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piratis you are doing what is called pissing against the wind.there is mutual distrust from both sides.your stupid rhetoric fools one.as a tc can i trust a gc to do the right thing in cyprus,can i f##k, 75/25 says it all.
up yours and goodbye

Have you given up your Traffic Warden job then ??

lol idiot

how many staff have you lost in the last month ,moron

and birkibrisli i suspect you are a gc ,very amusing indeed

[Oracle]

piratis you are doing what is called pissing against the wind.there is mutual distrust from both sides.your stupid rhetoric fools one.as a tc can i trust a gc to do the right thing in cyprus,can i f##k, 75/25 says it all.
up yours and goodbye

Have you given up your Traffic Warden job then ??

lol idiot

how many staff have you lost in the last month ,moron

and birkibrisli i suspect you are a gc ,very amusing indeed

No ... I am sure he is all yours! We have the Bananiot version!

[Piratis]

Oracle, Bir is better than most, better than me in many respects, and he doesn't need to associate himself with anybody. You are blinded by your racism and you are just playing word games with no essence.

It is clear why Bir and a few others are indeed in a better position:
1) His intelligence is obviously higher than average
2) He is a Cypriot Humanist and not a Turkish nationalist
3) He has no financial or other interests from the partition of the island as many other TCs have
4) He had personal experiences with GCs and he knows that GCs are not the "evils" that TCs are brainwashed to believe.

He doesn't think lowly of the TCs, he just knows that the 5 points I mentioned above are not true for many TCs, and he also knows that currently the TCs are totally under the control of Ankara, so he is trying to figure out some sort of solution that will help bring the rest of the TCs closer to his views.

[Get Real!]

Oracle, Bir is better than most, better than me in many respects, and he doesn't need to associate himself with anybody. You are blinded by your racism and you are just playing word games with no essence.

It is clear why Bir and a few others are indeed in a better position:
1) His intelligence is obviously higher than average
2) He is a Cypriot Humanist and not a Turkish nationalist
3) He has no financial or other interests from the partition of the island as many other TCs have
4) He had personal experiences with GCs and he knows that GCs are not the "evils" that TCs are brainwashed to believe.

He doesn't think lowly of the TCs, he just knows that the 5 points I mentioned above are not true for many TCs, and he also knows that currently the TCs are totally under the control of Ankara, so he is trying to figure out some sort of solution that will help bring the rest of the TCs closer to his views.

It’s obvious that the TC community is basking in the spoils of Turkish plunder so to assume that a “nice man” will convince them out of crime is nothing less than naïve.

[Piratis]

Oracle, Bir is better than most, better than me in many respects, and he doesn't need to associate himself with anybody. You are blinded by your racism and you are just playing word games with no essence.

It is clear why Bir and a few others are indeed in a better position:
1) His intelligence is obviously higher than average
2) He is a Cypriot Humanist and not a Turkish nationalist
3) He has no financial or other interests from the partition of the island as many other TCs have
4) He had personal experiences with GCs and he knows that GCs are not the "evils" that TCs are brainwashed to believe.

He doesn't think lowly of the TCs, he just knows that the 5 points I mentioned above are not true for many TCs, and he also knows that currently the TCs are totally under the control of Ankara, so he is trying to figure out some sort of solution that will help bring the rest of the TCs closer to his views.

It’s obvious that the TC community is basking in the spoils of Turkish plunder so to assume that a “nice man” will convince them out of crime is nothing less than naïve.

Where did I say that a "nice man will convince them"? What I said is that Bir wants some sort of "interim solution" that will allow TCs to gradually change so they will be able to accept what I and him believe is the true solution to the Cyprus problem. I don't know what that kind of "interim solution" can be, and I am sure he doesn't know either. But at least he wants to use the forum for a useful discussion that maybe will have some positive idea coming out of it, rather than just talking bullshit all day.

[Piratis]

piratis you are doing what is called pissing against the wind.there is mutual distrust from both sides.your stupid rhetoric fools one.as a tc can i trust a gc to do the right thing in cyprus,can i f##k, 75/25 says it all.
up yours and goodbye

Have you given up your Traffic Warden job then ??

lol idiot

how many staff have you lost in the last month ,moron

and birkibrisli i suspect you are a gc ,very amusing indeed

No ... I am sure he is all yours! We have the Bananiot version!

Bananiot and Bir have very little in common.

Bir is fighting for what he believes is right and just. Bananiot wants to just accept whatever "option" we are given.

Bir would never consider as a solution some agreement that would violate the human rights of any of his compatriots (either TC or GC). Bananiot, doesn't mind.

Bir always says what he honestly thinks and he criticizes both sides. Bananiot is just trying to be likable by the TCs and he tells them what they like to hear.

[Get Real!]

Oracle, Bir is better than most, better than me in many respects, and he doesn't need to associate himself with anybody. You are blinded by your racism and you are just playing word games with no essence.

It is clear why Bir and a few others are indeed in a better position:
1) His intelligence is obviously higher than average
2) He is a Cypriot Humanist and not a Turkish nationalist
3) He has no financial or other interests from the partition of the island as many other TCs have
4) He had personal experiences with GCs and he knows that GCs are not the "evils" that TCs are brainwashed to believe.

He doesn't think lowly of the TCs, he just knows that the 5 points I mentioned above are not true for many TCs, and he also knows that currently the TCs are totally under the control of Ankara, so he is trying to figure out some sort of solution that will help bring the rest of the TCs closer to his views.

It’s obvious that the TC community is basking in the spoils of Turkish plunder so to assume that a “nice man” will convince them out of crime is nothing less than naïve.

Where did I say that a "nice man will convince them"? What I said is that Bir wants some sort of solution that will allow TCs to gradually change so they will be able to accept what I and him believe is the true solution to the Cyprus problem. I don't know what that kind of "interim solution" can be, and I am sure he doesn't know either. But at least he wants to use the forum for a useful discussion that maybe will have some positive idea coming out of it, rather than just talking bullshit all day.

It’s a proven fact that if someone can get away with a crime they will commit it. What the TCs need is a HEAVY HAND in the form of extreme pressure and international exposure. They have been allowed to hide behind Turkey and thus acquitted of THEIR responsibilities for far too long, and this has encouraged their ignorance and intransigence. They are as much to blame as Turkey for post 74 actions.

[Piratis]

Oracle, Bir is better than most, better than me in many respects, and he doesn't need to associate himself with anybody. You are blinded by your racism and you are just playing word games with no essence.

It is clear why Bir and a few others are indeed in a better position:
1) His intelligence is obviously higher than average
2) He is a Cypriot Humanist and not a Turkish nationalist
3) He has no financial or other interests from the partition of the island as many other TCs have
4) He had personal experiences with GCs and he knows that GCs are not the "evils" that TCs are brainwashed to believe.

He doesn't think lowly of the TCs, he just knows that the 5 points I mentioned above are not true for many TCs, and he also knows that currently the TCs are totally under the control of Ankara, so he is trying to figure out some sort of solution that will help bring the rest of the TCs closer to his views.

It’s obvious that the TC community is basking in the spoils of Turkish plunder so to assume that a “nice man” will convince them out of crime is nothing less than naïve.

Where did I say that a "nice man will convince them"? What I said is that Bir wants some sort of solution that will allow TCs to gradually change so they will be able to accept what I and him believe is the true solution to the Cyprus problem. I don't know what that kind of "interim solution" can be, and I am sure he doesn't know either. But at least he wants to use the forum for a useful discussion that maybe will have some positive idea coming out of it, rather than just talking bullshit all day.

It’s a proven fact that if someone can get away with a crime they will commit it. What the TCs need is a HEAVY HAND in the form of extreme pressure and international exposure. They have been allowed to hide behind Turkey and thus acquitted of THEIR responsibilities for far too long, and this has encouraged their ignorance and intransigence. They are as much to blame as Turkey for post 74 actions.

Right. And for that to happen we need the change in the balance of power. With Bir we are debating whether it is possible to have a solution without the need for the balance of power to change. Personally I don't think is possible, but I am open to ideas.

The important thing is to have a common aim. If the aim is different, like it is mine and Viewpoints aim, then any sort of discussions are totally useless. There is no point of discussing the how you will go somewhere when you don't even agree on where you should go.

But with Bir we agree on what the aim is, and therefore we can discuss the various possible routes.

[BirKibrisli]

Why are you offering me a health warning ... do you perhaps think three civil posts are my limit and then I turn abusive

OK ... not a game! In that case, I accept that you know better. That TCs are indeed unique in not being fully developed as free-thinking human beings and will self-destruct if faced with the harsh reality of only one vote per person ... So they want more.

Please tell me though Bir., why we GCs, who struggle &, strive with developing further as individuals (responsible beings) to motivate each other, should be lumbered with such a workload as to take in under our wings, backward (Literary Licence) people as the type of people you portray these beasts (LL) to be?

Why would we voluntarily take in a cuckoo which will be so demanding it will sap as dry whilst it is fed and nurtured at our expense ...

We do not need baggage. TCs join as equals; otherwise by your formula, I take it they are not worth harbouring, and we should look towards a solution without them.

Bir., ....you obviously have allowances up your sleeve, which you think we should make ... so spill the beans and end the frustration ....

You call this a civilised post???? You obviously get pleasure from mind-masturbation techniques like these,but all you are doing is proving the fears of the average TC that you are not fit to share a country with...

I take delight in the knowledge that you are indeed a figment of someone else's twisted imagination...You cannot be a real person,and I am not in the habit of talking to invisible entities...

How dare you make me think you were capable of debate Bir ...

You have strung me along! There I was dissecting points and demonstrating inferences from your views on TCs and all along you did not have a clue what you were talking about.

Sorry Bir I made the mistake of assuming you were able to debate with the hypothetical establishment of ideas which you generated by brandishing the TCs as some kind of "unique" helpless pack, which needed special fostering.

I cannot see how you can crumble from the midst of a discussion into throwing abuses at me.

Can you not see I was showing you with how this hypothetical conclusion could be made from what you say the TCs are like.

I wrongfully assumed we were dissecting points and the conclusions which could be derived from what you were saying about the TCs

Is this what an attempt at an in-depth discussion with you is like?

You were asking for solutions based on discriminatory demands for the TCs; asserting the fact that they are not ready to develop into civilised Europeans.

If you analysed what I said as part of our continuing discussion, you should have seen you were trying to sell the TCs as an overly expensive project for returning to united Cyprus ...

But you Bir are not actually doing the TCs any favours by making them out to be in need of special attention.

To me that reeks of discrimination.

]This is my wish too,Piratis....It makes perfect sense to me..Why should we entrench our differences and carry them over for eternity??? It would be asking for trouble....[b]But it looks as if it is too long a jump for the TCs... ...[/b]

It makes perfect sense to you ?

Why, because you are gifted of reason?

So why would it not make perfect sense to TCs also?

Why, because you have decided they are not as clever as you?

I asked you to explain that statement further for me, because you appeared to be discriminating against the TCs.

You are patronising them. You are evaluating yourself (by associating yourself with Piratis) as being more enlightened than the TCs.

Can you not see Bir ?... You are a racist against your own race (if I believed race distinctions exist, which I don't)

Please explain that sentence for me BirKibrisli. Because if I said it I would be accused of racism.

If I said everyone else can see logic and reason and fairness ... but this is too much for TCs ... I would be accused of being a Nationalist GC.

I asked for an explanation Bir ....

In fact, I gifted you with the possessing higher capabilities you attributed to yourself, by associating yourself with Piratis; that perhaps you were playing one of those "shoe-on-the-other-foot" experiments

I suspect you could only be playing a psychological game.

You will turn around and say .... this is precisely what Nationalist GCs think of TCs .... that they are too stupid, backward and too different to see things our way .... to see that forgetting our differences, is the only way to go forward ...

I could not quite believe how lowly you set the TCs.

I asked for an explanation why you think so lowly of the TCs ....

Please explain if you are proving a point .... otherwise you are not making logical sense ....

Can you fail to understand why I am confused as to why [b]you brandish TCs as unworthy of being treated equally?

[/b]If TCs were truly as you portray them, we are surely lost ... and in my frustration this would make me say worse things about TCs (which I would hope they do not deserve, but you are doing a good job of making them sound as though they deserve derision) ... and next thing will be that Kifeas pops up wielding wrath ... [/b]

This was your answer to the above ....

It is very simple,Oracle. Blind Freddie can see now that we cannot go from where we are to a unitary state based on one-vote one -value democracy...It is the reality I have come to accept...I wish it was different but it is not...So I am now wondering...Can we possibly agree on an interm step,a temporary solution which will keep the way open for true unification some time in the future...???Or do we refuse to budge from our ideal solution and wait for "the balance of power to change"...Try to answer the question without throwing insults about,please...

So you confirmed that my hypothetical conclusion, inferred from your views, had correctly assessed the TCs as inferior .... but this was based on what you said about TCs.

I was asking you if that is what you were suggesting the TCs were like. I was puzzling as to the extent of the inferiority that you were placing the TCs ...... and you confirmed that is how you saw the TCs.

Not I Bir ... it is the natural conclusion from what you are going around saying about the TCs

If you were GC and you spoke for me in that patronising "I am better than my own people, and only I can see that they are so stupid they need to be discriminated with special favours" .... I would not be pleased at all!

Bir ... I have had many a "discussion" with you where you have made a statement and I have tried to find out why you made it and the thinking behind it.

In fact it is always you that loses your temper and turns abusive ... You though use the fact that I have the "reputation" and turn to low point scoring by throwing further abuse at me.

You are no different to many others.

You have prejudices BirKibrisli ... mostly that you think you are better than all the other TCs

And you think you are better than me because you blindingly see yourself as reasonable, when you are far from that.

You know what Bir ... I have finally sussed you out:

You think you are better than everybody.

[BirKibrisli]

piratis you are doing what is called pissing against the wind.there is mutual distrust from both sides.your stupid rhetoric fools one.as a tc can i trust a gc to do the right thing in cyprus,can i f##k, 75/25 says it all.
up yours and goodbye

Have you given up your Traffic Warden job then ??

lol idiot

how many staff have you lost in the last month ,moron

and birkibrisli i suspect you are a gc ,very amusing indeed