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Postby purdey » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:00 pm

I am sorry Deniz, but I for once do not agree with you. The hatred of Zionism and of Israel, is born out of a hatred for Jews. Zionism was not widely accepted as a movement until after WW2, and then it took time for people to accept it.
I have also never understood the tag of Jews are different from us ? why is that is it a religious thing, or maybe Jews feel somewhat isolated and feel the need to stick together.
Speaking as a Jew I rarely feel welcome of advertising the fact when outside of family, forum is a relatively safe place for me as most people are well out of arms reach. I wear a small Star Of David around my neck in the confines of my safe surroundings, however when travalling it is the first thing I always leave at home.

As for the USA GG, I am an avid supporter of your freedom of speech and right to bear arms, I find the people of your great country welcoming and polite.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:14 pm

purdey wrote:I am sorry Deniz, but I for once do not agree with you. The hatred of Zionism and of Israel, is born out of a hatred for Jews. It is still apparent nowadays in England as well as other parts of the world.
Speaking as a Jew I rarely feel welcome of advertising the fact when outside of family, forum is a relatively safe place for me as most people are well out of arms reach. I wear a small Star Of David around my neck in the confines of my safe surroundings, however when travalling it is the first thing I always leave at home.
As for the USA GG, I am an avid supporter of your freedom of speech and right to bear arms, I find the people of your great country welcoming and polite.



Purdey, nowhere Have I stated that I hate either. One of the things that I notice is that many people separate them and that is what I point out. I realise Zionism does get support from Jews at large, but I also know Jews who are anti-Zionist.

One has to be careful when making encompassing statements. No offence intended. As I said I was brought up to respect Jews for their business acumen, their close family ties and their withholding of their traditions etc. I was often called a Yahudi, when my elders deemed I was too clever.

Please do not read anything in my lines which are not there. My father in law is Jewish by birth too.

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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:16 pm

miltiades wrote:I still do not think that Obama will win.


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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:19 pm

purdey wrote:I am sorry Deniz, but I for once do not agree with you. The hatred of Zionism and of Israel, is born out of a hatred for Jews.

I doubt you know the difference between Judaism and Zionism Purdey... :?
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Postby purdey » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:23 pm

Deniz, you are reading too much into my post. I merely tried to state the hatred of Jews and Zionism is no different. Before the Zionism movement took hold, Jews were still deemed as sub human, dirty, greedy people. Zionism just helped fuel the fire for the more radical out there to join in the kicking competition.
I in no way suggested in my post you had any hatred for the Jew.
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Postby purdey » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:24 pm

I am no scholar GR and no real supporter of Zionism, however I am a Jew, wether you like it or not.
Would you prefer all Jews to be Zionists ? it would solve many a problem for those out there who still believe we are spread to far.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:34 pm

purdey wrote:I am no scholar GR and no real supporter of Zionism, however I am a Jew, wether you like it or not.

I don't have a problem with anyone being a Jew.

Zionism...

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/whatis.cfm

Haaretz (our land), is probably the most neutral Israeli newspaper with good talkbacks after every article, check it out…

http://www.haaretz.com/

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Postby purdey » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:39 pm

And, I am well aware of Zionism. Maybe you are not aware that all Jews are not Zionists.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:55 pm

purdey wrote:And, I am well aware of Zionism. Maybe you are not aware that all Jews are not Zionists.

Don't push it Purdey... :lol:
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Postby purdey » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:58 pm

Have you got the wind up GR. I see you are dishing it out elsewear. Thankyou for the links to the Israeli press.
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