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CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

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Postby halil » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:09 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Niyazi Kizilyurek wrote:
“Leaders have engaged in genuine and meaningful dialogue today and have reviewed the results of the March 21 Agreement. They declared their allegiance to a Federation founded on a bizonal, bicommunal system based on political equality as defined by the related Security Council decisions. There will be a Turkish Cypriot co-founder state and a Greek Cypriot co-founder State alongside the international identity as Federal Government in this partnership.”

The lines above have been taken from the general statement made on May 23rd following the Mehmet Ali Talat-Demetris Christofias meeting.


The above paragraph is utter rubbish! If Niyazi Kizilyurek wrote the above thing, then he rightfully disserves the title of the “master of distortion and disinformation!” No where in the joined communiqué between Christofias and Talat of 21st of May does it say that they agreed on BBF that will be based on a partnership between two co-founding states! This is utter nonsense, product of wishful thinking and distortion!

This is what the joined communiqué of the two leaders actually says:

``They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status,``

Now, compare this with what Kizilyurek wrote after distorting it, in a very unskillful way I may add!

When doing so, do keep in mind that the two have been meeting and negotiating for years now as the leaders of the two communities, the GC and the TC ones, as it is also stipulated in all the UN SC resolutions calling upon them to reach a political settlement, and not as the leaders or presidents of any two separate states “existing” in Cyprus! Therefore, when the two are referring to a partnership, it is only a partnership between the two communities, as they were defined and emerged in the 1960 agreements and RoC constitution, because that is the capacity under which they both recognize each other and do negotiate! The federal State and government of Cyprus, as well as the two constituent states, are all by-products of this partnership between the two leaders (i.e. by-products of the existing partnership between the two communities, since 1960,) and not the other way around! Anyone knowing just a little bit of English will tell you that you cannot possibly interpret the above sentence in the communiqué to mean that the partnership itself and the federal government or state, are by-products of the an agreement between the two constituent states, set aside one between any two "co-founding" states!


check it from below link Kifeas ,

http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=2916

also check UN secretary latest report from UN page see what it is saying .
my translation might not satisfy you .
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:36 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:And Kikapu....Whatever happened to Zan???????

I doubt that he would simply go away.... :wink:

Bir,

Zan is either in Cyprus doing his patriotic duty to his idol Denktash and doing his military service, or he is ill, which he tends to become now and then, I'm sorry to say.

Either way, he will be back when he is ready. He doesn't need to hide behind a "mask" like some others and pretend to re-invent themselves. They just spew the same shit as before, only this time under a different name, so that, just in case there is peace, they won't look so bad when they have to face the same people they are always bitching about. Zan is much to strong character to pretend to be someone else, unlike MR-from-NG.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:45 pm

I wonder how thick someone can be, after so much explanation, to still not be able to understand the difference between the joined communiqué and what Niyazi Kizilyurek says?


Halil, with a blue color is how the joined communiqué was phrased! Underneath, with a red color, it is what Kizilyurek said! Can you now compare the two, spot the difference between them, and eventually make notice of Kizilyurek’s distortion? If you cannot do it even in this case, then I have to rest my case with you! Maybe only Kikapu or Bir will be able to help you!

They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status.

They declared their allegiance to a Federation founded on a bizonal, bicommunal system based on political equality as defined by the related Security Council decisions. There will be a Turkish Cypriot co-founder state and a Greek Cypriot co-founder State alongside the international identity as Federal Government in this partnership.
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Postby halil » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:12 pm

Kifeas wrote:I wonder how thick someone can be, after so much explanation, to still not be able to understand the difference between the joined communiqué and what Niyazi Kizilyurek says?


Halil, with a blue color is how the joined communiqué was phrased! Underneath, with a red color, it is what Kizilyurek said! Can you now compare the two, spot the difference between them, and eventually make notice of Kizilyurek’s distortion? If you cannot do it even in this case, then I have to rest my case with you! Maybe only Kikapu or Bir will be able to help you!

They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status.

They declared their allegiance to a Federation founded on a bizonal, bicommunal system based on political equality as defined by the related Security Council decisions. There will be a Turkish Cypriot co-founder state and a Greek Cypriot co-founder State alongside the international identity as Federal Government in this partnership.


and here is the this part from latest UN secretary report about Cyprus

“What is especially encouraging is that the leaders reconfirmed, at their meeting on the 23rd of May, the broad outline of a solution, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by the Security Council in its relevant resolutions” the UN Chief said.

He also noted that partnership, announced by the two leaders after a UN-backed meeting, is to comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.


we will see what the others will understand from this statement .

we can find different comments ,reading, version from others too . best think might be wait and see what out will come our leaders meetings at the end of the talks . what kind of the agreement they will bring for referandum .
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:18 pm

halil wrote:
Kifeas wrote:I wonder how thick someone can be, after so much explanation, to still not be able to understand the difference between the joined communiqué and what Niyazi Kizilyurek says?


Halil, with a blue color is how the joined communiqué was phrased! Underneath, with a red color, it is what Kizilyurek said! Can you now compare the two, spot the difference between them, and eventually make notice of Kizilyurek’s distortion? If you cannot do it even in this case, then I have to rest my case with you! Maybe only Kikapu or Bir will be able to help you!

They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status.

They declared their allegiance to a Federation founded on a bizonal, bicommunal system based on political equality as defined by the related Security Council decisions. There will be a Turkish Cypriot co-founder state and a Greek Cypriot co-founder State alongside the international identity as Federal Government in this partnership.


and here is the this part from latest UN secretary report about Cyprus

“What is especially encouraging is that the leaders reconfirmed, at their meeting on the 23rd of May, the broad outline of a solution, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by the Security Council in its relevant resolutions” the UN Chief said.

He also noted that partnership, announced by the two leaders after a UN-backed meeting, is to comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.


we will see what the others will understand from this statement .

we can find different comments ,reading, version from others too . best think might be wait and see what out will come our leaders meetings at the end of the talks . what kind of the agreement they will bring for referandum .


Even I can see that now that is more like Kifeas says it is ....
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:45 pm

The only time one needs to rewrite anything with a distorted twist to it, is to distort the facts and create fiction. Some people are in the belief, that if you lie enough times, then it will be accepted as being the truth.

It works wonders with IDIOTS. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:47 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
I must confess my desire sometimes to reinvent myself as Mae West or Dracula or something.... :twisted:


If you become Mae West, then I want to become W. C. Fields.. :lol: :lol: :lol:


You will have to explain the link between the two,Kikapu....
I am not on top of all this Hollywood stuff...

:oops: :oops:


It's to do with a film Mae West and W. C. Fields did together back in 1940 called "My Little Chickadee".

So, do you have a similar kinky fantasy to Bir Kiks? :wink: :wink: :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:47 pm

Kifeas wrote:I wonder how thick someone can be, after so much explanation, to still not be able to understand the difference between the joined communiqué and what Niyazi Kizilyurek says?

Yesterday you suggested I visit a psychiatrist yet here you are today being so easily taken for a ride by a plagiarist who doesn’t even bloody read what he pastes! Image
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:59 pm

Kikapu wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:And Kikapu....Whatever happened to Zan???????

I doubt that he would simply go away.... :wink:

Bir,

Zan is either in Cyprus doing his patriotic duty to his idol Denktash and doing his military service, or he is ill, which he tends to become now and then, I'm sorry to say.

There are rumors that Zan's gone from Electrician to standup comedian... 8)

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus17568.html
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:And Kikapu....Whatever happened to Zan???????

I doubt that he would simply go away.... :wink:

Bir,

Zan is either in Cyprus doing his patriotic duty to his idol Denktash and doing his military service, or he is ill, which he tends to become now and then, I'm sorry to say.

There are rumors that Zan's gone from Electrician to standup comedian... 8)

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus17568.html


Zan was always the comedian, just not funny.!! :lol: :lol:
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