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[Viewpoint]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

The feeling is mutual, this is our country to, its clearly a fact you have not grasped and that is why your mentlity is no different from those in the 1960s who caused the divide.

So you answered Piratis' thread question:

Are we willing to share our country with Turkey?

... with a resounding "Yes!" .... you continue the crimes against us that GR refers to which include harbouring Turkey, and your only solution if we object is to split our country with a 20ft high wall.

Neither one of these, not a 20ft high wall nor continued attachments to Turkey are suitable solutions.

Yet those are the only two solutions you offer VP.

The solution I offer is a BBF with political equality of the 2 communities as backed by the UN and your leader, but its you that objects and throws around empty slogans and threats. You need to get a dose of reality if Turkey are our only real allies then of course we will side with them what do you expect us to do side with GCs who have only persecuted and discriminated against us, who cannot accept our community as being equal to their or even that we have just as much right to this island as you do. Reality you need to take a big does of it otherwise you can wait around like Piratis for swing in power and then blow us to kingdom come.

So BBF with no strings attached to Turkey ....

Only until we comfortable enough to cut those strongs, their guarantee can be only for the north state and end either when we both agree or if the enter the EU.

[Piratis]

I started no war. The last war has started on 20th of July 1974 when Turkey invaded the sovereign Republic of Cyprus. Since then what we have is a cease fire, not peace.

We have every right to defend our country from the foreign invader and fight for the liberation of our lands. If (as always) you side with the foreign invader in order to help them maintain their rule over our island, then the choice to go to war against the one and only legitimate state of Cyprus will be yours, and not ours.

I have no problem for you to have any safeguards you want, as long as you do not violate our human and democratic rights, and as long as you give us back our lands.

[miltiades]

[I'm surprised at Os perception of this metaphor that Bir used .
IT WAS METAPHORICALY USED ORACLE , HE WAS NOT REFFERING TO THE T/Cs being the victims of domestic violence !!!

Is there no end to the diminution in the level of your comprehension

Fully aware of the metaphor thank you, hence why my answer centred on the "victim" label and not on "domestic violence" ...

Now quit trying to act clever and go back to being a "Diplomat"...

Oracle stop fobbing me off , you

This is how he portrays the TCs to the world! The victims that we should concentrate on helping.

Who are the foreign powers to help ... but the abused TCs.

No, not help the GCs! whose country is occupied.. They are not suffering at the moment Piratis! The GCs are doing very well. They are in a position to help others.
Nonsense , don't kid your self that you are the only one with enough brain cells to comprehend . What you said is this "
This is how he portrays the TCs to the world! The victims that we should concentrate on helping.

Who are the foreign powers to help ... but the abused TCs.

[Viewpoint]

I started no war. The last war has started on 20th of July 1974 when Turkey invaded the sovereign Republic of Cyprus. Since then what we have is a cease fire, not peace.

We have every right to defend our country from the foreign invader and fight for the liberation of our lands. If (as always) you side with the foreign invader in order to help them maintain their rule over our island, then the choice to go to war against the one and only legitimate state of Cyprus will be yours, and not ours.

I have no problem for you to have any safeguards you want, as long as you do not violate our human and democratic rights, and as long as you give us back our lands.

Piratis get over the beating of your chest and chanting empty war cries, if you are gonna do it go ahead but be prepared for the outcome which you may not like just like the current situation you made this error in the past but it appears you have not learned your lesson.

We choose to side with our only ally Turkey because you were on the verge of slitting our throats so we fought for survival, we will never apologise for this. Now if you say you have changed and now accept us as an equal community to yours who need safeguards to take the step forward to unite under a BBF with political equality then we can move forwards otherwise as you always claim you have no alternative but to wait for your swing in power theory to materialize.

Why are you so afraid of providing safeguards on issues you say you will never utilize to our communities detrement, we do not trust you one iota and until we see actions that support your claims we will not budge.

[Oracle]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

The feeling is mutual, this is our country to, its clearly a fact you have not grasped and that is why your mentlity is no different from those in the 1960s who caused the divide.

So you answered Piratis' thread question:

Are we willing to share our country with Turkey?

... with a resounding "Yes!" .... you continue the crimes against us that GR refers to which include harbouring Turkey, and your only solution if we object is to split our country with a 20ft high wall.

Neither one of these, not a 20ft high wall nor continued attachments to Turkey are suitable solutions.

Yet those are the only two solutions you offer VP.

The solution I offer is a BBF with political equality of the 2 communities as backed by the UN and your leader, but its you that objects and throws around empty slogans and threats. You need to get a dose of reality if Turkey are our only real allies then of course we will side with them what do you expect us to do side with GCs who have only persecuted and discriminated against us, who cannot accept our community as being equal to their or even that we have just as much right to this island as you do. Reality you need to take a big does of it otherwise you can wait around like Piratis for swing in power and then blow us to kingdom come.

So BBF with no strings attached to Turkey ....

Only until we comfortable enough to cut those strongs, their guarantee can be only for the north state and end either when we both agree or if the enter the EU.

Viewpoint all you are asking for is exactly what you have already ... but with the EU thrown in as well.

You expansionist greedy Turk!

[Viewpoint]

So you do not want the Turkish army gone?

The settler reduced to a minimum?

Land return?

Right to live where you wish?

Return of Maraş?

One country?

What the hell do you want? No I already know that...

[Piratis]

I started no war. The last war has started on 20th of July 1974 when Turkey invaded the sovereign Republic of Cyprus. Since then what we have is a cease fire, not peace.

We have every right to defend our country from the foreign invader and fight for the liberation of our lands. If (as always) you side with the foreign invader in order to help them maintain their rule over our island, then the choice to go to war against the one and only legitimate state of Cyprus will be yours, and not ours.

I have no problem for you to have any safeguards you want, as long as you do not violate our human and democratic rights, and as long as you give us back our lands.

Piratis get over the beating of your chest and chanting empty war cries, if you are gonna do it go ahead but be prepared for the outcome which you may not like just like the current situation you made this error in the past but it appears you have not learned your lesson.

We choose to side with our only ally Turkey because you were on the verge of slitting our throats so we fought for survival, we will never apologise for this. Now if you say you have changed and now accept us as an equal community to yours who need safeguards to take the step forward to unite under a BBF with political equality then we can move forwards otherwise as you always claim you have no alternative but to wait for your swing in power theory to materialize.

Why are you so afraid of providing safeguards on issues you say you will never utilize to our communities detrement, we do not trust you one iota and until we see actions that support your claims we will not budge.

VP, the choice of war has always been yours. It is not us who kept invading you lands, you invaded ours and you continue trying to steal our lands from us. You have killed many 10s of thousands of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands and then you pretend to be the victim because in the wars you started against us you also lost some 100s of people!!

We are willing to forgive you for the harm and oppression you have caused to us in the past and you continue to cause us today, but we will not surrender our lands and rights to you. The era when you could impose your rule on your victims is over. It is about time you learn what democracy means, and allow the Cypriot people to finally rule themselves and their own island.

As I said I have no objection for your minority to take as many safeguards as you want, even way more than what you allow to the Kurdish minority to have in Turkey.

What I can not accept is for you to violate my human and democratic rights and to take our lands. Is it clear to you, or you want me to repeat the same thing a million more times?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

VP, the choice of war has always been yours. It is not us who kept invading you lands, you invaded ours and you continue trying to steal our lands from us. You have killed many 10s of thousands of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands and then you pretend to be the victim because in the wars you started against us you also lost some 100s of people!!

You never needed to invade a country as it was your own people you tried to brush to one side and place in danger gifting our country to a foreign country called Greece, all we did like any other human being was fight for survival, but of course you knew we could never survive without help and help we got.

We are willing to forgive you for the harm and oppression you have caused to us in the past and you continue to cause us today, but we will not surrender our lands and rights to you. The era when you could impose your rule on your victims is over. It is about time you learn what democracy means, and allow the Cypriot people to finally rule themselves and their own island.

We are also willing to forgive your crimes against us but we have learned our lesson the hard way and we will never again be put in danger again by people who claim to be our compatriots but do not see us as eqauls and want to use the majority advantage to our detrement.

As I said I have no objection for your minority to take as many safeguards as you want, even way more than what you allow to the Kurdish minority to have in Turkey.

What I can not accept is for you to violate my human and democratic rights and to take our lands. Is it clear to you, or you want me to repeat the same thing a million more times?

Safeguards are all we need to build trust and cooperation if in time we both prove ourselves these safeguards will become redendent but due to the lack of trust no TC will accept be left to the mercy of the GC majority.

[Piratis]

You never needed to invade a country as it was your own people you tried to brush to one side and place in danger gifting our country to a foreign country called Greece, all we did like any other human being was fight for survival, but of course you knew we could never survive without help and help we got.

We fought for our liberation from foreign oppressors just like the rest Greek islands and territories have done. You were the ones who have always attacked us and slaughtered us in an attempt to stop Cyprus from being liberated. Here is our first attempt for liberation:

"During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821."

It is you who should apologize for not allowing us to be free, not to expect from us to apologize because we wanted our freedom from foreign rulers!

We are also willing to forgive your crimes against us but we have learned our lesson the hard way and we will never again be put in danger again by people who claim to be our compatriots but do not see us as eqauls and want to use the majority advantage to our detrement.

Equality means one person one vote regardless of the ehtnic background. What you demand is not equality, but inequality, so you can have us like your Ottoman subjects again. We had enough of that already. We now want democracy and human rights. We are not going to get stuck in the middle ages just because it suits you that way.

Safeguards are all we need to build trust and cooperation if in time we both prove ourselves these safeguards will become redendent but due to the lack of trust no TC will accept be left to the mercy of the GC majority.

You have no right to violate our rights and steal our lands - period, so don't cover under the excuse of supposed "safeguards" to steal our lands and violate our rights. If you want safeguards then you can have as many as you want as long as you give us back our lands and rights.

[Get Real!]

Are we willing to share our country with Turkey?

This is the easiest question I've ever had to answer...

NEVER!