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[Get Real!]

Something every TC has known all along, with the exception of yourself and Kikapu. As for you and Kikapu, I can only guess you are easily fooled. If you 2 think you are equal to the Greeks because you happen to exchange a few messages on a forum or get to know a few on your visits to the south you are very mistaken.

To the Greeks/GCs we are nothing but bellondo Turko.

Your DUTY as a Turkish Cypriot is to COUNTER this article by brainstorming reasons WHY the Turkish Cypriots are “politically equal” to Greek Cypriots. Anything else you post here is nothing but irrelevant drivel further reinforcing Hasan’s allegation.

Start thinking seriously because I’m preparing a whole bunch of reasons why your people are NOT equal, on top of what Hasan has said so there’s a lot more trouble coming ahead…

Knowing the type of people the Greeks and GCs are I see no point in trying to convince you or the likes of you.

You can waste as much time as you want in preparing your shit, I want even bother reading it. You, Kifeas and Piraitis are monotonous, same old crap. Not interested mate.

It’s no good hoisting red banners with “We are politically equal” slogans in London and elsewhere if you cannot even answer the simple question…WHY.

It’s all been in vain then hasn’t it? So, is it any wonder why your movement hasn’t achieved any of its objectives?

[-mikkie2-]

My view is that the Tc's in a unitary state would possibly hold the balance of power. It is well known that GC's are split between left and right. It therefore would stand to reason that a politically well organised TC community could hold the balance of power and hence gain their fair share of political influence in the RoC.

The problem with the RoC as it stands is that it is a bicommunal republic! It is actually DETRIMENTAL in the sense that it makes one community feel inferior to the other from the word go.

In any mature democracy, you generally find that the minorities hold the balance of power. It would be the same in Cyprus if the people were allowed to politically mature and the TC's would play a full and active part in that and have the political and social influence that they deserve to have.

I think its true that many GC's looked down on the TC's but if you talk to many GC's now, many would agree that they themselves as a community fostered that situation and even more so after independence because of the feeling that TC's gained a disproportionate influence in the workings of government and as such fostered some resentment in the GC community. Many Gc's DO blame their community and openly admit to it.

I also think that the pursuit of Enosis also polarised the GC community and as such, in the 1960's a truly unitary state would fall apart anyway due to the polarisation of the 2 communities towards partition or Enosis.

Today, if the bicommunal nature of the constitution were eliminated I think you may find the TC's will have a more influential role in Cypriot politics. But this I think is probably a step too far for many TC's. It is the fear of the past that drives the future for many of them. On the GC side, I think the lesson has been painfully learnt and that is demostrtated by the change of leadership in February to a pro solution president.

[BirKibrisli]

So is Hasturer right when he claims Christofias is handicapped by this "preconception" held by the majority of the GCs??? If so how will we ever agree on a BBF that will begin with the premise that the two communities are politically equal???? What is the game being played here??? Christofias must know that he will never get the agreement based on political equality pass the GC referandum...Or does he know something we don't????

[-mikkie2-]

No, I don't think he is right.

If you have noticed, the GC public is slowly being fed that the solution will be a compromise and that it would be a federal state with all that implies.

The KEY to a solution is to reach a solution that is AGREED by the two leaders. If we have the situation in 2004 where there was no mutual agreement, the referendums were bound to be a failure. However, this time around a referendum will not occur unless the two leaders have agreed and accepted the final form of the solution before being put to referendum.

Part of this process is also softening up public opinion and to have all the political parties being supportive of the process. I think Christofias, to his credit, has confronted the negative parties such as DIKO and EDEK. They are getting fewer and fewer excuses to complain about the current process.

[Jerry]

No, I don't think he is right.

If you have noticed, the GC public is slowly being fed that the solution will be a compromise and that it would be a federal state with all that implies.

The KEY to a solution is to reach a solution that is AGREED by the two leaders. If we have the situation in 2004 where there was no mutual agreement, the referendums were bound to be a failure. However, this time around a referendum will not occur unless the two leaders have agreed and accepted the final form of the solution before being put to referendum.

Part of this process is also softening up public opinion and to have all the political parties being supportive of the process. I think Christofias, to his credit, has confronted the negative parties such as DIKO and EDEK. They are getting fewer and fewer excuses to complain about the current process.

Christofias may be able to "sell" the GCs a compromise solution that appears better than the status quo but if the solution is in fact not fair as measured by normal standards of democracy then one day another Papadopoulos will come along and start crying on the TV. The problem with a federation based on geography is that if one side decides to break away the other cannot really stop it without bloodshed. A solution whereby the GCs recover a fair share of land (80% ?)and the TCs have a large degree of control in the north is the best we can hope for. Perhaps then under the EU umbrella the two communities could gradually merge together again, if they fail partition would be relatively straightforward.

[Oracle]

Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????

I disagree! .... the best Loukoumades and shamisi I ever had were made by the GC baker in Palmers Green ...

[Andros]

Oracle,

I agree - I believe the outlet is called - AROMA!

[Oracle]

Oracle,

I agree - I believe the outlet is called - AROMA!

You are still trying to convince me you are GC from North London!

But even Viewpoint would agree they are the best, so keep trying

(I must admit, I don't remember the name ... I usually dive straight in, and haven't been for years )

[bill cobbett]

Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????

I disagree! .... the best Loukoumades and shamisi I ever had were made by the GC baker in Palmers Green ...

At last a serious disagreement on a matter of substance.

I don't agree. The best lokmades and shamishe are to be had just down Green Lanes at Yasir Halim's in Haringey.

[Oracle]

Over the years the TCs could never manage to become a distinct community,enough to demand political equality with the GCs...Hence the preconception that they were a lower class of people only fit to make "lokma" and "shamishi"...[/b]

What do you think???Is this the real reason why the GCs are finding it very hard to accept the TCs as their political equals????

I disagree! .... the best Loukoumades and shamisi I ever had were made by the GC baker in Palmers Green ...

At last a serious disagreement on a matter of substance.

I don't agree. The best lokmades and shamishe are to be had just down Green Lanes at Yasir Halim's in Haringey.

Doesn't count ... He is a Kurd, not TC!