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[turkcyp]

Turcyp, as I wrote in another thread the answer is simple: End the occupation. You can't expect to control both the 36% of Cyprus just by yourselves and then share the rest of Cyprus with us, right?

OR alternatively, join us and declare clearly that you are under occupation, that you want to return to RoC and that you don't recognize "TRNC". If you do this, then again you should have your rights even if our country is under occupation by a foreign power.

But you can not on one hand support the illegal "TRNC" and the occupation, and demand your share in RoC at the same time, right?

If I support something illegal, then I will be put behind bars and I will have no rights at all. Thats how it works. Full rights are for those that respect the laws.

Hey you know very well that I am not going to deny TRNC and ask Turkish army to leave without %100 guarantees that TCs will participate in RoC as 1960 constitution asks for.

It is RoC initiative to make us believe that and to gain our trust again. And I know that you do not want to do that because of your concerns. So RoC can show as a roadmap of doing these things at the same time, MAY BE.

I can suggest a way if you want, of doing at the same time.

[insan]

Turcyp, as I wrote in another thread the answer is simple: End the occupation. You can't expect to control both the 36% of Cyprus just by yourselves and then share the rest of Cyprus with us, right?

OR alternatively, join us and declare clearly that you are under occupation, that you want to return to RoC and that you don't recognize "TRNC". If you do this, then again you should have your rights even if our country is under occupation by a foreign power.

But you can not on one hand support the illegal "TRNC" and the occupation, and demand your share in RoC at the same time, right?

If I support something illegal, then I will be put behind bars and I will have no rights at all. Thats how it works. Full rights are for those that respect the laws.

Hey you know very well that I am not going to deny TRNC and ask Turkish army to leave without %100 guarantees that TCs will participate in RoC as 1960 constitution asks for.

It is RoC initiative to make us believe that and to gain our trust again. And I know that you do not want to do that because of your concerns. So RoC can show as a roadmap of doing these things at the same time, MAY BE.

There is more than one thousand TCs have been living in RoC for a while. They are denying TRNC. They are against Turkish occupation. Why the so-called RoC doesn't give their rights back to run for vp and TC communal chamber?

[Piratis]

Let me ask you something:
Do you think a RoC MP can support in any way the continuation of the occupation of RoC?

So RoC can show as a roadmap of doing these things at the same time, MAY BE.

Yes, maybe. But I insist that those TCs that will participate should be ones that truly believe in RoC, and not those that support "TRNC" as well.

Imagine an MP of any country supporting the occupation of his own country by a foreign power!!!

[turkcyp]

..... TC communal chamber?

And it is not only TCs but GCs also. Why don't GCs have their communal chamber back, and keep on using central goverment for chamber related decisions, like education, taxes, courts , etc. etc.

Also why do not RoC have its Supreme Court back as well. Why is GC running the RoC without a Supreme court for more than 40 years now.

[Piratis]

There is more than one thousand TCs have been living in RoC for a while.

So let me ask you something: you suggest to give to a thousand people the kind of power and privileges that was indented for the whole TC community. Those privileges and powers were already unfairly too much for the 18% (e.g. 30% of government positions). I hope you can see how crazy it is to give such kind of privileges to just 1000 people!

If we had a large part of the TC population that wanted to try to integrate back to RoC again, then we could talk. But not when we are talking about a couple of thousands only.

[turkcyp]

Yes, maybe. But I insist that those TCs that will participate should be ones that truly believe in RoC, and not those that support "TRNC" as well.

Imagine an MP of any country supporting the occupation of his own country by a foreign power!!!

How are you going to measure what goes in somebody's mind Piratis. If somebody is living in RoC, paying taxes to RoC, what else do you want them to do.

Get a gun in their hands and go and shoot at Turkish Army. LOL.

As I have said it is ROC obligation to make us believe in it RoC again.

As the movie said,
"is Rome worth one good man's life? we believed it once, make us believe it again"

[insan]

There is more than one thousand TCs have been living in RoC for a while.

So let me ask you something: you suggest to give to a thousand people the kind of power and privileges that was indented for the whole TC community. Those privileges and powers were already unfairly too much for the 18% (e.g. 30% of government positions). I hope you can see how crazy it is to give such kind of privileges to just 1000 people!

If we had a large part of the TC population that wanted to try to integrate back to RoC again, then we could talk. But not when we are talking about a couple of thousands only.

As I said neither being one thousand nor the ongoing occupation should be an excuse for GC leadership to deny the rights of the TCs who live in the so-called RoC. There's no such a provision in original RoC constitution which states "if a part of Cyprus is under occupation and TCs living in "goverment control areas" is less than x number; the constitutional rights of TCs are suspended."

So stop giving us excuses.

[Piratis]

As I said neither being one thousand nor the ongoing occupation should be an excuse for GC leadership to deny the rights of the TCs who live in the so-called RoC.

So you demand your rights from the so-called RoC
And at the same time you want to keep control of the 36% of Cyprus just for yourselves and you want to continue your support for the occupation and for the illegal "TRNC".

Ok..
Anything else that you want?

[insan]

Imagine an MP of any country supporting the occupation of his own country by a foreign power!!!

Perhaps he assumes the situation differently. Doesn't he have freedom of thought and freedom of speech? In my opinion there has been a defacto situation on both sides of the island and when a joint acceptable solution is found(if ever); the defacto situation on both sides of the island will come to an end.

Do I have the right to live in so-called free areas and defend my own opinions in boundaries of human rights, freedom of thought and freedom of speech? Apparently, if I lived in South and expressed my views freely; either I'd end up a grenade attack by chrissy augi or arrested by so-called GC police and tortured to death.

[insan]

As I said neither being one thousand nor the ongoing occupation should be an excuse for GC leadership to deny the rights of the TCs who live in the so-called RoC.

So you demand your rights from the so-called RoC
And at the same time you want to keep control of the 36% of Cyprus just for yourselves and you want to continue your support for the occupation and for the illegal "TRNC".

Ok..
Anything else that you want?

No I'm not demanding my rights. I speaking on behalf of TCs who already live in South and who are willing to return and get their rights back. For me both "RoC" and "TRNC" are so-called. It doesn't make me any difference for me. Both "RoC" and "TRNC" are defacto entities according to international tresties and agreements.