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[roseandchan]

anything to do with gordon brown is destined to fail, just look at the uk economy right now. next election he will be gone

[Oracle]

This isn't one of Gordon Brown's "initiatives".

[Paphitis]

Christofias's English and word selections is what I would expect Halil to sound like in person judging from his written English.

Perhaps Bananiot, Iceman, DT, GR, or Miltiades can confirm this for me.!

Next time you are in Cyprus, you can meet him and find out for your self.

That would be better than finding out from second hand information.

[Kikapu]

Christofias's English and word selections is what I would expect Halil to sound like in person judging from his written English.

Perhaps Bananiot, Iceman, DT, GR, or Miltiades can confirm this for me.!

Next time you are in Cyprus, you can meet him and find out for your self.

That would be better than finding out from second hand information.

Halil may become fluent by the time I come back to Cyprus, therefore, that will not answer my question of him now.!!!

[Kifeas]

Ercakica argued that there are two separate political entities in Cyprus and that the solution to the Cyprus problem will be based on this reality; Reactions to the memorandum between the UK and Cyprus


Turkish Cypriot daily Kibris newspaper (06.06.08 ) reports that Hasan Ercakica, spokesman of the Turkish Cypriot leader Talat, has evaluated the memorandum signed yesterday in London between the Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom.
In a written statement issued yesterday, Mr Ercakica alleged that the memorandum does not reflect the realities in Cyprus and contains approaches which will influence negatively the efforts for a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus problem. Mr Ercakica described the memorandum as unacceptable.

By accepting this memorandum, Christofias is behaving inconsistently on the issue of the agreements reached with our president and he is bringing to light a credibility problem which will influence the negotiating process, he claimed.

Referring to the British officials, Mr Ercakica alleged that they themselves are casting doubts about their statements that they will support the new negotiating process which started on 21 March. He also alleged that the Greek Cypriot side is recently searching for a solution to the Cyprus problem in places other than the UN and that the UK has supported this effort for the sake of improving its relations with the Greek Cypriot side.

The spokesman of the Turkish Cypriot leader added:

The fact that in this memorandum there is reference to the measures taken by the Greek Cypriot side for the Turkish Cypriot people, and Britain expressed its support to these measures, is an example of complete recklessness. There are no such measures or a people who accept them or results which have been taken or could be taken from these measures. Just as it is not the duty of the Greek Cypriot side to take measures for the Turkish Cypriot people, in the same manner the approval of these measures is not entrusted to Britain. If there are such measures, their evaluation is a matter of the will of the Turkish Cypriot people.

Mr Ercakica described as an example of strangeness the fact that the memorandum says that a separate political entity will not be recognized or upgraded on the island and added: Just like the whole world, Christofias and the British officials know that there are two separate political entities on the island of Cyprus and the solution which will be reached to the Cyprus problem will be based on this reality.

He alleged that the British officials are providing to the Greek Cypriots support which they do not deserve with the motive of preserving their bases on the island. He claimed that president Christofias has no authority and power on the occupied northern part of Cyprus and on the Turkish Cypriot people and added that the memorandum does not bind the Turkish Cypriots and has no validity in the occupied northern part of Cyprus.

Meanwhile, Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (06.06.08 ) refers to the issue under the title British seal on the new process and notes that President Christofias is restoring the bilateral relations with Britain which were spoiled during the Papadopoulos period. The paper writes that after the memorandum, Britain is preparing to undertake an active role in the new process in Cyprus.

Furthermore, Turkish Cypriot daily Halkin Sesi newspaper (06.06.08 ) refers to the issue under the title The TRNC to Britain: Do not commit recklessness.

In addition, Turkish Cypriot daily Yeni Duzen newspaper (06.06.08 ) covers the issue under the title British knot and argues that the memorandum sealed the solution process of the Cyprus problem as a British knot.

Furthermore, Turkish Cypriot daily Star Kibris newspaper (06.06.08 ) refers to the memorandum under the title The memorandum raised the fever and notes that the TRNC is angry.

Meanwhile, Turkish Cypriot daily Kibrisli newspaper (06.06.08 ) covers the issue under the title A Complete recklessness.

Finally, Turkish Cypriot daily Vatan newspaper (06.06.08 ) covers the issue under the title Unacceptable and refers to the statements of Mr Ercakica.

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/200 ... pr.html#01

1. How more diluted someone can be, to be the only one seeing "realities" that no one else, neither the UN, nor the EU, the UK, the US and all the rest of the planet can see?

2. Does anyone know when did Chritofias meet with Ercakica's "president" -set aside reaching an agreement with him?

[Get Real!]

Christofias's English and word selections is what I would expect Halil to sound like in person judging from his written English.

Perhaps Bananiot, Iceman, DT, GR, or Miltiades can confirm this for me.!

Compared to Halil, Christofias is a MASTER of spoken English…

[Paphitis]

Christofias's English and word selections is what I would expect Halil to sound like in person judging from his written English.

Perhaps Bananiot, Iceman, DT, GR, or Miltiades can confirm this for me.!

Next time you are in Cyprus, you can meet him and find out for your self.

That would be better than finding out from second hand information.

Halil may become fluent by the time I come back to Cyprus, therefore, that will not answer my question of him now.!!!

Don't you live in Switzerland? Airfares to Cyprus from Switzerland are so cheap. Surely you will be visiting Cyprus in the near future.

[roseandchan]

gordon brown managed the uk finances for about the last ten years. now the books don't balance and tony the fox blair has done a runner to the middle east,gordon has to face the music alone. what a mess.

[Viewpoint]

I noticed Gordon Brown did not quite manage to say it clearly .... and political equality just means one-man one-vote ..... That's all you're getting VP, if you are man enough

We will see who gets the last laugh, the compromise will be TCs have veto rights on predetermined sensitive issues.

Sounded loud and clear to me maybe you just don't want to hear it that you block it out, its hereditary in GCs

I also thought that Christofias came across extremely well considering its a second language for him, and even more remarkable if as Bananiot says, he couldn't speak English at all until a while ago.

This is from the "Memorandum of understanding between the Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom"....

The Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom will cooperate in the following areas:

Both countries commit themselves to working together to reunify the island. The aim is a comprehensive and durable settlement based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality, as defined by the relevant UN resolutions and the principles upon which the EU is founded. This settlement must be based on a single sovereignty, international personality and a single citizenship.

Full text and additional points can be found here ..........
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page15670.asp

Thanks for posting that 74LB.

The take-home message of greatest significance for me which VP will oppose when it sinks home was this:

Therefore the UK will not support any moves towards the partition of the island or the recognition or up-grading of any separate political entity on the island.

No up-grading means no separate "statelet" or community recognition for TCs. You join Cyprus as individuals ... like the rest of us!

Who said we are after recognition at this stage, if that was the case then we woudl not be negotiating, get a grip President Talat has never stated he wants recognition. BBF with political equality is good enough for us because its a compromise which we accept, its you that has the problem.

The problem is that you cling to the term political equality thinking it means you are going to form a separate entity that has the same power as another separate entity.

But from a holistic appraisal of the situation, political equality just means you get absorbed into the RoC, no upgrading of any separate political equality.

One-man one-vote VP ... that is all you will be entitled to in terms of "equality".

Don't forget, this is just the UK not losing face as a former guarantor ... trying to get a foot in before the real settlement progresses; which is towards a more pro- RoC stance from our motherland ... the European Union in its entirety

As I have stated before BBF with political equality is what TCs will accept, Oracle do you realize what that entails? 2 states joined at the federal level and political equality of those 2 states 50 50 but imho this will be where TCs will compromise to accept the right to say no on predetermined sensitive issues. You should revise your understanding of BBF with political equality because your leader has accepted what I describe above if you don't believe me ask Bananiot who will explain it to you.

[Viewpoint]

BTW Viewpoint ... since you are no longer after recognition for the "trnc" ... are you going to have a formal "dissolution"? ..... and can we just go back to all calling it the Turkish occupied north of Cyprus?

(..... just for a few months, that is ..... until France and the EU have appraised their military exercises in our waters, and arrive en masse to force Turkey out of the EU )

Dont get to excited recognition is on the back burner untill a time we and everyone else realizes that we can never find a solution, the TRNC will continue as is and we will be demanding recognition becuase the GCs said NO once again, but for now if BBF with political equality is on offer we will take it, its up to you to bring home another rejection.