. This is another example of you manipulating the context of other member's posts so that you can some how obtain the upper hand.

I have never ever stated on this forum that WAR is the only option. But I have stated the WAR could become the only option when all other means for a negotiated settlement have finished. This does not classify me as a war monger. You on the other hand rule out any military options and by doing so, also indicate the weakness of your conviction and character and you also jeopardise any serious bargainning power that our side may have.

[denizaksulu]

ELIKO ONCE AGAIN GIVING US THE WRONG ANSWER ""
""""""Get Real however, presented HIS case differently, he suggested that ALL the past waffle should be committed to the pages of failed history, he would rely on the bold strategy of military action 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' that does not imply that he would declare 'WAR' merely that he would rely on the threat of it to gain support. """

Bullshit again , he never said 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL'

This is what he said and YOU supported " """""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"

Eliko , where the hell did you get 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' Are you reading your own views ?
And how come you found my views "YOU, advocated continuing a series of non productive talks which (in one form or another) have been dragging on for 'Donkey's Years'.

Where did I advocate these views , Bullshit again Eliko , this is what I said " My position is that a solution must be negotiated on the political arena
using the EU and the International community and most certainly not war.
Now let us see who wants a military war or the political war we are currently involved in. """

What is disturbing on my above comments , where do you see weakness ?? Oh I forgot your natural tendencies to interpret events WRONGLY !
WRONG AGAIN ELIKO !!

As was Clearly explained to you earlier miltiades, (in another thread) the reason for my vote in favour of Get Real was:-

That whereas your position indicated weakness, Get Real's indicated strength and I interpreted his 'MEANING' to be:-

That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm.

They were NOT his exact words, they represent what I considered his intentions to be.

In YOUR case, a failure of negotiations would represent another prolonged series of useless and non-productive discussions.

YOU are the one that is unable to grasp the significance of anything that is not in concert with your own rigid views, understandable for a man of your age but still quite sad.

Don't worry about it miltiades, It is only a 'GAME'.

Good Morning Eliko,
You quote Chief of Staff GR as saying, "That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm." I cannot for the life of me remember where he has said that in conjunction with his Military options. GR, may have used that phrase elsewhere, but in this 'mini debate' I have been unable to find the link. IMO, GR stated that evrything else HAS failed, and that there is no other option.

Could you please point me to the page, so I can clear my mind on this matter.

Thank you.

Any new poll should be in three parts, Suicide bombers, nuclear proliferation and the Ctprus problem are very different issues.

Than you

Unfortunately, Miltiades always endeavors to manipulate the context of other persons arguments. We have seen it with his rants against GR and his accusations of war mongering, which was clearly not the case. We also see it with his ongoing debate with Eliko as I do not recall any post where Eliko has provided any kind of support for suicide bombings, nuclear proliferation other than for domestic uses, or him publically supporting Mugabe, Suddam, or Iran. Just because Eliko chooses to analyse world events in a more unbiased and balanced manner, Miltiades chooses to tarnish Eliko's reputation merely because Eliko's views do not comply with his own. He endeavors to obtain the upper hand by manipulating the context of all differing views to his own due to his ineptitude in understanding complex debate and prefers to classify all things as either black and white in order to simplify the subject matter and hence make it easier for his simplistic intellect. He also counters all differing views by manipulating there context.

Thank you tre Bafidis ( so is Miltiades a Bafidi ) for your explanation, thats why the separate polls will reflect this. Miltiades knows very well my views on American foreign policies, thats why we avoid those issues.
It would be better to keep the Americans out of the Cyprus prob but it seems unavoidable due to the USA policies of .............You know what I mean. I do not wish to poison 'my coffee afternoon' with Miltiades.

[Eliko]

ELIKO ONCE AGAIN GIVING US THE WRONG ANSWER ""
""""""Get Real however, presented HIS case differently, he suggested that ALL the past waffle should be committed to the pages of failed history, he would rely on the bold strategy of military action 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' that does not imply that he would declare 'WAR' merely that he would rely on the threat of it to gain support. """

Bullshit again , he never said 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL'

This is what he said and YOU supported " """""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"

Eliko , where the hell did you get 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' Are you reading your own views ?
And how come you found my views "YOU, advocated continuing a series of non productive talks which (in one form or another) have been dragging on for 'Donkey's Years'.

Where did I advocate these views , Bullshit again Eliko , this is what I said " My position is that a solution must be negotiated on the political arena
using the EU and the International community and most certainly not war.
Now let us see who wants a military war or the political war we are currently involved in. """

What is disturbing on my above comments , where do you see weakness ?? Oh I forgot your natural tendencies to interpret events WRONGLY !
WRONG AGAIN ELIKO !!

As was Clearly explained to you earlier miltiades, (in another thread) the reason for my vote in favour of Get Real was:-

That whereas your position indicated weakness, Get Real's indicated strength and I interpreted his 'MEANING' to be:-

That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm.

They were NOT his exact words, they represent what I considered his intentions to be.

In YOUR case, a failure of negotiations would represent another prolonged series of useless and non-productive discussions.

YOU are the one that is unable to grasp the significance of anything that is not in concert with your own rigid views, understandable for a man of your age but still quite sad.

Don't worry about it miltiades, It is only a 'GAME'.

Good Morning Eliko,
You quote Chief of Staff GR as saying, "That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm." I cannot for the life of me remember where he has said that in conjunction with his Military options. GR, may have used that phrase elsewhere, but in this 'mini debate' I have been unable to find the link. IMO, GR stated that evrything else HAS failed, and that there is no other option.

Could you please point me to the page, so I can clear my mind on this matter.

Thank you.

Any new poll should be in three parts, Suicide bombers, nuclear proliferation and the Ctprus problem are very different issues.

Than you

Denizaksulu, thank you for your interest and may I explain the 'Origin' of that which miltiades has persistently chosen to refer to:-

"SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL"......................................................?.

I think I made it quite clear that those words should be attributed to MY OWN interpretation of what Get Real's mandate suggested to me.

miltiades sees the issue (in the poll) as a clear cut choice between 'WAR and PEACE' whereas I (together with many others I'm sure) do not.

I saw the choice quite simply as a matter of selecting the weakness of miltiades's approach ( a continuation of non-productive negotiations) which would drag on for another few years and,

Get Real's, which seemed to exude a little more strength of character in that he (I think) reserved the right to decide the matter by force of arms.

I cannot really see what all the fuss is about (other than perhaps miltiades's desire to achieve a small victory over his obvious foe) since ultimately we only play games here and the poll is actually meaningless.

Regardless of the foregoing, if the poll was re-run, I would still opt for Get Real, seriously, could you imagine the weakness of miltiades pitted against the strengths of those that are in control of Cyprus's destiny.

Do me a favour Denizaksulu, we are in trouble enough already.

In my humble opinion of course. (and no disrespect to anyone).

[Oracle]

ELIKO ONCE AGAIN GIVING US THE WRONG ANSWER ""
""""""Get Real however, presented HIS case differently, he suggested that ALL the past waffle should be committed to the pages of failed history, he would rely on the bold strategy of military action 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' that does not imply that he would declare 'WAR' merely that he would rely on the threat of it to gain support. """

Bullshit again , he never said 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL'

This is what he said and YOU supported " """""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"

Eliko , where the hell did you get 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' Are you reading your own views ?
And how come you found my views "YOU, advocated continuing a series of non productive talks which (in one form or another) have been dragging on for 'Donkey's Years'.

Where did I advocate these views , Bullshit again Eliko , this is what I said " My position is that a solution must be negotiated on the political arena
using the EU and the International community and most certainly not war.
Now let us see who wants a military war or the political war we are currently involved in. """

What is disturbing on my above comments , where do you see weakness ?? Oh I forgot your natural tendencies to interpret events WRONGLY !
WRONG AGAIN ELIKO !!

As was Clearly explained to you earlier miltiades, (in another thread) the reason for my vote in favour of Get Real was:-

That whereas your position indicated weakness, Get Real's indicated strength and I interpreted his 'MEANING' to be:-

That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm.

They were NOT his exact words, they represent what I considered his intentions to be.

In YOUR case, a failure of negotiations would represent another prolonged series of useless and non-productive discussions.

YOU are the one that is unable to grasp the significance of anything that is not in concert with your own rigid views, understandable for a man of your age but still quite sad.

Don't worry about it miltiades, It is only a 'GAME'.

Good Morning Eliko,
You quote Chief of Staff GR as saying, "That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm." I cannot for the life of me remember where he has said that in conjunction with his Military options. GR, may have used that phrase elsewhere, but in this 'mini debate' I have been unable to find the link. IMO, GR stated that evrything else HAS failed, and that there is no other option.

Could you please point me to the page, so I can clear my mind on this matter.

Thank you.

Any new poll should be in three parts, Suicide bombers, nuclear proliferation and the Ctprus problem are very different issues.

Than you

Denizaksulu, thank you for your interest and may I explain the 'Origin' of that which miltiades has persistently chosen to refer to:-

"SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL"......................................................?.

I think I made it quite clear that those words should be attributed to MY OWN interpretation of what Get Real's mandate suggested to me.

miltiades sees the issue (in the poll) as a clear cut choice between 'WAR and PEACE' whereas I (together with many others I'm sure) do not.

I saw the choice quite simply as a matter of selecting the weakness of miltiades's approach ( a continuation of non-productive negotiations) which would drag on for another few years and,

Get Real's, which seemed to exude a little more strength of character in that he (I think) reserved the right to decide the matter by force of arms.

I cannot really see what all the fuss is about (other than perhaps miltiades's desire to achieve a small victory over his obvious foe) since ultimately we only play games here and the poll is actually meaningless.

Regardless of the foregoing, if the poll was re-run, I would still opt for Get Real, seriously, could you imagine the weakness of miltiades pitted against the strengths of those that are in control of Cyprus's destiny.

Do me a favour Denizaksulu, we are in trouble enough already.

In my humble opinion of course. (and no disrespect to anyone).

Unfortunately in real life Get Real! may be the kind of Politician we want and need ... but Miltiades is the type we actually get!

[denizaksulu]

ELIKO ONCE AGAIN GIVING US THE WRONG ANSWER ""
""""""Get Real however, presented HIS case differently, he suggested that ALL the past waffle should be committed to the pages of failed history, he would rely on the bold strategy of military action 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' that does not imply that he would declare 'WAR' merely that he would rely on the threat of it to gain support. """

Bullshit again , he never said 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL'

This is what he said and YOU supported " """""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"

Eliko , where the hell did you get 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' Are you reading your own views ?
And how come you found my views "YOU, advocated continuing a series of non productive talks which (in one form or another) have been dragging on for 'Donkey's Years'.

Where did I advocate these views , Bullshit again Eliko , this is what I said " My position is that a solution must be negotiated on the political arena
using the EU and the International community and most certainly not war.
Now let us see who wants a military war or the political war we are currently involved in. """

What is disturbing on my above comments , where do you see weakness ?? Oh I forgot your natural tendencies to interpret events WRONGLY !
WRONG AGAIN ELIKO !!

As was Clearly explained to you earlier miltiades, (in another thread) the reason for my vote in favour of Get Real was:-

That whereas your position indicated weakness, Get Real's indicated strength and I interpreted his 'MEANING' to be:-

That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm.

They were NOT his exact words, they represent what I considered his intentions to be.

In YOUR case, a failure of negotiations would represent another prolonged series of useless and non-productive discussions.

YOU are the one that is unable to grasp the significance of anything that is not in concert with your own rigid views, understandable for a man of your age but still quite sad.

Don't worry about it miltiades, It is only a 'GAME'.

Good Morning Eliko,
You quote Chief of Staff GR as saying, "That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm." I cannot for the life of me remember where he has said that in conjunction with his Military options. GR, may have used that phrase elsewhere, but in this 'mini debate' I have been unable to find the link. IMO, GR stated that evrything else HAS failed, and that there is no other option.

Could you please point me to the page, so I can clear my mind on this matter.

Thank you.

Any new poll should be in three parts, Suicide bombers, nuclear proliferation and the Ctprus problem are very different issues.

Than you

Denizaksulu, thank you for your interest and may I explain the 'Origin' of that which miltiades has persistently chosen to refer to:-

"SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL"......................................................?.

I think I made it quite clear that those words should be attributed to MY OWN interpretation of what Get Real's mandate suggested to me.

miltiades sees the issue (in the poll) as a clear cut choice between 'WAR and PEACE' whereas I (together with many others I'm sure) do not.

I saw the choice quite simply as a matter of selecting the weakness of miltiades's approach ( a continuation of non-productive negotiations) which would drag on for another few years and,

Get Real's, which seemed to exude a little more strength of character in that he (I think) reserved the right to decide the matter by force of arms.

I cannot really see what all the fuss is about (other than perhaps miltiades's desire to achieve a small victory over his obvious foe) since ultimately we only play games here and the poll is actually meaningless.

Regardless of the foregoing, if the poll was re-run, I would still opt for Get Real, seriously, could you imagine the weakness of miltiades pitted against the strengths of those that are in control of Cyprus's destiny.

Do me a favour Denizaksulu, we are in trouble enough already.

In my humble opinion of course. (and no disrespect to anyone).

With respect, I would hate to have GR at the negotiating table with his bellicose attitude. I would much prefer the current negotiators which you call the. " ]those that are in control of Cyprus's destiny".
Is it possible that you may have mis - interpretted GRs intentions just like the western powers and media have mis-contrued Ahmad-i Nejads speech. I may be wrong. When I re-read GRs post on the matter we shall continue.

It is sad that you consider each other as foes. Surely you both wish for the same outcome (as do a number of TCs). The only difference is the method you apply to the prob. A serious negotiation and peace settlement will have more everlasting results that any 'war'. The GCs will never rest until there is a solution and all losses are regained. In any other was where if 'Turkey' loses, do you think they will sit back and and smoke their Narghiles'? I think not. So forget about GRs War. PLEASE Eliko.

[denizaksulu]

ELIKO ONCE AGAIN GIVING US THE WRONG ANSWER ""
""""""Get Real however, presented HIS case differently, he suggested that ALL the past waffle should be committed to the pages of failed history, he would rely on the bold strategy of military action 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' that does not imply that he would declare 'WAR' merely that he would rely on the threat of it to gain support. """

Bullshit again , he never said 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL'

This is what he said and YOU supported " """""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"

Eliko , where the hell did you get 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' Are you reading your own views ?
And how come you found my views "YOU, advocated continuing a series of non productive talks which (in one form or another) have been dragging on for 'Donkey's Years'.

Where did I advocate these views , Bullshit again Eliko , this is what I said " My position is that a solution must be negotiated on the political arena
using the EU and the International community and most certainly not war.
Now let us see who wants a military war or the political war we are currently involved in. """

What is disturbing on my above comments , where do you see weakness ?? Oh I forgot your natural tendencies to interpret events WRONGLY !
WRONG AGAIN ELIKO !!

As was Clearly explained to you earlier miltiades, (in another thread) the reason for my vote in favour of Get Real was:-

That whereas your position indicated weakness, Get Real's indicated strength and I interpreted his 'MEANING' to be:-

That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm.

They were NOT his exact words, they represent what I considered his intentions to be.

In YOUR case, a failure of negotiations would represent another prolonged series of useless and non-productive discussions.

YOU are the one that is unable to grasp the significance of anything that is not in concert with your own rigid views, understandable for a man of your age but still quite sad.

Don't worry about it miltiades, It is only a 'GAME'.

Good Morning Eliko,
You quote Chief of Staff GR as saying, "That 'SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL' he would rely on the military options available to hm." I cannot for the life of me remember where he has said that in conjunction with his Military options. GR, may have used that phrase elsewhere, but in this 'mini debate' I have been unable to find the link. IMO, GR stated that evrything else HAS failed, and that there is no other option.

Could you please point me to the page, so I can clear my mind on this matter.

Thank you.

Any new poll should be in three parts, Suicide bombers, nuclear proliferation and the Ctprus problem are very different issues.

Than you

Denizaksulu, thank you for your interest and may I explain the 'Origin' of that which miltiades has persistently chosen to refer to:-

"SHOULD NEGOTIATIONS FAIL"......................................................?.

I think I made it quite clear that those words should be attributed to MY OWN interpretation of what Get Real's mandate suggested to me.

miltiades sees the issue (in the poll) as a clear cut choice between 'WAR and PEACE' whereas I (together with many others I'm sure) do not.

I saw the choice quite simply as a matter of selecting the weakness of miltiades's approach ( a continuation of non-productive negotiations) which would drag on for another few years and,

Get Real's, which seemed to exude a little more strength of character in that he (I think) reserved the right to decide the matter by force of arms.

I cannot really see what all the fuss is about (other than perhaps miltiades's desire to achieve a small victory over his obvious foe) since ultimately we only play games here and the poll is actually meaningless.

Regardless of the foregoing, if the poll was re-run, I would still opt for Get Real, seriously, could you imagine the weakness of miltiades pitted against the strengths of those that are in control of Cyprus's destiny.

Do me a favour Denizaksulu, we are in trouble enough already.

In my humble opinion of course. (and no disrespect to anyone).

Unfortunately in real life Get Real! may be the kind of Politician we want and need ... but Miltiades is the type we actually get!

Good Morning Lady O. I hope you have recovered from last nights exertions?

Perhaps a poll to choose a chief negotiator for the Cyprob would be appropriate. For all to vote for. (but maybe GCs only vote for the GC team.

[Eliko]

My position is exactly that of the ROC , continue negotiations for a meaningful solution , where is the weakness in this !!!! This position is also that of the UN and the EU !! Yet Eliko sees weakness . The mind boggles , I think your best suited in exchanging one liner innuendos with Oracle that way both of you are out of harms way !!
This way you will NOT be taken seriously anymore than your avatar , indicative of the trifling views of the owner !!

miltiades, you have (unwittingly I'm sure) raised a very interesting topic with your insulting response (above).

The subject of 'Singlemindedness'

You seem to be gifted with it in one area only, the ability to offer insult to anything you cannot fully comprehend.

You should know that (in certain circumstances) such an ability is an asset in that it focuses attention on an objective, it should always be applied when dealing with something 'Positive' but never associated with 'Negativity' and I will elucidate.

It is generally accepted in the medical profession (particularly in those areas which deal with 'Mental Health') I refer specifically to 'The Criminally Insane' rather than 'The Mentally Ill' that 'Negative Singlemindedness' is a trait too commonly found among paedophiles, perverts and child abusers, together with rapists and the list goes on.

It would appear that such traits are the result of a feeling of inadequacy by the one who suffers with the complaint (it is referred to as such in the journals) and treatment is often dependant on the patient's willingness to accept his/her failings.

In the event of the patient failing to address their problem, they invariably attempt to supress their feelings with the result that they are apt to insult and abuse those whom they perceive to be their superiors, interestingly, because of their tortured perceptions, they develop a very strong need to condemn the very complaint they suffer from which is why they are so difficult to identify.

I am sure you will find the above quite boring miltiades, therefore I will move on.

'The Fertile Mind' those who do not possess one, often insult and abuse those that do and I will elucidate.

Oracle and I had a little fun excercising our 'Fertile Minds' in a harmless fashion last night.

Simply because you have not the capacity to contribute in such rapid exchanges, the only option left open for you is to revert to your favourite pastime, 'Insult and Abuse' (which is precisely what you invariably do) as is evidenced above.

miltiades, I think you need some professional help, seek it I beg you, lest your apparent 'Negative Singlemindedness' masters your mental capacities.

[miltiades]

My position is exactly that of the ROC , continue negotiations for a meaningful solution , where is the weakness in this !!!! This position is also that of the UN and the EU !! Yet Eliko sees weakness . The mind boggles , I think your best suited in exchanging one liner innuendos with Oracle that way both of you are out of harms way !!
This way you will NOT be taken seriously anymore than your avatar , indicative of the trifling views of the owner !!

miltiades, you have (unwittingly I'm sure) raised a very interesting topic with your insulting response (above).

The subject of 'Singlemindedness'

You seem to be gifted with it in one area only, the ability to offer insult to anything you cannot fully comprehend.

You should know that (in certain circumstances) such an ability is an asset in that it focuses attention on an objective, it should always be applied when dealing with something 'Positive' but never associated with 'Negativity' and I will elucidate.

It is generally accepted in the medical profession (particularly in those areas which deal with 'Mental Health') I refer specifically to 'The Criminally Insane' rather than 'The Mentally Ill' that 'Negative Singlemindedness' is a trait too commonly found among paedophiles, perverts and child abusers, together with rapists and the list goes on.

It would appear that such traits are the result of a feeling of inadequacy by the one who suffers with the complaint (it is referred to as such in the journals) and treatment is often dependant on the patient's willingness to accept his/her failings.

In the event of the patient failing to address their problem, they invariably attempt to supress their feelings with the result that they are apt to insult and abuse those whom they perceive to be their superiors, interestingly, because of their tortured perceptions, they develop a very strong need to condemn the very complaint they suffer from which is why they are so difficult to identify.

I am sure you will find the above quite boring miltiades, therefore I will move on.

'The Fertile Mind' those who do not possess one, often insult and abuse those that do and I will elucidate.

Oracle and I had a little fun excercising our 'Fertile Minds' in a harmless fashion last night.

Simply because you have not the capacity to contribute in such rapid exchanges, the only option left open for you is to revert to your favourite pastime, 'Insult and Abuse' (which is precisely what you invariably do) as is evidenced above.

miltiades, I think you need some professional help, seek it I beg you, lest your apparent 'Negative Singlemindedness' masters your mental capacities.

[miltiades]

Just so all can read again and understand that this rather eloquent individual NEVER INSULTS !!!!