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[BirKibrisli]

Hasan HASTURER is a columnist with the daily trnc newspaper,KIBRIS...

From what I hear he is a very respected journalist...I came across one of his columns recently which I found interesting...I am not in agreement with everything he says neccessarily,but those who are curious about what is going on in more "liberal" TC minds at this crucial time should keep on reading...

Hasturer argues that Christofias is handicapped in the current negotiations because of a historically inherited "chronic" preconception regarding the TCs...He suggests that for hundreds of years now the GCs have considered the TCs to be inferior to themselves culturally,economically,socially and politically...

I quote selectively:


"...The GCs,who have been in Cyprus for far longer than us,have always been more motivated in influencing the fate and the future of Cyprus... This was especially evident during the British rule...Their demand was for Enosis before independence...The emerging TC leadership was never able to put forward a credible alternative....After the Lausanne agreement Cyprus became a foreign country for Turkey...Under the circumstances the TC policy became one of hanging onto the British skirts...This was far from being a principled stand...
Economically too we were unable to make our mark...we never learned to stand on our own two feet...Even during the Ottoman rule TCs had little to do with administration...Later on with Eoka, with the exception of Grivas,who was of Cypriot origins anyway,all the key positions were held by GCs...But the TMT was always run by colonels from the Turkish army...
Even in rural centres the commander was from Turkey...Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


For Turkish speakers the link is:
http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php/cat/1/col/80/art/8377/PageName/Ana_sayfa

[unitedwestand]

Hasan HASTURER is a columnist with the daily trnc newspaper,KIBRIS...

From what I hear he is a very respected journalist...I came across one of his columns recently which I found interesting...I am not in agreement with everything he says neccessarily,but those who are curious about what is going on in more "liberal" TC minds at this crucial time should keep on reading...

Hasturer argues that Christofias is handicapped in the current negotiations because of a historically inherited "chronic" preconception regarding the TCs...He suggests that for hundreds of years now the GCs have considered the TCs to be inferior to themselves culturally,economically,socially and politically...

I quote selectively:


"...The GCs,who have been in Cyprus for far longer than us,have always been more motivated in influencing the fate and the future of Cyprus... This was especially evident during the British rule...Their demand was for Enosis before independence...The emerging TC leadership was never able to put forward a credible alternative....After the Lausanne agreement Cyprus became a foreign country for Turkey...Under the circumstances the TC policy became one of hanging onto the British skirts...This was far from being a principled stand...
Economically too we were unable to make our mark...we never learned to stand on our own two feet...Even during the Ottoman rule TCs had little to do with administration...Later on with Eoka, with the exception of Grivas,who was of Cypriot origins anyway,all the key positions were held by GCs...But the TMT was always run by colonels from the Turkish army...
Even in rural centres the commander was from Turkey...Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...[b]Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


For Turkish speakers the link is:
http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php/cat/1/col/80/art/8377/PageName/Ana_sayfa

Something every TC has known all along, with the exception of yourself and Kikapu. As for you and Kikapu, I can only guess you are easily fooled. If you 2 think you are equal to the Greeks because you happen to exchange a few messages on a forum or get to know a few on your visits to the south you are very mistaken.

To the Greeks/GCs we are nothing but bellondo Turko.

[Get Real!]

Something every TC has known all along, with the exception of yourself and Kikapu. As for you and Kikapu, I can only guess you are easily fooled. If you 2 think you are equal to the Greeks because you happen to exchange a few messages on a forum or get to know a few on your visits to the south you are very mistaken.

To the Greeks/GCs we are nothing but bellondo Turko.

Your DUTY as a Turkish Cypriot is to COUNTER this article by brainstorming reasons WHY the Turkish Cypriots are “politically equal” to Greek Cypriots. Anything else you post here is nothing but irrelevant drivel further reinforcing Hasan’s allegation.

Start thinking seriously because I’m preparing a whole bunch of reasons why your people are NOT equal, on top of what Hasan has said so there’s a lot more trouble coming ahead…

[roseandchan]

in the uk, most greek cypriots and turkish cypriots get along fine together.

[BirKibrisli]

Hasan HASTURER is a columnist with the daily trnc newspaper,KIBRIS...

From what I hear he is a very respected journalist...I came across one of his columns recently which I found interesting...I am not in agreement with everything he says neccessarily,but those who are curious about what is going on in more "liberal" TC minds at this crucial time should keep on reading...

Hasturer argues that Christofias is handicapped in the current negotiations because of a historically inherited "chronic" preconception regarding the TCs...He suggests that for hundreds of years now the GCs have considered the TCs to be inferior to themselves culturally,economically,socially and politically...

I quote selectively:


"...The GCs,who have been in Cyprus for far longer than us,have always been more motivated in influencing the fate and the future of Cyprus... This was especially evident during the British rule...Their demand was for Enosis before independence...The emerging TC leadership was never able to put forward a credible alternative....After the Lausanne agreement Cyprus became a foreign country for Turkey...Under the circumstances the TC policy became one of hanging onto the British skirts...This was far from being a principled stand...
Economically too we were unable to make our mark...we never learned to stand on our own two feet...Even during the Ottoman rule TCs had little to do with administration...Later on with Eoka, with the exception of Grivas,who was of Cypriot origins anyway,all the key positions were held by GCs...But the TMT was always run by colonels from the Turkish army...
Even in rural centres the commander was from Turkey...Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...[b]Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


For Turkish speakers the link is:
http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php/cat/1/col/80/art/8377/PageName/Ana_sayfa

Something every TC has known all along, with the exception of yourself and Kikapu. As for you and Kikapu, I can only guess you are easily fooled. If you 2 think you are equal to the Greeks because you happen to exchange a few messages on a forum or get to know a few on your visits to the south you are very mistaken.

To the Greeks/GCs we are nothing but bellondo Turko.

I am interested to see what our GC compatriots think,UWS...
We are in the minority after all...And democratically speaking we are individually politically equal...I happen to believe that we can hold our own in a democratic unitary state where the organisations for human rights, justice,equal opportunity, and security work well...

To promote understanding,if not trust,I think it is worthwhile to let people know what goes on in some TC minds...Hasturer is not a fanatic...He probably speaks for a lot of TCs living in the trnc at the moment...

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

I am interested to see what our GC compatriots think,UWS...
We are in the minority after all...And democratically speaking we are individually politically equal...I happen to believe that we can hold our own in a democratic unitary state where the organisations for human rights, justice,equal opportunity, and security work well...

To promote understanding,if not trust,I think it is worthwhile to let people know what goes on in some TC minds...Hasturer is not a fanatic...He probably speaks for a lot of TCs living in the trnc at the moment...

What does 'political equals' mean anyway? To me it should mean every citizen has the same political influence on their nation. A one man - one vote system. Anything other than that is doomed to fail badly.

Turkish Cypriot conception of 'political equals' is to have the same numbers represented in government, even though their community is about 18% of their Cypriot nation - probably quite a bit smaller than that now considering many Turkish Cypriots have left the island. To have a minority dictate to a majority how to govern itself is defently NOT in keeping with modern democracy.

[Jerry]

I have always considered TCs individually as equals but as since their number is about one quarter of the GC population it is a nonsense to me that as a community they are equal. What the TCs do not understand is that this claim to "equality" is see as a legacy of Ottoman rule. "We were in charge for 300 years and we still have a degree of control over the Greek Cyprriots" is how "equality" is interpreted. Much of the trouble in Cyprus stems from the fact that the Turkish Cypriots were "rewarded" by the British with pressure from Turkey in 1960. The GCs on the other hand were "punished" for daring to oppose the Empire. The "equality" of the 1960 Constitution was supposed to protect the TC's position in the new State. Anyone with half a brain would see that the opposite was the most likely outcome as indeed it was. Britain didn't care - it still had its bases, Turkey and the TCs got most of what they wanted, Greece was glad to be rid of the Cyprus problem, The Greek Cypriots were stuffed!

[unitedwestand]

Something every TC has known all along, with the exception of yourself and Kikapu. As for you and Kikapu, I can only guess you are easily fooled. If you 2 think you are equal to the Greeks because you happen to exchange a few messages on a forum or get to know a few on your visits to the south you are very mistaken.

To the Greeks/GCs we are nothing but bellondo Turko.

Your DUTY as a Turkish Cypriot is to COUNTER this article by brainstorming reasons WHY the Turkish Cypriots are “politically equal” to Greek Cypriots. Anything else you post here is nothing but irrelevant drivel further reinforcing Hasan’s allegation.

Start thinking seriously because I’m preparing a whole bunch of reasons why your people are NOT equal, on top of what Hasan has said so there’s a lot more trouble coming ahead…

Knowing the type of people the Greeks and GCs are I see no point in trying to convince you or the likes of you.

You can waste as much time as you want in preparing your shit, I want even bother reading it. You, Kifeas and Piraitis are monotonous, same old crap. Not interested mate.

[xxNilxx]

our popluation is too small be equals with them - if we unite they will always be dominant... yep i've come accross the 'paliotourki' or 'bellos tourki' ones as well...

Güzel konuştun UnitedWeStand

[xxNilxx]

"liberal< quote

majority of TCs are liberal, especially the ones in Cyprus.