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Postby Oracle » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:25 pm

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Sophia1 wrote:Sorry but whats the point being an Independent Country then? The British owe BILLIONS to Cyprus any way, thats what my dad said..

I'm still looking for such evidence. The best we came up with last year, (somewhere in the archives), was a small one-off payment.


I came across something a while back, which mentioned a substantial sum owing which only had to be paid if re-unification occurred ... It was in one of the mainstream UK papers ... but stupidly did not save it ... I'll look for it now.



The Times: February 27, 2004
Britain may get bill for a reunited Cyprus
From Michael Theodoulou in Cyprus

BRITAIN could be asked to pay millions of pounds for the facilities its sovereign military bases on Cyprus have used over the past 40 years, to help to finance reunification of the island.

Greek Cypriots fear that they will be asked to shoulder the financial burden of reunification with the impoverished northern half of Cyprus and are likely to seek international assistance.

The issue of compensation from Britain, which has not been broached at official level by Cyprus for at least a decade, was raised by Alexis Galanos, chairman of an economics advisory committee to President Papadopoulos.

Two strategic bases were retained by Britain when Cyprus won independence in 1960. As sovereign territory they are not subject to rent. But Cyp- riot officials say that Britain has a “binding obligation” by treaty to pay for the use of facilities such as roads, ports and public utilities.

“Great Britain owes us money for the facilities the Cyprus Republic offered to the British bases according to the treaty of establishment,” Mr Galanos said. “It’s not a question of rent.”

He said that his panel would recommend that Mr Papadopoulos raise the issue in discussions with Britain. The question of money could come within the context of an international donors’ conference to help to finance a Cyprus settlement. “I don’t know precisely how much money they owe, but the accumulated amount would be considerable,” Mr Galanos, added.

There is little affection on Cyprus for the British military presence, which most Cypriots regard as anachronistic. However, there has been almost no political opposition over the years, and few politicians are willing to alienate London.

Analysts said that Mr Galanos’s remarks are likely to be popular with Cypriots but could cause diplomatic waves.

“This is a particularly high-profile raising of the issue at a very sensitive time,” James Ker-Lindsay, a political analyst in Nicosia, said.

“Britain is aware that under a solution it will have to dip its hand in its pocket along with the EU and US. But this could put Britain on the defensive.”

In the event of a solution, Britain is already prepared to relinquish nearly half the 98 square miles covered by its two bases, which could be developed for tourism.

Intensive UN-brokered negotiations are under way in Nicosia that are aimed at reuniting the island under a federal system before it enters the EU in May.

Greek Cypriots, who are far better off than the isolated Turkish Cypriots, fear that the settlement bill could put an intolerable strain on their economy. They estimate it could reach £18.5 billion, about double the GDP of both areas combined. A large proportion of that represents compensation to people who will lose their land in the settlement, and the rest covers reconstruction costs and relocation of people affected by a redrawing of the boundaries between the two sides.

To encourage a settlement, the EU has pledged €259 million (£173 million) to the Turkish Cypriots in development aid for 2004-06.

A spokesman for the British High Commission in Nicosia said: “We acknowledge the importance of the international community providing the necessary financial assistance to underpin a settlement and we are working closely with the UN, the EU and the US to ensure this assistance is in place.”
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:31 am

Oracle wrote:“Great Britain owes us money for the facilities the Cyprus Republic offered to the British bases according to the treaty of establishment,” Mr Galanos said. “It’s not a question of rent.”


The treaty of establishment:

ARTICLE 7
The Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom accept and undertake to carry out the necessary financial and administrative arrangements to settle questions arising out of the termination of British administration in the territory of the Republic of Cyprus. These arrangements are set forth in Annex E to this Treaty

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Postby Oracle » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:41 am

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Oracle wrote:“Great Britain owes us money for the facilities the Cyprus Republic offered to the British bases according to the treaty of establishment,” Mr Galanos said. “It’s not a question of rent.”


The treaty of establishment:

ARTICLE 7
The Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom accept and undertake to carry out the necessary financial and administrative arrangements to settle questions arising out of the termination of British administration in the territory of the Republic of Cyprus. These arrangements are set forth in Annex E to this Treaty

:?


But they do owe the RoC money right?

But Cyp- riot officials say that Britain has a “binding obligation” by treaty to pay for the use of facilities such as roads, ports and public utilities.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:43 am

Good luck finding any money in here... :lol:

http://www.parliament.go.th/parcy/sapa_ ... Cyprus.htm
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:49 am

Get Real! wrote:Good luck finding any money in here... :lol:

http://www.parliament.go.th/parcy/sapa_ ... Cyprus.htm


I am sure the money is in one of those Annexes .... :wink:
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:54 am

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Get Real! wrote:Good luck finding any money in here... :lol:

http://www.parliament.go.th/parcy/sapa_ ... Cyprus.htm


I am sure the money is in one of those Annexes .... :wink:



You may well try and squeeze money out of Britain. They owed the Ottoman Empire monies due to the Cyprus Convention of 1878. It did not stop them make the Cypriots pay for it. The money is still owing. Plus the two warships. Never trust the British Goverment.
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Re: Cypriot President in London - did anyone notice?

Postby Feisty » Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:58 pm

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AQ wrote:By chance I noticed that Cypriot president Demetris Christofias was in London yesterday.

His visit received zero coverage in the UK press.

Cyprus problem?


Well perhaps that speaks volumes for the parochial, self-centred, introverted British press ... although God bless them they have been kept busy and out of the Fleet Street Pubs hotly reporting on the Credit Crunch and falling house rises and massive inflation and muggings and knifings and Brown's ineptitudes and Tory MPs' using Taxpayers money to pay for private nannies etc ..... :roll:


Newspapers exist to make money selling advertising and copy.
There are 60 million people in the UK. How many are interested in buying a newspaper that mentions a meeting between it's PM and the President of Cyprus which has a population of less than 800,000 and what they discussed.
Before you go attacking me, I have great sympathy with the Cyprus problem but it's not the reason I'd buy a newpaper. Most people only care about what concerns them, as yourselves. Most of you couldn't give a stuff about what is happening here.
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Re: Cypriot President in London - did anyone notice?

Postby Oracle » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:08 pm

Feisty wrote:
Oracle wrote:
AQ wrote:By chance I noticed that Cypriot president Demetris Christofias was in London yesterday.

His visit received zero coverage in the UK press.

Cyprus problem?


Well perhaps that speaks volumes for the parochial, self-centred, introverted British press ... although God bless them they have been kept busy and out of the Fleet Street Pubs hotly reporting on the Credit Crunch and falling house rises and massive inflation and muggings and knifings and Brown's ineptitudes and Tory MPs' using Taxpayers money to pay for private nannies etc ..... :roll:


Newspapers exist to make money selling advertising and copy.
There are 60 million people in the UK. How many are interested in buying a newspaper that mentions a meeting between it's PM and the President of Cyprus which has a population of less than 800,000 and what they discussed.
Before you go attacking me, I have great sympathy with the Cyprus problem but it's not the reason I'd buy a newpaper. Most people only care about what concerns them, as yourselves. Most of you couldn't give a stuff about what is happening here.


Don't judge others with your own shortcomings Feisty .....
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:17 pm

Bananiot wrote:Had it not been for Britain Cyprus would have never been allowed to become a member of the European Union with the Cyprob unsolved.


What an utter rubbish statement! What's the difference between the role Britain played for Cyprus' EU accession, and that of any other country out of the then 15 EU member states? All of them had to give their approval, and anyone of them could have blocked it! If one wants to point to a country that played an exceptional role in Cyprus' EU accession, that was Greece and not Britain! Everyone knows your monomaniac pro-British feelings, Bananiot, but the truth is and will remain that Britain historically has played some very dirty and unethical games against the people of Cyprus! It is a fact you will never manage to efface!
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