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[74LB]

I noticed Gordon Brown did not quite manage to say it clearly .... and political equality just means one-man one-vote ..... That's all you're getting VP, if you are man enough

We will see who gets the last laugh, the compromise will be TCs have veto rights on predetermined sensitive issues.

Sounded loud and clear to me maybe you just don't want to hear it that you block it out, its hereditary in GCs

I also thought that Christofias came across extremely well considering its a second language for him, and even more remarkable if as Bananiot says, he couldn't speak English at all until a while ago.

This is from the "Memorandum of understanding between the Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom"....

The Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom will cooperate in the following areas:

Both countries commit themselves to working together to reunify the island. The aim is a comprehensive and durable settlement based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality, as defined by the relevant UN resolutions and the principles upon which the EU is founded. This settlement must be based on a single sovereignty, international personality and a single citizenship.

Full text and additional points can be found here ..........
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page15670.asp

[Viewpoint]

His command of the English language was good but whats it important is the positive message he is trying to purvey, he comes across as wanting to genuinely include the TCs in a solution. The very important factor for me is the political equality issue if it has Bananiot states then a great deal of the obstacles have finally been removed.

[DT.]

His command of the English language was good but whats it important is the positive message he is trying to purvey, he comes across as wanting to genuinely include the TCs in a solution. The very important factor for me is the political equality issue if it has Bananiot states then a great deal of the obstacles have finally been removed.

The most you can expect on this VP is equality on certain sensitive issues on a federal level. Anything else will be turned down by a referendum. Anyne who tries to sell the formula 18=82 will fail.

[Oracle]

I noticed Gordon Brown did not quite manage to say it clearly .... and political equality just means one-man one-vote ..... That's all you're getting VP, if you are man enough

We will see who gets the last laugh, the compromise will be TCs have veto rights on predetermined sensitive issues.

Sounded loud and clear to me maybe you just don't want to hear it that you block it out, its hereditary in GCs

I also thought that Christofias came across extremely well considering its a second language for him, and even more remarkable if as Bananiot says, he couldn't speak English at all until a while ago.

This is from the "Memorandum of understanding between the Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom"....

The Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom will cooperate in the following areas:

Both countries commit themselves to working together to reunify the island. The aim is a comprehensive and durable settlement based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality, as defined by the relevant UN resolutions and the principles upon which the EU is founded. This settlement must be based on a single sovereignty, international personality and a single citizenship.

Full text and additional points can be found here ..........
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page15670.asp

Thanks for posting that 74LB.

The take-home message of greatest significance for me which VP will oppose when it sinks home was this:

Therefore the UK will not support any moves towards the partition of the island or the recognition or up-grading of any separate political entity on the island.

No up-grading means no separate "statelet" or community recognition for TCs. You join Cyprus as individuals ... like the rest of us!

[Viewpoint]

I noticed Gordon Brown did not quite manage to say it clearly .... and political equality just means one-man one-vote ..... That's all you're getting VP, if you are man enough

We will see who gets the last laugh, the compromise will be TCs have veto rights on predetermined sensitive issues.

Sounded loud and clear to me maybe you just don't want to hear it that you block it out, its hereditary in GCs

I also thought that Christofias came across extremely well considering its a second language for him, and even more remarkable if as Bananiot says, he couldn't speak English at all until a while ago.

This is from the "Memorandum of understanding between the Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom"....

The Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom will cooperate in the following areas:

Both countries commit themselves to working together to reunify the island. The aim is a comprehensive and durable settlement based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality, as defined by the relevant UN resolutions and the principles upon which the EU is founded. This settlement must be based on a single sovereignty, international personality and a single citizenship.

Full text and additional points can be found here ..........
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page15670.asp

Thanks for posting that 74LB.

The take-home message of greatest significance for me which VP will oppose when it sinks home was this:

Therefore the UK will not support any moves towards the partition of the island or the recognition or up-grading of any separate political entity on the island.

No up-grading means no separate "statelet" or community recognition for TCs. You join Cyprus as individuals ... like the rest of us!

Who said we are after recognition at this stage, if that was the case then we woudl not be negotiating, get a grip President Talat has never stated he wants recognition. BBF with political equality is good enough for us because its a compromise which we accept, its you that has the problem.

[Oracle]

I noticed Gordon Brown did not quite manage to say it clearly .... and political equality just means one-man one-vote ..... That's all you're getting VP, if you are man enough

We will see who gets the last laugh, the compromise will be TCs have veto rights on predetermined sensitive issues.

Sounded loud and clear to me maybe you just don't want to hear it that you block it out, its hereditary in GCs

I also thought that Christofias came across extremely well considering its a second language for him, and even more remarkable if as Bananiot says, he couldn't speak English at all until a while ago.

This is from the "Memorandum of understanding between the Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom"....

The Republic of Cyprus and the United Kingdom will cooperate in the following areas:

Both countries commit themselves to working together to reunify the island. The aim is a comprehensive and durable settlement based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality, as defined by the relevant UN resolutions and the principles upon which the EU is founded. This settlement must be based on a single sovereignty, international personality and a single citizenship.

Full text and additional points can be found here ..........
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page15670.asp

Thanks for posting that 74LB.

The take-home message of greatest significance for me which VP will oppose when it sinks home was this:

Therefore the UK will not support any moves towards the partition of the island or the recognition or up-grading of any separate political entity on the island.

No up-grading means no separate "statelet" or community recognition for TCs. You join Cyprus as individuals ... like the rest of us!

Who said we are after recognition at this stage, if that was the case then we woudl not be negotiating, get a grip President Talat has never stated he wants recognition. BBF with political equality is good enough for us because its a compromise which we accept, its you that has the problem.

The problem is that you cling to the term political equality thinking it means you are going to form a separate entity that has the same power as another separate entity.

But from a holistic appraisal of the situation, political equality just means you get absorbed into the RoC, no upgrading of any separate political equality.

One-man one-vote VP ... that is all you will be entitled to in terms of "equality".

Don't forget, this is just the UK not losing face as a former guarantor ... trying to get a foot in before the real settlement progresses; which is towards a more pro- RoC stance from our motherland ... the European Union in its entirety

[Oracle]

BTW Viewpoint ... since you are no longer after recognition for the "trnc" ... are you going to have a formal "dissolution"? ..... and can we just go back to all calling it the Turkish occupied north of Cyprus?

(..... just for a few months, that is ..... until France and the EU have appraised their military exercises in our waters, and arrive en masse to force Turkey out of the EU )

[Viewpoint]

His command of the English language was good but whats it important is the positive message he is trying to purvey, he comes across as wanting to genuinely include the TCs in a solution. The very important factor for me is the political equality issue if it has Bananiot states then a great deal of the obstacles have finally been removed.

The most you can expect on this VP is equality on certain sensitive issues on a federal level. Anything else will be turned down by a referendum. Anyne who tries to sell the formula 18=82 will fail.

Thats what wwe have been saying all along we do not want to delay or stop the daily running of the country as we to would be effected but we do need the right to say no just as you do in the EU.

[Kikapu]

His command of the English language was good but whats it important is the positive message he is trying to purvey, he comes across as wanting to genuinely include the TCs in a solution. The very important factor for me is the political equality issue if it has Bananiot states then a great deal of the obstacles have finally been removed.

The most you can expect on this VP is equality on certain sensitive issues on a federal level. Anything else will be turned down by a referendum. Anyne who tries to sell the formula 18=82 will fail.

Thats what wwe have been saying all along we do not want to delay or stop the daily running of the country as we to would be effected but we do need the right to say no just as you do in the EU.

VP,

I'm just playing word games here, so keep calm.!!

First you mention in wanting political equality and in the same breath, you say you want a veto power. But doesn't a
veto power in essence becomes political inequality since it will give you a 100% decision making power, so where is the political equality in that.??

There has to be a better way to protect the interests of the TC's than a veto power. Don't forget, we had veto power before and it did not work.

[Kikapu]

Christofias's English and word selections is what I would expect Halil to sound like in person judging from his written English.

Perhaps Bananiot, Iceman, DT, GR, or Miltiades can confirm this for me.!