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[Get Real!]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

[Viewpoint]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

[Oracle]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

[Viewpoint]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

The feeling is mutual, this is our country to, its clearly a fact you have not grasped and that is why your mentlity is no different from those in the 1960s who caused the divide.

[Oracle]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

The feeling is mutual, this is our country to, its clearly a fact you have not grasped and that is why your mentlity is no different from those in the 1960s who caused the divide.

So you answered Piratis' thread question:

Are we willing to share our country with Turkey?

... with a resounding "Yes!" .... you continue the crimes against us that GR refers to which include harbouring Turkey, and your only solution if we object is to split our country with a 20ft high wall.

Neither one of these, not a 20ft high wall nor continued attachments to Turkey are suitable solutions.

Yet those are the only two solutions you offer VP.

[Piratis]

And Piratis....thanks for your kind words about me to Oracle....
I truly see no point in discussing anything with her...If she can't look at our sorry history,and understand why the TCs are not able to assert themselves under the present circumstances,there is nothing I can do for her...What is the point of accusing the victims of domestic violence or sexual abuse????Expecting them to miraculously find the willpower to overturn their oppression all by themselves???? This is what she is demanding of the TCs...I said all along,the TCs have nowhere else to turn but to the GCs for help and support...If this support is not forthcoming their only option is to be assimilated with Turkey...I am not proud to say so,put that is the fact of the matter...No amount of mental-masturbation on Oracles's part will change it...

Bir, all Cypriots have been victims, with Greek Cypriots being the ones victimized for the longest periods.

The GCs can accept "interim solutions" in order to help re-integrate the TCs in one united country, but at the same time the TCs should start realizing that the gains on our loss that have been offered to them since the 50s by UK and Turkey, are not their rights, but are the elements of the divide and rule game played against Cyprus. If they continue to play the divide and rule game expecting all those gains, then there is really no chance for unity or peace regardless of what we will do (short of giving up our human and democratic rights, which we might be able to put on hold for a few years, but we are definitely not going to give them up).

The biggest fear the average TC seems to have is still that of physical security...followed by the fear of discrimination and pressure to assimilate into a Hellenic Cyprus...The interim solution needs to address these two fears,else the TCs will not accept it...right or wrong this is the reality we are facing,Piratis...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

It is true that the GCs suffered longer than the TCs and in greater numbers...This is largely due to historical factors of course. If you consider that the GCs have been flourishing in the South since 1974,and the fact that the TCs are fast becoming extinct in their own country,I as a TC feel that the so-called "liberation" of the TCs has been nothing less than disastrous for them...The number of TCs who have gained on GC losses are minuscule when compared with the number of TCs who have lost outright and had to look elsewhere for a future... The interim solution will have to satisfy their reservations as well,so the can feel confident to return to Cyprus and be proud and happy of their place in the community of Cypriots facing a bright future...

Bir, I have no problem with justified safeguards for justified fears. However the demands of TCs today go way way way beyond this. The demand that demonstrates the TCs greediness in a way that can really not be disguised by any "fear" excuses, is the demand that they should keep 30% of the land under their administration.

[Viewpoint]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

The feeling is mutual, this is our country to, its clearly a fact you have not grasped and that is why your mentlity is no different from those in the 1960s who caused the divide.

So you answered Piratis' thread question:

Are we willing to share our country with Turkey?

... with a resounding "Yes!" .... you continue the crimes against us that GR refers to which include harbouring Turkey, and your only solution if we object is to split our country with a 20ft high wall.

Neither one of these, not a 20ft high wall nor continued attachments to Turkey are suitable solutions.

Yet those are the only two solutions you offer VP.

The solution I offer is a BBF with political equality of the 2 communities as backed by the UN and your leader, but its you that objects and throws around empty slogans and threats. You need to get a dose of reality if Turkey are our only real allies then of course we will side with them what do you expect us to do side with GCs who have only persecuted and discriminated against us, who cannot accept our community as being equal to their or even that we have just as much right to this island as you do. Reality you need to take a big does of it otherwise you can wait around like Piratis for swing in power and then blow us to kingdom come.

[Piratis]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

The feeling is mutual, this is our country to, its clearly a fact you have not grasped and that is why your mentlity is no different from those in the 1960s who caused the divide.

So you answered Piratis' thread question:

Are we willing to share our country with Turkey?

... with a resounding "Yes!" .... you continue the crimes against us that GR refers to which include harbouring Turkey, and your only solution if we object is to split our country with a 20ft high wall.

Neither one of these, not a 20ft high wall nor continued attachments to Turkey are suitable solutions.

Yet those are the only two solutions you offer VP.

The solution I offer is a BBF with political equality of the 2 communities as backed by the UN and your leader, but its you that objects and throws around empty slogans and threats. You need to get a dose of reality if Turkey are our only real allies then of course we will side with them what do you expect us to do side with GCs who have only persecuted and discriminated against us, who cannot accept our community as being equal to their or even that we have just as much right to this island as you do. Reality you need to take a big does of it otherwise you can wait around like Piratis for swing in power and then blow us to kingdom come.

VP, you keep trying to present GCs as the evils who deserve to be punished. You forget that you are the ones who came to our island with the aim to prosecute and enslave us, and not the other way around, and that you are the ones who initiated all conflicts in Cyprus ever since, and today you keep insisting on crimes and illegalities.

Lets talk about realities: You are illegally occupying 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus. Republic of Cyprus has every right to protect its sovereignty. So, if you insist on war, and you refuse to accept human rights and democracy for all, then remember that these were your choices and not our.

[Oracle]

...They are the reason why I get so frustrated with GR and Oracle and their endless attacks on the TCs...Which is resulting in the rigidification of the already firm TC fears regarding the GC intentions...

Put your frustrations to good use by condemning and teaching your people NOT to commit any more crimes on Cyprus.

For as long as your community remains knee-deep in crime we DO NOT want your people among us.

If thats what you people think then pull out of the negotiations, build a wall 20ft high and wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Building walls may be what the Chinese did to keep you out ... but we happen to want our country back. You are not an obligatory component IMHO ... return of our country is.

The feeling is mutual, this is our country to, its clearly a fact you have not grasped and that is why your mentlity is no different from those in the 1960s who caused the divide.

So you answered Piratis' thread question:

Are we willing to share our country with Turkey?

... with a resounding "Yes!" .... you continue the crimes against us that GR refers to which include harbouring Turkey, and your only solution if we object is to split our country with a 20ft high wall.

Neither one of these, not a 20ft high wall nor continued attachments to Turkey are suitable solutions.

Yet those are the only two solutions you offer VP.

The solution I offer is a BBF with political equality of the 2 communities as backed by the UN and your leader, but its you that objects and throws around empty slogans and threats. You need to get a dose of reality if Turkey are our only real allies then of course we will side with them what do you expect us to do side with GCs who have only persecuted and discriminated against us, who cannot accept our community as being equal to their or even that we have just as much right to this island as you do. Reality you need to take a big does of it otherwise you can wait around like Piratis for swing in power and then blow us to kingdom come.

So BBF with no strings attached to Turkey ....

[Viewpoint]

Piratis we have no problem with war if you start it, but its nothing we start we always react to your stupidity which you appear to reconfirm with your chants of war.

Yes we are occupying our country, what happened hundreds of years ago has nothing to do with me I am indigenous and have every right to survive on this island, if threatened or attacked of course I will fight back. We did it before and can do it again if that's what you want. If you choose the more methodical approach that may produce results you will be wise if you accept the reality in front of you and compromise to accommodate our concerns and fears otherwise if you offer something which is no better than we have today you will be rejected time and time again.

I dont see what your problem is, TCs only want safeguards to protect us against what you claim you will never attempt to do?