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[MicAtCyp]

Any TC and any Turkish can freely get marry to anyone, anywhere in the world he/she wishes as long as he/she proves that he/she is single.

Can you give us some information how a marriage is done? I mean when I was in the Gulf the groom would go at the mens mosque and the bride at the womens mosque.(Two totally different mosques). Then they would meet at the hotel and be greeted by their guests as a couple! I never really understood when the marriage certificate was issued! Does the Imam or the Hoca accept to issue a certificate between a man who is not a mouslim and a woman who is a mouslim? Or perhaps what you said above applies only to civil marriages?

To return you the favor heres how is done among us.
a)Church marriage:Both bride and groom meet at the church.The priests do a ceremony.After that they issue marriage certificates which are then accepted by the state as legal documents.The church however refuses to marry Christians which are not both Orthodox. For example it refuses to marry a Maronite (catholic) with a GC (orthodox)

The situation is the same with the catholic church (maronites) even worse. Because according to the catholic church the Maronites once they get married can NEVER divorce! So the Maronites NEVER divorce... thats why they have the highest possible rate of adulteries!

b)Civilian marriage. Here the relegion is totally irrelevant.Bride and groom go to the town hall, the mayor says some poems, and after 5 minutes they get their marriage certificates.

[Main_Source]

Whats worse, calling VP a name or purposely trying to manipulate a false sense of animosity for someones own political gain. Stop treating this VP guy with kid gloves, he types a lot of malicious lies.

[garbitsch]

Turkish Cypriots never have religious marriages. They only do civil marriages and marrying in a mosque is not regarded with sympathy. This is true in Turkey aswell, I think the govt had banned religious marriages, however there are many people who have religious marriages but not civil marriages. This is the main problem in Turkey.

[magikthrill]

The church however refuses to marry Christians which are not both Orthodox. For example it refuses to marry a Maronite (catholic) with a GC (orthodox)

Actually this depends on the priest. I know of people who have had religious weddings before getting baptized or not even getting baptized at all.

[insan]

Can you give us some information how a marriage is done? I mean when I was in the Gulf the groom would go at the mens mosque and the bride at the womens mosque.(Two totally different mosques). Then they would meet at the hotel and be greeted by their guests as a couple! I never really understood when the marriage certificate was issued! Does the Imam or the Hoca accept to issue a certificate between a man who is not a mouslim and a woman who is a mouslim? Or perhaps what you said above applies only to civil marriages?

The modernist Turks go to a local registry office to have their marriage solemnized, legally. However the conservatist Turks first go to an imam (or the imam comes where they wish) to have their marriage solemnized. This is called "imam marriage" or "religious marriage". It's not a legally recognized marriage. For most of the conservatist Turks this is just a religous tradition should be fulfilled. Because of this, after having their marriage solemnized by imam, they go to a local, registry office to also have their marriage solemnized legally.

In rural areas of Turkey many men exploit the religious marriage to have 2,3 and even up to 5 women simultanesously. A wile ago, a new law enacted to prevent exploitation of religious marriage. This new law is obliged the ones who have religious marriage to register it in registry office in 6 months.

[turkcyp]

MicAtCyp,

In islam there is no such thing as religious marriage my friend,

Every marriage done in north is done as civil marriage and if they want to add religion in to the picture after they are married in civil marriage they go to hoca and have his blessings.

But you can not go to hoca and say "marry us and think that it will be considered as legal marriage". The only legal marriage is civil marriage. Even christians if they want to marry legaly in north thay have to perform civil marriage because churches in north Cyprus does not have the legal authority to marry somebody. They can marry in church if they want to but in the eyes of the state that marriage is null and void unless a civil marriage is also done.

[insan]

Does the Imam or the Hoca accept to issue a certificate between a man who is not a mouslim and a woman who is a mouslim?

Imam does not issue a marriage certificate re gumbaro. He just say some prayers and asks some questions to the couple then you are married before the God. Imam can solemnize the marriage of any person from any nationality. Just you need to ask imam to do it.

[MicAtCyp]

Viewpoint,

The way you try to pass your positions is very irritating. For example you say

It only confirms that children from a mixed marriage do have to go through levels of being English or Cypriot as in your case

As if this can be attrributed to the interracial marriage itself and as being bad per se. Whereas Erol explained very clearly that it is mainly due to the place he resides/or resided.

Then you say
now divorced due to clash of cultures and traditions
as if those people told you thatwas the reason they divorced. Instead the reasons most propably were the usual ones like adultery, violence in the family, drinking habits, gambling habits, etc.So how can you use your obviously wrong assumption to jump into conclussions? You could say that interacial marriages have higher chances to fail (and you might be right on that) but unless you show us some statistics your over-generalisation tells nothing to me.

Here you go again
they speak no Turkish, they hate our food and our customs, they reject anything to do with Cypriotism and want to forget that side of the family tree,
As if you atribute that to the interacial marriage itself, and not to other most propable factors related to the divorce itself. Perhaps their father was so brutal in beating their mother that they behave like that out of reaction.

Why for example don't you describe us what happens to a successful interacial family?
I bet they cook both Turkish and English food, they spend their holidays in Cyprus, and the kids speak both languages.Isn’t this the usual case rather than the exception?

You do have valid points, but the way you try to draw absolute conclusions is irritating in my opinion and thats why I personally attacked you many times.

Anyway may I remind everybody our point of discussion was marriages between GCs and TCs inside a re-united Cyprus.In my opinion children of such marriages would be on the advantagous side compared to other Cypriot children because they would speak 2 languages and understand 2 cultures.Relegion is out of question as both parents should basically be non-relegious to get married.

[MicAtCyp]

I just had a quick look to the replies of my TC friends regarding my questions. Thanks koumbaroi mou, looking forward to a better Cyprus for all of us in the future.

[erolz]

I have a very good example of this in my family, now divorced due to clash of cultures and traditions, their children are more English than Cypriot, they speak no Turkish, they hate our food and our customs, they reject anything to do with Cypriotism and want to forget that side of the family tree, their mother insisted on English names, she never attempted to learn Turkish and never wanted to learn how to cook Turkish food.

Well this is one example, my experience is another. I speak little Turkish but that is slowly changing, I like TC food and respect TC customs, I do not reject anything to do with Cypriotism nor do I wish to forget my Cypriot family - I have a TC name and I was laways greatful for any food cooked for me as I still am today. So where is the 'general trend'? All we have is two different examples as I see it.

Im giving you this example to bring home the degree to which children born to mixed marriages are exposed to an identity crisis, most living in the UK opt for the English identity.

Some feel that way others (like myself) do not.

Lets take this one step further, the child marries an English person what happens to Cypriotism then???? vanishes???

I have no need or desire to spread my genes into the future but if I did have children then they would be 1/2 NZ (mty patner is NZ) 1/4 English and 1/4 Cypriot. They would be free to take what they liked from any of these cultures and reject what they wanted. I would bring them up, as far as I would have any control, to beleive a persons worth, thiers and anyone elses, is based on what is in their hearts and how the behave and not what is in their genes

Thats why deep down our emotions long for our children to marry from their own people but off course love has no bounds and those that venture out do so at their own peril

You can oly really and sensibly talk for yourself in this reagrd in my opinion and not 'our'. What is deep down in my emotions is not necessarily the same as in yours.