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[Eliko]

I always give praise where it's due Eliko and hope that I am mature and open minded enough to listen to opinions and even change mine where I am persuaded by a good logical argument. Not that it was needed in this case.
I used to be married to a Muslim man and while we are no longer together the reasons are nothing to do with his faith and his faith was never a problem between us (apart from when he was a bit testy during Ramadan).
Too often people react angrily through fear of the unknown or ignorance.

Feisty, Ramadan is but one of many impositions those of the faith endure, it is a credit to their fortitude and a testament to their sincerity that they bear such hardships without complaint.

Perhaps your husband was entitled to become a little 'Testy' when deprived of food and other niceties during the holy period, he can be admired and forgiven for such a small shortcoming.

There are millions of people starving in the world as we sit in the comfort of our homes, I have seen many die with a dignity that would shame us, solely due to the strength of the faith they have embraced.

May God Bless them ALL.

[Feisty]

oooooooo Eliko you made me go all goosey with that post.
Very moving.
I was being a little light hearted with the testy bit. It was usually at the very end of the fasting period, which to his credit he did admit was a whole lot easier to do in the Uk than in his home of Luxor in Egypt with it's temperatures. Then again in our home he was alone in his fasting which is to his credit. Much easier to do something with support around you.
I often wish I had such strong faith in something.

[Bill]

The girls manage Bill because more often than not they have numerous scams on the side and probably the latest bloke living with them who's doing work for cash in hand and also claiming benefits.

Whilst in the UK recently I watched a documentary about immigrant workers in the UK ~ it dealt mostly with polish workers working in agricultural work .

One fact came to light after interviewing people at the job centre was that none of those claiming benefits were interested in working in the jobs the polish were doing ~ the general opinion was they wouldn't get out of bed for that kind of money even though the polish workers seem happy with it.

A lot of those interviewed state they had no intention of working as it was a mugs game and they preferred hanging around with their mates playing the latest wii or play station games .

I've always had the opinion that those signing on should be available for work and if they refuse their benefits should stop .

Community work is ok if there is no work available ( doubtful ) and no attendance equals no benefits.

I've also advocated the short sharp shock of a boot camp set up for young offenders ~ there are so many redundant ex military camps around the UK it would be very easy and cheap to arrange as the emphasis would be on minimum facilities / comfort ~ it would be a place that they wouldn't want to return to .

There are plenty of ex military personnel ( lots actually now in the prison service ) who could be employed to run the camps .

Now whilst this is a wonderful idea and would actually work sadly it will never happen as the rights and comfort of the prisoner must be preserved at all costs and they must be given every comfort possible whilst "inside".

When you have a situation where prisoners have successfully sued the prison authorities because their regular supply of drugs has been stopped and received compensation for their hardship it really makes you wonder where we are actually going with the UK namby pamby policies and pc attitudes.

I still can't understand how someone who attacks a pensioner and takes her pension money is given a six month probation order but that same pensioner could be given 3 months inside for non payment of her council tax or tv licence

The situation in the UK stinks ~ which obviously is why so many are leaving

Bill

[purdey]

Spot on Bill. I would quiet happily give a year or so (free of charge) to see our young through a stint in boot camp.
As for benefits, there should be none FULL STOP for those who are fit to work.

[CBBB]

I also agree with tolerance to other peoples beliefs, but do have problems when immigrants into a country who avoid embracing the culture of their adopted homeland.

This goes for any nationality, colour or creed.

When referring to culture, I also include the language. I don't expect everyone to become fluent, but they can at least make the effort.

I am not sure that I agree with things such as the "Britishness Test" that the UK is going on about, as probably 60% of the natives would fail it!

I do disagree with local councils in the UK providing documentation in non-EU languages. Not that they provide anything in EU languages apart from English (sorry, forgot about Welsh).

[Eliko]

Oh right I'm with you now.
You're talking about people like the English who have been going to live in foreign countries for years, who integrate with local communities, learn the local language etc etc.
You sound a lot like the aboriginees, eskimos and red indians must have sounded before their cultures were decimated.

Feisty, I just LOVE this post (more so if it is the response to that which miltiades posted).

Excuse my language I beg you, BUT, it must be said that you delivered him a good kick in the bollocks with that one !.

[Feisty]

I agree to a large extent and would also say that it is impossible to live on JSA (Job Seekers Allowance) alone anyway so anyone on it must be milking the system somehow. I would however say that it is not necessarily the case that everyone on benefits is there through choice.
How you can give someone who lives alone the same amount (£60.50) to live on as someone living with parents staggers me. It is impossible to pay gas, electricity, water rates, buy food, tv licence, get to the job centre and look for a job on that amount of money.
Why isn't someone clever enough to devise a virtually fraud proof system?

[Feisty]

teeheehee

Oh right I'm with you now.
You're talking about people like the English who have been going to live in foreign countries for years, who integrate with local communities, learn the local language etc etc.
You sound a lot like the aboriginees, eskimos and red indians must have sounded before their cultures were decimated.

Feisty, I just LOVE this post (more so if it is the response to that which miltiades posted).

Excuse my language I beg you, BUT, it must be said that you delivered him a good kick in the bollocks with that one !.

[Bill]

I also agree with tolerance to other peoples beliefs, but do have problems when immigrants into a country who avoid embracing the culture of their adopted homeland.


When referring to culture, I also include the language. I don't expect everyone to become fluent, but they can at least make the effort.

I agree with you CBBB ~ the problem is that there are a section of immigrants who have no intention of integrating into the UK also there are a certain amount of them willing and ready to destroy it .

I must admit that it makes me smile when I read on various forums of intending immigrants to Cyprus stating that they are willing to integrate with the Cypriot community then buy a villa on a locked and gated complex full of Brits .

Clinging to your own kind is nothing new which ever country you are in and area's soon develop that are predominately from a certain country ~ can't say it's right but it seems the norm .

Bill

[Feisty]

Bill

I mostly agree with what you say but having had an immigrant husband I know just how hard it is to integrate.
UK (and probably many other countries) people don't want immigrants to even try to integrate. They don't want to accept them into their social circles, they don't want them living in their neighbourhoods and they don't want them competing for similar jobs.