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[Oracle]

So you do not want the Turkish army gone?

The settler reduced to a minimum?

Land return?

Right to live where you wish?

Return of Maraş?

One country?

What the hell do you want? No I already know that...

You mean everything we had before you had a nervous breakdown and gifted nearly half the island to a foreign country!

What precisely have you achieved?

Why should we trust you back in the fold again?

Why shouldn't we just expect you to leave and join your mainlander brothers?

What do the TCs have to offer us in the future?

How can we trust they won't go psycho again and let another foreign occupier in to massacre more Cypriots and split the country to hold to ransom for some other prize?

Now be the good shit stirer that you are and reverse all the above questions and answer them yourself.

They are inapplicable to us, because the premise breaks down at the first hurdle .... due to the fact we have not gifted the island to a foreign power.

For us it is hypothetical ... for you the reality ...

Now quit being the slithery snake and speak up with some answers.

[Viewpoint]

You never needed to invade a country as it was your own people you tried to brush to one side and place in danger gifting our country to a foreign country called Greece, all we did like any other human being was fight for survival, but of course you knew we could never survive without help and help we got.

We fought for our liberation from foreign oppressors just like the rest Greek islands and territories have done. You were the ones who have always attacked us and slaughtered us in an attempt to stop Cyprus from being liberated. Here is our first attempt for liberation:

"During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821."

It is you who should apologize for not allowing us to be free, not to expect from us to apologize because we wanted our freedom from foreign rulers!

We are also willing to forgive your crimes against us but we have learned our lesson the hard way and we will never again be put in danger again by people who claim to be our compatriots but do not see us as eqauls and want to use the majority advantage to our detrement.

Equality means one person one vote regardless of the ehtnic background. What you demand is not equality, but inequality, so you can have us like your Ottoman subjects again. We had enough of that already. We now want democracy and human rights. We are not going to get stuck in the middle ages just because it suits you that way.

Safeguards are all we need to build trust and cooperation if in time we both prove ourselves these safeguards will become redendent but due to the lack of trust no TC will accept be left to the mercy of the GC majority.

You have no right to violate our rights and steal our lands - period, so don't cover under the excuse of supposed "safeguards" to steal our lands and violate our rights. If you want safeguards then you can have as many as you want as long as you give us back our lands and rights.

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

[Piratis]

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

How were you fighting for your survival mate? When you slaughtered 100s of people back when we first dared to think about freedom was it a "fight for survival" for you? When some decades later we were fighting against the next rulers for our freedom, and you attacked us and started to demand that we should be annihilated from half of our island, was that a "fight for survival"?

If in our era what was done to the Native Indians and the Aborigines was somehting acceptable then Hitler would have been a Conquering Hero who would be admired. Things changed mate. We are not living in the middle ages that you could just invade others kill them and steal their lands. That is why your occupation of the north part of our island is and will remain illegal until it is liberated.

[Viewpoint]

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

How were you fighting for your survival mate? When you slaughtered 100s of people back when we first dared to think about freedom was it a "fight for survival" for you? When some decades later we were fighting against the next rulers for our freedom, and you attacked us and started to demand that we should be annihilated from half of our island, was that a "fight for survival"?

If in our era what was done to the Native Indians and the Aborigines was somehting acceptable then Hitler would have been a Conquering Hero who would be admired. Things changed mate. We are not living in the middle ages that you could just invade others kill them and steal their lands. That is why your occupation of the north part of our island is and will remain illegal until it is liberated.

You are contradicting yourself as it suits you on the one hand you hold me responsible for what happen 400 years but you are not willing to accept what has happened throughout history to others as being relevant today, in my book that's hypocrisy.

You were the stronger side your sheer population advantage and control over the government you had stolen made you the aggressor, not the minority who were forced into ghettos, starved of all amenities, persecuted and discriminated against all this after we had agreed to make amends in 1960. Why don't you account for 1963 GC style democracy and human rights for all, you know full of the double standards you and your henchmen administered on TCs, I would really like to know why you were not fight for our rights back in 1963 to 1974?

[DT.]

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

How were you fighting for your survival mate? When you slaughtered 100s of people back when we first dared to think about freedom was it a "fight for survival" for you? When some decades later we were fighting against the next rulers for our freedom, and you attacked us and started to demand that we should be annihilated from half of our island, was that a "fight for survival"?

If in our era what was done to the Native Indians and the Aborigines was somehting acceptable then Hitler would have been a Conquering Hero who would be admired. Things changed mate. We are not living in the middle ages that you could just invade others kill them and steal their lands. That is why your occupation of the north part of our island is and will remain illegal until it is liberated.

You are contradicting yourself as it suits you on the one hand you hold me responsible for what happen 400 years but you are not willing to accept what has happened throughout history to others as being relevant today, in my book that's hypocrisy.

You were the stronger side your sheer population advantage and control over the government you had stolen made you the aggressor, not the minority who were forced into ghettos, starved of all amenities, persecuted and discriminated against all this after we had agreed to make amends in 1960. Why don't you account for 1963 GC style democracy and human rights for all, you know full of the double standards you and your henchmen administered on TCs, I would really like to know why you were not fight for our rights back in 1963 to 1974?

You ddn't need much encouragement to segragate then VP Your TMT henchmen were persecuting any TC's that had anything to do with GC's through business, accomodation or friendship. You were led into those enclaves by the TMT who are now your present leaders.

[Viewpoint]

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

How were you fighting for your survival mate? When you slaughtered 100s of people back when we first dared to think about freedom was it a "fight for survival" for you? When some decades later we were fighting against the next rulers for our freedom, and you attacked us and started to demand that we should be annihilated from half of our island, was that a "fight for survival"?

If in our era what was done to the Native Indians and the Aborigines was somehting acceptable then Hitler would have been a Conquering Hero who would be admired. Things changed mate. We are not living in the middle ages that you could just invade others kill them and steal their lands. That is why your occupation of the north part of our island is and will remain illegal until it is liberated.

You are contradicting yourself as it suits you on the one hand you hold me responsible for what happen 400 years but you are not willing to accept what has happened throughout history to others as being relevant today, in my book that's hypocrisy.

You were the stronger side your sheer population advantage and control over the government you had stolen made you the aggressor, not the minority who were forced into ghettos, starved of all amenities, persecuted and discriminated against all this after we had agreed to make amends in 1960. Why don't you account for 1963 GC style democracy and human rights for all, you know full of the double standards you and your henchmen administered on TCs, I would really like to know why you were not fight for our rights back in 1963 to 1974?

You ddn't need much encouragement to segragate then VP Your TMT henchmen were persecuting any TC's that had anything to do with GC's through business, accomodation or friendship. You were led into those enclaves by the TMT who are now your present leaders.

Yes you are right they were like holiday camps that's why TCs rushed to get the best tents, you moron.

[DT.]

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

How were you fighting for your survival mate? When you slaughtered 100s of people back when we first dared to think about freedom was it a "fight for survival" for you? When some decades later we were fighting against the next rulers for our freedom, and you attacked us and started to demand that we should be annihilated from half of our island, was that a "fight for survival"?

If in our era what was done to the Native Indians and the Aborigines was somehting acceptable then Hitler would have been a Conquering Hero who would be admired. Things changed mate. We are not living in the middle ages that you could just invade others kill them and steal their lands. That is why your occupation of the north part of our island is and will remain illegal until it is liberated.

You are contradicting yourself as it suits you on the one hand you hold me responsible for what happen 400 years but you are not willing to accept what has happened throughout history to others as being relevant today, in my book that's hypocrisy.

You were the stronger side your sheer population advantage and control over the government you had stolen made you the aggressor, not the minority who were forced into ghettos, starved of all amenities, persecuted and discriminated against all this after we had agreed to make amends in 1960. Why don't you account for 1963 GC style democracy and human rights for all, you know full of the double standards you and your henchmen administered on TCs, I would really like to know why you were not fight for our rights back in 1963 to 1974?

You ddn't need much encouragement to segragate then VP Your TMT henchmen were persecuting any TC's that had anything to do with GC's through business, accomodation or friendship. You were led into those enclaves by the TMT who are now your present leaders.

Yes you are right they were like holiday camps that's why TCs rushed to get the best tents, you moron.

Moron? charming.

FOrgot to mention TMT's role in 63 fuckwit?

[denizaksulu]

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

How were you fighting for your survival mate? When you slaughtered 100s of people back when we first dared to think about freedom was it a "fight for survival" for you? When some decades later we were fighting against the next rulers for our freedom, and you attacked us and started to demand that we should be annihilated from half of our island, was that a "fight for survival"?

If in our era what was done to the Native Indians and the Aborigines was somehting acceptable then Hitler would have been a Conquering Hero who would be admired. Things changed mate. We are not living in the middle ages that you could just invade others kill them and steal their lands. That is why your occupation of the north part of our island is and will remain illegal until it is liberated.

You are contradicting yourself as it suits you on the one hand you hold me responsible for what happen 400 years but you are not willing to accept what has happened throughout history to others as being relevant today, in my book that's hypocrisy.

You were the stronger side your sheer population advantage and control over the government you had stolen made you the aggressor, not the minority who were forced into ghettos, starved of all amenities, persecuted and discriminated against all this after we had agreed to make amends in 1960. Why don't you account for 1963 GC style democracy and human rights for all, you know full of the double standards you and your henchmen administered on TCs, I would really like to know why you were not fight for our rights back in 1963 to 1974?

You ddn't need much encouragement to segragate then VP Your TMT henchmen were persecuting any TC's that had anything to do with GC's through business, accomodation or friendship. You were led into those enclaves by the TMT who are now your present leaders.

DT, I can assure you that not a lot of encouragement was needed to 'regroup in enclaves during the period 1963/74. There were attacks all over the island. Only a 'nod' was needed for the villagers to move to safe havens. On occasion the UN did help too. Why do you think? Danger from attacks from uncontrollable elements was strife. If I remember you from your photo, I believe that you are a few years younger than me. In 1963, I was 18. I knew what was going on. The fear was real. Our GC neighbours also asked my grandparents to move to the safety of larger numbers. They first moved to Kophinou. Then they moved to Ayios Theodoros as the UN reported that Kophinou was no longer considered safe - due to its strategic location. They were bundled into the back of a UN lorry and carted to Ay. Theodoros. Two months later they arrived with a suitcase in Nicosia.
DT, dont believe that guns were held at these peoples heads to move. Village elders or leaders would do anything to protect their kindred folk.

Regards

[Viewpoint]

You fought for freedom as you claim and we fought for survival big difference. The bottom line Piratis is if there is no solution out before us that we cannot commit to then we will just carry on as we are. As for stealing lands go talk to the Native Indians and Aborigines you have a lot in common, the only way for you to get your land back via negotiations and compromise, ho sorry forgot your preferred route of a swing in power which is never guaranteed and can always go further the other way, what will you do then?

How were you fighting for your survival mate? When you slaughtered 100s of people back when we first dared to think about freedom was it a "fight for survival" for you? When some decades later we were fighting against the next rulers for our freedom, and you attacked us and started to demand that we should be annihilated from half of our island, was that a "fight for survival"?

If in our era what was done to the Native Indians and the Aborigines was somehting acceptable then Hitler would have been a Conquering Hero who would be admired. Things changed mate. We are not living in the middle ages that you could just invade others kill them and steal their lands. That is why your occupation of the north part of our island is and will remain illegal until it is liberated.

You are contradicting yourself as it suits you on the one hand you hold me responsible for what happen 400 years but you are not willing to accept what has happened throughout history to others as being relevant today, in my book that's hypocrisy.

You were the stronger side your sheer population advantage and control over the government you had stolen made you the aggressor, not the minority who were forced into ghettos, starved of all amenities, persecuted and discriminated against all this after we had agreed to make amends in 1960. Why don't you account for 1963 GC style democracy and human rights for all, you know full of the double standards you and your henchmen administered on TCs, I would really like to know why you were not fight for our rights back in 1963 to 1974?

You ddn't need much encouragement to segragate then VP Your TMT henchmen were persecuting any TC's that had anything to do with GC's through business, accomodation or friendship. You were led into those enclaves by the TMT who are now your present leaders.

Yes you are right they were like holiday camps that's why TCs rushed to get the best tents, you moron.

Moron? charming.

FOrgot to mention TMT's role in 63 fuckwit?

Response to eoka terrorists shitbrains.

[DT.]

how can you respond to EOKA B in 63-74 by starting an organisation in 58 you retard?