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Re: CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:02 pm

Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


I disagree! .... the best Loukoumades and shamisi I ever had were made by the GC baker in Palmers Green ... 8)


At last a serious disagreement on a matter of substance.

I don't agree. The best lokmades and shamishe are to be had just down Green Lanes at Yasir Halim's in Haringey.


Doesn't count :roll: ... He is a Kurd, not TC!


Is there a link to support this claim ?
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Re: CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

Postby Oracle » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:51 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


I disagree! .... the best Loukoumades and shamisi I ever had were made by the GC baker in Palmers Green ... 8)


At last a serious disagreement on a matter of substance.

I don't agree. The best lokmades and shamishe are to be had just down Green Lanes at Yasir Halim's in Haringey.


Doesn't count :roll: ... He is a Kurd, not TC!


Is there a link to support this claim ?


.... Only the most CREDIBLE 8)

(1.). www.loukmades/R/Us//Kurd/Yasir.Halim/co//.com
(2.). The Daily Shamishi Gazette: "The PKK sample delights from Green Lanes ...": Jan 2008
(3). The Turkish Deep State Fryer. "Rosewater Embargoes cut deep into Kurdish Resistance Finances ...": April 2007
(4.). Oracle's Older Brother
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Re: CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:17 pm

Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


I disagree! .... the best Loukoumades and shamisi I ever had were made by the GC baker in Palmers Green ... 8)


At last a serious disagreement on a matter of substance.

I don't agree. The best lokmades and shamishe are to be had just down Green Lanes at Yasir Halim's in Haringey.


Doesn't count :roll: ... He is a Kurd, not TC!


Is there a link to support this claim ?


.... Only the most CREDIBLE 8)

(1.). www.loukmades/R/Us//Kurd/Yasir.Halim/co//.com
(2.). The Daily Shamishi Gazette: "The PKK sample delights from Green Lanes ...": Jan 2008
(3). The Turkish Deep State Fryer. "Rosewater Embargoes cut deep into Kurdish Resistance Finances ...": April 2007
(4.). Oracle's Older Brother



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Re: CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

Postby Kifeas » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:59 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:Hasan HASTURER is a columnist with the daily trnc newspaper,KIBRIS...

From what I hear he is a very respected journalist...I came across one of his columns recently which I found interesting...I am not in agreement with everything he says neccessarily,but those who are curious about what is going on in more "liberal" TC minds at this crucial time should keep on reading...

Hasturer argues that Christofias is handicapped in the current negotiations because of a historically inherited "chronic" preconception regarding the TCs...He suggests that for hundreds of years now the GCs have considered the TCs to be inferior to themselves culturally,economically,socially and politically...

I quote selectively:


"...The GCs,who have been in Cyprus for far longer than us,have always been more motivated in influencing the fate and the future of Cyprus... This was especially evident during the British rule...Their demand was for Enosis before independence...The emerging TC leadership was never able to put forward a credible alternative....After the Lausanne agreement Cyprus became a foreign country for Turkey...Under the circumstances the TC policy became one of hanging onto the British skirts...This was far from being a principled stand...
Economically too we were unable to make our mark...we never learned to stand on our own two feet...Even during the Ottoman rule TCs had little to do with administration...Later on with Eoka, with the exception of Grivas,who was of Cypriot origins anyway,all the key positions were held by GCs...But the TMT was always run by colonels from the Turkish army...
Even in rural centres the commander was from Turkey...Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...


What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


For Turkish speakers the link is:
http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php/cat/1/col/80/art/8377/PageName/Ana_sayfa


Bir, the last time I checked, it is the TCs that subscribe fervently (and they even have the kids in schools singing it, and paint it on posters, walls and mountains) to Ataturk's slogans that "one Turk equals the whole world," and "happy the one able to say he is a Turk!" :wink:

It is true that GCs have reservations to this notion of political equality, simply because the way the TCs seem to understand it is to work against the equality between each and every individual citizen (a more sacred right,) on the basis of their ethnic origin! The fact that one group is 4 times larger than the other, set aside the fact that the larger group has also a historical presence in Cyprus dating back since the beginnings of written history (or some 4,000 long,) while the other only about 400 years, is reason enough, alone and by itself, for the GCs to have reservations on this idea of political equality! If this shouldn’t have been of any concern, then why don't do the mainland Turks allow political equality of a similar nature to their Kurdish co-citizens, or the white Americans to their Afro-American co-citizens, etc? Why only the GCs to be the "unreasonable and racist odd ones out," and not every other single nation or country on this planet too, including the TC's mainland Turkish "brothers?" :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:26 pm

:shock: Pheeew! .... Is it safe to assume Kifeas has left (without making a diagnosis)?

OK, we can carry on being silly again! :lol:
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:32 pm

No Oracle, I haven't left!
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:35 pm

:shock: OK ... I'll behave this time.... :wink:

(I'll just read; keep writing please!)
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Re: CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

Postby karma » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:46 pm

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Bir, the last time I checked, it is the TCs that subscribe fervently (and they even have the kids in schools singing it, and paint it on posters, walls and mountains) to Ataturk's slogans that "one Turk equals the whole world," and "happy the one able to say he is a Turk!" :wink:

It is true that GCs have reservations to this notion of political equality, simply because the way the TCs seem to understand it is to work against the equality between each and every individual citizen (a more sacred right,) on the basis of their ethnic origin! The fact that one group is 4 times larger than the other, set aside the fact that the larger group has also a historical presence in Cyprus dating back since the beginnings of written history (or some 4,000 long,) while the other only about 400 years, is reason enough, alone and by itself, for the GCs to have reservations on this idea of political equality! If this shouldn’t have been of any concern, then why don't do the mainland Turks allow political equality of a similar nature to their Kurdish co-citizens, or the white Americans to their Afro-American co-citizens, etc? Why only the GCs to be the "unreasonable and racist odd ones out," and not every other single nation or country on this planet too, including the TC's mainland Turkish "brothers?" :wink:


U have already replied ur own question, if one Turk equals the whole world , 1 Turkish Cypriot should equal at least 4 Greek Cypriots :D
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Postby roseandchan » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:18 pm

in the uk our mp's , have a mix of different racial backgrounds, it seems to work because most communities feel they have representation. same in the army and police.
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Re: CAN GCs AND TCs BE POLITICAL EQUALS?????????

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:22 pm

unitedwestand wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Hasan HASTURER is a columnist with the daily trnc newspaper,KIBRIS...

From what I hear he is a very respected journalist...I came across one of his columns recently which I found interesting...I am not in agreement with everything he says neccessarily,but those who are curious about what is going on in more "liberal" TC minds at this crucial time should keep on reading...

Hasturer argues that Christofias is handicapped in the current negotiations because of a historically inherited "chronic" preconception regarding the TCs...He suggests that for hundreds of years now the GCs have considered the TCs to be inferior to themselves culturally,economically,socially and politically...

I quote selectively:


"...The GCs,who have been in Cyprus for far longer than us,have always been more motivated in influencing the fate and the future of Cyprus... This was especially evident during the British rule...Their demand was for Enosis before independence...The emerging TC leadership was never able to put forward a credible alternative....After the Lausanne agreement Cyprus became a foreign country for Turkey...Under the circumstances the TC policy became one of hanging onto the British skirts...This was far from being a principled stand...
Economically too we were unable to make our mark...we never learned to stand on our own two feet...Even during the Ottoman rule TCs had little to do with administration...Later on with Eoka, with the exception of Grivas,who was of Cypriot origins anyway,all the key positions were held by GCs...But the TMT was always run by colonels from the Turkish army...
Even in rural centres the commander was from Turkey...Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...[b]Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi".
..[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????


For Turkish speakers the link is:
http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php/cat/1/col/80/art/8377/PageName/Ana_sayfa


Something every TC has known all along, with the exception of yourself and Kikapu. As for you and Kikapu, I can only guess you are easily fooled. If you 2 think you are equal to the Greeks because you happen to exchange a few messages on a forum or get to know a few on your visits to the south you are very mistaken.

To the Greeks/GCs we are nothing but bellondo Turko.


Bir, welcome back,

While you were away, GR and I uncovered the mask of who unitedwestand is, but he chooses to continue staying in the "closet". He is no other than our friend MR-from-NG. One of these days, he will come out of the "closet", but he is a little shy right now. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Another one of your signature posts above MR-from-NG. :lol: :lol:

I'm watching your every move MR-from-NG.. :wink: :wink:
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