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[Muzzy70]

Muzzy,terrible things were done by both sides,there is no doubt about that.
The question is have we learned our lessons?? Are we prepared to show understanding and compassion towards each other...???Has the world around us changed enough to make a repeat of the past attrocities impossible????

After all we went through as Cypriots,can we now acknowledge our mistakes,ask forgiveness and move on???Can we now embrace each other as Cypriots first and foremost and put the interests of our homeland first????

Are we mature enough now to see how we were played one against the other,divided and ruled,and how this is still continuing???And so on and so forth...The answers you will give to these questions will determine your attitude to the future...I would answer in the affirmative to all these questions,with some reservations in certain areas...But I will not blame you if you answer in the negative...I understand where you are coming from..and I respect your decision as long as it is a sincerely held belief and not based on any expectant real or imaginary gain ....

Bir are you saying that my post is a false one ? It happened, to members of my family. I was the sick child turned away from Nicosia Hospital because of my Turkish Cypriot heritage. My Dede was the one who had the gun held to his head and was convinced that he wasn't shot because he could speak Greek. He was accompanied by his 9 year old nephew who was lifted by the hair from the ground by a 'Cypriot' (Greek) policeman and punched in the face with a rifle butt. My Nene was sexually abused by the 'National Guard' after being forced to get off the bus and strip off. I could go on and on.

I fully acknowledge that as a community the Greek Cypriots suffered greatly in 1974. But..........the Greek Cypriots remain in denial about all that we had to endure pre- 1974.

'Remove your life jacket and everything will be allright'.

[denizaksulu]

DT, I can assure you that not a lot of encouragement was needed to 'regroup in enclaves during the period 1963/74. There were attacks all over the island. Only a 'nod' was needed for the villagers to move to safe havens.

MISINFORMATION baffles the brain Deniz...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus17886.html

Those that were quick to move are those that had their hands dirty...

You insult my family GR. Life is precious. But Rambo GR would not understand that. BUG OFF. You can not stand it when told the truth. If you dont want to live with the Turks, bury yourself in Chirochitia or go back down under. You are more suited to the outback.


Last bit deleted in accordance to my promise to Lana.

[BirKibrisli]

Muzzy,terrible things were done by both sides,there is no doubt about that.
The question is have we learned our lessons?? Are we prepared to show understanding and compassion towards each other...???Has the world around us changed enough to make a repeat of the past attrocities impossible????

After all we went through as Cypriots,can we now acknowledge our mistakes,ask forgiveness and move on???Can we now embrace each other as Cypriots first and foremost and put the interests of our homeland first????

Are we mature enough now to see how we were played one against the other,divided and ruled,and how this is still continuing???And so on and so forth...The answers you will give to these questions will determine your attitude to the future...I would answer in the affirmative to all these questions,with some reservations in certain areas...But I will not blame you if you answer in the negative...I understand where you are coming from..and I respect your decision as long as it is a sincerely held belief and not based on any expectant real or imaginary gain ....

Bir are you saying that my post is a false one ? It happened, to members of my family. I was the sick child turned away from Nicosia Hospital because of my Turkish Cypriot heritage. My Dede was the one who had the gun held to his head and was convinced that he wasn't shot because he could speak Greek. He was accompanied by his 9 year old nephew who was lifted by the hair from the ground by a 'Cypriot' (Greek) policeman and punched in the face with a rifle butt. My Nene was sexually abused by the 'National Guard' after being forced to get off the bus and strip off. I could go on and on.

I fully acknowledge that as a community the Greek Cypriots suffered greatly in 1974. But..........the Greek Cypriots remain in denial about all that we had to endure pre- 1974.

'Remove your life jacket and everything will be allright'.

You are right,Muzzy...I believe the GCs were kept in the dark about the period 1963-74...Most who are under 40 honestly do not know about that episode in our sorry saga...

And your post is not false...My great Uncle was actually killed in his sickbed in 1964 in Paphos at the age of 80...But you know why they killed him...???Because they knew he had money and he wouldnt tell them where it was hidden...This doesn't make all GCs bad or criminals...There will always be evil people who would take advantage of a situation to try to make some gain.All that you said happened and much more too...But we did terrible things to the GCs as well...The key is not to allow these terrible events to turn into hatred or prejudice against the whole GC community...
And accept the possibility that people can and do change...Deep down we are all human beings with inate good and bad qualities...TCs are not better than the GCs and vice versa...We are not even different..We are the same people who happen to speak a different language and ,perhaps ,believe in a different way of achieving divine grace...

[Muzzy70]

Muzzy,terrible things were done by both sides,there is no doubt about that.
The question is have we learned our lessons?? Are we prepared to show understanding and compassion towards each other...???Has the world around us changed enough to make a repeat of the past attrocities impossible????

After all we went through as Cypriots,can we now acknowledge our mistakes,ask forgiveness and move on???Can we now embrace each other as Cypriots first and foremost and put the interests of our homeland first????

Are we mature enough now to see how we were played one against the other,divided and ruled,and how this is still continuing???And so on and so forth...The answers you will give to these questions will determine your attitude to the future...I would answer in the affirmative to all these questions,with some reservations in certain areas...But I will not blame you if you answer in the negative...I understand where you are coming from..and I respect your decision as long as it is a sincerely held belief and not based on any expectant real or imaginary gain ....

Bir are you saying that my post is a false one ? It happened, to members of my family. I was the sick child turned away from Nicosia Hospital because of my Turkish Cypriot heritage. My Dede was the one who had the gun held to his head and was convinced that he wasn't shot because he could speak Greek. He was accompanied by his 9 year old nephew who was lifted by the hair from the ground by a 'Cypriot' (Greek) policeman and punched in the face with a rifle butt. My Nene was sexually abused by the 'National Guard' after being forced to get off the bus and strip off. I could go on and on.

I fully acknowledge that as a community the Greek Cypriots suffered greatly in 1974. But..........the Greek Cypriots remain in denial about all that we had to endure pre- 1974.

'Remove your life jacket and everything will be allright'.

You are right,Muzzy...I believe the GCs were kept in the dark about the period 1963-74...Most who are under 40 honestly do not know about that episode in our sorry saga...

And your post is not false...My great Uncle was actually killed in his sickbed in 1964 in Paphos at the age of 80...But you know why they killed him...???Because they knew he had money and he wouldnt tell them where it was hidden...This doesn't make all GCs bad or criminals...There will always be evil people who would take advantage of a situation to try to make some gain.All that you said happened and much more too...But we did terrible things to the GCs as well...The key is not to allow these terrible events to turn into hatred or prejudice against the whole GC community...
And accept the possibility that people can and do change...Deep down we are all human beings with inate good and bad qualities...TCs are not better than the GCs and vice versa...We are not even different..We are the same people who happen to speak a different language and ,perhaps ,believe in a different way of achieving divine grace...

Bir, progress can only be made when we ALL acknowledge the events of past history. I never said that all GC's were/are evil but if you read the majority of the GC posts on this site what real hope is there for the future. And they have the temerity to insist that the Treaty of Guarantee be annulled and that all Turkish troops go home, even rejecting a symbolic 650 troop contingent. Our experience as a community, whether they, or you for that matter, like it or not dictate that a continued Turkish presence is absolutely imperative. A negotiated settlement must be realistic.

[DT.]

Muzzy,terrible things were done by both sides,there is no doubt about that.
The question is have we learned our lessons?? Are we prepared to show understanding and compassion towards each other...???Has the world around us changed enough to make a repeat of the past attrocities impossible????

After all we went through as Cypriots,can we now acknowledge our mistakes,ask forgiveness and move on???Can we now embrace each other as Cypriots first and foremost and put the interests of our homeland first????

Are we mature enough now to see how we were played one against the other,divided and ruled,and how this is still continuing???And so on and so forth...The answers you will give to these questions will determine your attitude to the future...I would answer in the affirmative to all these questions,with some reservations in certain areas...But I will not blame you if you answer in the negative...I understand where you are coming from..and I respect your decision as long as it is a sincerely held belief and not based on any expectant real or imaginary gain ....

Bir are you saying that my post is a false one ? It happened, to members of my family. I was the sick child turned away from Nicosia Hospital because of my Turkish Cypriot heritage. My Dede was the one who had the gun held to his head and was convinced that he wasn't shot because he could speak Greek. He was accompanied by his 9 year old nephew who was lifted by the hair from the ground by a 'Cypriot' (Greek) policeman and punched in the face with a rifle butt. My Nene was sexually abused by the 'National Guard' after being forced to get off the bus and strip off. I could go on and on.

I fully acknowledge that as a community the Greek Cypriots suffered greatly in 1974. But..........the Greek Cypriots remain in denial about all that we had to endure pre- 1974.

'Remove your life jacket and everything will be allright'.

You are right,Muzzy...I believe the GCs were kept in the dark about the period 1963-74...Most who are under 40 honestly do not know about that episode in our sorry saga...

And your post is not false...My great Uncle was actually killed in his sickbed in 1964 in Paphos at the age of 80...But you know why they killed him...???Because they knew he had money and he wouldnt tell them where it was hidden...This doesn't make all GCs bad or criminals...There will always be evil people who would take advantage of a situation to try to make some gain.All that you said happened and much more too...But we did terrible things to the GCs as well...The key is not to allow these terrible events to turn into hatred or prejudice against the whole GC community...
And accept the possibility that people can and do change...Deep down we are all human beings with inate good and bad qualities...TCs are not better than the GCs and vice versa...We are not even different..We are the same people who happen to speak a different language and ,perhaps ,believe in a different way of achieving divine grace...

Bir, progress can only be made when we ALL acknowledge the events of past history. I never said that all GC's were/are evil but if you read the majority of the GC posts on this site what real hope is there for the future. And they have the temerity to insist that the Treaty of Guarantee be annulled and that all Turkish troops go home, even rejecting a symbolic 650 troop contingent. Our experience as a community, whether they, or you for that matter, like it or not dictate that a continued Turkish presence is absolutely imperative. A negotiated settlement must be realistic.

Eric Dayi, Big Al, Gabira & Co. Enjoy them.

[Piratis]

The fact is that you are the ones who initiated all conflicts in Cyprus, in 1571 and in 1821 (and many times in between), in 1958 and in 1974. You have invaded our island multiple times killing 10s of thousands of people and today you continue to illegally occupy our lands.

The only thing we ever did was to fight for the liberation of our own island. In the conflicts which you started and where you killed 1000s and 10s of thousands you also had a few 100s of losses. But stop trying to present yourselves as the victims. The victims are the Cypriots who have been invaded multiple times by hordes of invading Turks.

We have offered to you many times and we offer to you again to let the past behind and accept the principles of human rights and democracy so we can finally have peace. Unfortunately it seems you are still stack in the middle ages and you think you can continue to steal the lands of others like you used to do.

[Muzzy70]

Muzzy,terrible things were done by both sides,there is no doubt about that.
The question is have we learned our lessons?? Are we prepared to show understanding and compassion towards each other...???Has the world around us changed enough to make a repeat of the past attrocities impossible????

After all we went through as Cypriots,can we now acknowledge our mistakes,ask forgiveness and move on???Can we now embrace each other as Cypriots first and foremost and put the interests of our homeland first????

Are we mature enough now to see how we were played one against the other,divided and ruled,and how this is still continuing???And so on and so forth...The answers you will give to these questions will determine your attitude to the future...I would answer in the affirmative to all these questions,with some reservations in certain areas...But I will not blame you if you answer in the negative...I understand where you are coming from..and I respect your decision as long as it is a sincerely held belief and not based on any expectant real or imaginary gain ....

Bir are you saying that my post is a false one ? It happened, to members of my family. I was the sick child turned away from Nicosia Hospital because of my Turkish Cypriot heritage. My Dede was the one who had the gun held to his head and was convinced that he wasn't shot because he could speak Greek. He was accompanied by his 9 year old nephew who was lifted by the hair from the ground by a 'Cypriot' (Greek) policeman and punched in the face with a rifle butt. My Nene was sexually abused by the 'National Guard' after being forced to get off the bus and strip off. I could go on and on.

I fully acknowledge that as a community the Greek Cypriots suffered greatly in 1974. But..........the Greek Cypriots remain in denial about all that we had to endure pre- 1974.

'Remove your life jacket and everything will be allright'.

You are right,Muzzy...I believe the GCs were kept in the dark about the period 1963-74...Most who are under 40 honestly do not know about that episode in our sorry saga...

And your post is not false...My great Uncle was actually killed in his sickbed in 1964 in Paphos at the age of 80...But you know why they killed him...???Because they knew he had money and he wouldnt tell them where it was hidden...This doesn't make all GCs bad or criminals...There will always be evil people who would take advantage of a situation to try to make some gain.All that you said happened and much more too...But we did terrible things to the GCs as well...The key is not to allow these terrible events to turn into hatred or prejudice against the whole GC community...
And accept the possibility that people can and do change...Deep down we are all human beings with inate good and bad qualities...TCs are not better than the GCs and vice versa...We are not even different..We are the same people who happen to speak a different language and ,perhaps ,believe in a different way of achieving divine grace...

Bir, progress can only be made when we ALL acknowledge the events of past history. I never said that all GC's were/are evil but if you read the majority of the GC posts on this site what real hope is there for the future. And they have the temerity to insist that the Treaty of Guarantee be annulled and that all Turkish troops go home, even rejecting a symbolic 650 troop contingent. Our experience as a community, whether they, or you for that matter, like it or not dictate that a continued Turkish presence is absolutely imperative. A negotiated settlement must be realistic.

Eric Dayi, Big Al, Gabira & Co. Enjoy them.

A sensible GC reply from DT ? I think not, now there's a surprise ! Where are the GC posters ? Has what I've written shocked you ? Are you ashamed that GC's behaved in such a manner or are you secretly approving of it ? Yes, let's live like the good friends we used to be ! Dream on.

'Remove your life jacket and everything will be allright'.

[Muzzy70]

The fact is that you are the ones who initiated all conflicts in Cyprus, in 1571 and in 1821 (and many times in between), in 1958 and in 1974. You have invaded our island multiple times killing 10s of thousands of people and today you continue to illegally occupy our lands.

The only thing we ever did was to fight for the liberation of our own island. In the conflicts which you started and where you killed 1000s and 10s of thousands you also had a few 100s of losses. But stop trying to present yourselves as the victims. The victims are the Cypriots who have been invaded multiple times by hordes of invading Turks.

We have offered to you many times and we offer to you again to let the past behind and accept the principles of human rights and democracy so we can finally have peace. Unfortunately it seems you are still stack in the middle ages and you think you can continue to steal the lands of others like you used to do.

You completely ignore my post Piratis. What a surprise ! A true 'Cypriot' denier !

So Kibris is your land is it ? OXI

[BirKibrisli]

The fact is that you are the ones who initiated all conflicts in Cyprus, in 1571 and in 1821 (and many times in between), in 1958 and in 1974. You have invaded our island multiple times killing 10s of thousands of people and today you continue to illegally occupy our lands.

The only thing we ever did was to fight for the liberation of our own island. In the conflicts which you started and where you killed 1000s and 10s of thousands you also had a few 100s of losses. But stop trying to present yourselves as the victims. The victims are the Cypriots who have been invaded multiple times by hordes of invading Turks.

We have offered to you many times and we offer to you again to let the past behind and accept the principles of human rights and democracy so we can finally have peace. Unfortunately it seems you are still stack in the middle ages and you think you can continue to steal the lands of others like you used to do.

Piratis,
Will you at least acknowledge that the demand for Enosis was instrumental in putting the TCs offside and making them easily manipulated by the British and the Turkish nationalists???

And please stop blaming the present day TCs for what happened in 1571 and 1821???? Nobody asked us if we agreed to the invasion of Cyprus at the time, or if we wanted to move there after the conquest...People with required skills were simply told they were going to Cyprus or the gallows...The choice was not too difficult to make,but it was far from voluntary...

[Piratis]

What part of your posts did I ignore Muzzy? The manufactured personal stories of yours? With lies you are trying to exaggerate by a factor of 100 the suffering of TCs in that one decade, while you forget (1) the suffering of GCs during the same period, (2) the fact that you are the ones who started that conflict, (3) all the other conflicts which you started, before and after that one decade. And why you do this? In order to excuse even more crimes against us!