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[Oracle]

Obama's first real test is whether he is man enough to accept help from a woman ....

"Culturally it must be harder for him being black!"

[karma]

Obama's first real test is whether he is man enough to accept help from a woman ....

"Culturally it must be harder for him being black!"

Not , if the help is needed in the oval office

[denizaksulu]

Obama's first real test is whether he is man enough to accept help from a woman ....

"Culturally it must be harder for him being black!"

If that means YOU emigrating to the USA, GOOD BYE. He will indeed keep YOU busy.

[Oracle]

Obama's first real test is whether he is man enough to accept help from a woman ....

"Culturally it must be harder for him being black!"

Not , if the help is needed in the oval office

Would this be Hillary's trump card for Bill's indiscretions?

A woman scorned ....

[Eliko]

miltiades, thank you for your dismissal of my well researched views, I take it that you have studied the exact content of President Ahmadinejad's speech (available world-wide) and concluded that it must have been 'Dubbed' to suit the Iranian propaganda machine ?, quite laughable miltiades, myopia in it's severest form.

As to Iran helping it's neighbour, do you imply that the nation should stand by and watch mass slaughter taking place on it's own doorstep (a slaughter of innocents based on the lies of cowardly aggressors) and do NOTHING !.

Iran's imagined threat to the Western world, is a complete nonsense, the only threat Iran poses in the Middle East lies in the fact that it may not be prepared to accept much more of the murderous activities of Israel, it must be very difficult to observe the mass slaughter of one's neighbours and the persecution of innocent civilians, I personally think they should be commended for their patience.

DO consider the fact that Israel exists on the stolen lands of those it chose to antagonize in order to secure a footing there.

You make a rather interesting comment in conclusion of your dismissive post:-

"They are dangerous and can never be allowed to hold the Western world to ransom, as per Messrs Obama and McCain"

Precisely miltiades, I am sure you have quite inadvertently hit the nail right on the head, America IS holding the world to ransom, most people can see it, YOU cannot.

[purdey]

Let's be honest, both countries elected leaders hate one another. For whatever reason a solution to the hatred will never be found. However outside of government offices the flavour is different, the vast majority want to live in peace and not in fear.
I travel to Israel on a regular basis, I see normal people working, enjoying family life, politics are not considered polite conversation with guests in most households.
As far as Obama is concerned, well double standards are already on the agenda. Very little mention of Israel in the run with Clinton, maybe because Clinton had the support of the movers and shakers in the Jewish commuity. Now Israel is up there, with minimum wage, oil prices and unemployment, I wonder why ?

[GorillaGal]

miltiades, my educational qualifications have suffered enough of your pummelling ( metaphorically speaking) over the past year or so and I do wish you would desist.

By stating that Obama agrees wih YOUR views, one naturally assumes that you have influenced HIM, forgive me if I misconstrued, such a statement as you made was a legitimate target for some degree of (jovial) sarcasm.

As to Israel, my opinions are quite clear, I have been there and witnessed the death and destruction perpetrated by the aggressive forces of the Israeli's, the fact that they have such strong support from the USA and the UK is a proof positive that the Foreign Policies of both those nations are controlled by those with vested interests, neither nation has the slightest compassion for the rightful inhabitants of the lands stolen by Israel, that fact was also proven when neither would intervene when a ceasefire was begged for on behalf of those who were being slaughtered by the Israeli's.

As to Iran, my position is quite clear, if Israel is allowed to possess enough nuclear weapons to target the entire Middle East, why is Iran forbidden to develop nuclear power (for domestic purposes) by the very powers that are already slaughtering thousands of innocent people in the Middle East region.

The argument that Iran MAY use the technology to develop nuclear weapons, is rather weak in the face of what has transpired in Iraq.

In any case, why should they NOT have such weapons, Israel has an unlimited supply of them.

miltiades, we will never agree on the Foreign Policies of the (USA<(Israel)>UK) the united destroyers of any that oppose their will, I must content myself with knowing that I can see what is taking place whereas you cannot.

In my humble opinion .

I'm afraid there is very little than anyone can do for you Eliko ! Your clouded perception of the West created by your blind hatred of anything bearing the trade mark of the USA restricts your ability to view events objectively. You do not see that the only obstacle to peace in the M.East are the extremists whose agenda is the annihilation of Israel. Many peace plans have come and gone , all discarded by the fanatics who want nothing less than the destruction of Israel , just as you do .
You fail to see that amongst the Palestinians there is discord and strife that will NEVER subside but will intensify fanned by the likes of you who offer unequivocal moral support .
As for your comments supporting Iran's right to produce nuclear weapons since Israel has them , let me remind you that no nation on earth considers Israel as a potential user of nuclear weapons , apart that is from those that have publicly stated that their mission is to wipe Israel of the face of the earth . Your presuming erroneously and naively that Iran presents no threat to any nation by possessing nuclear weapons , a nation that is governed by theocrats who respect death more than life , who stone people to death , who murder a rape victim instead of tenderly comforting , who are responsible for the instability in Lebanon and Palestine.
Yes I'm happy that Obama has clearly stated that he will never allow Iran to produce nuclear weapons and I'm happy that John McCain who I think will be the next president , not wish but think , also shares his view .
Obama is a highly skilled politician with an extraordinary ability to rise to the occasion as he has done against some one as formidable as Hilary ,
its a shame you do not support his views on Iran , under stable of course taking into account your blind hatred of the USA.

Good Morning miltiades and may I say how pleased I am to note that you seem to be in fine form, once again ?.

I would like to discuss the point you make regarding the intention of Iran 'To wipe Israel off the face of the map'.

I would have thought that a man with your degree of interest in world affairs would have known that such a threat is FALSE propaganda (probably circulated by Israel) in order to curry favour in the event of the West making an attack on yet another innocent nation.

The FACTS are that President Ahmadinejad (or 'ajab an alternative spelling) made reference to a speech by the Ayatollah Khomeini in which the Ayatollah indicated that, "Like Communism and Fasciism, Zionism as an ideology would disappear from the pages of history".

SO, they were NOT the words of President Ahmadinejad, neither were they a threat to Israel BUT, in their distorted and misquoted form, they serve very nicely as a convincing reason to commence aggression against another innocent nation, quite cunning wouldn't you agree ?.

In order to bolster the excuses required for an act of aggression against Iran, the question of 'Nuclear Development' fits the bill admirably, with these two issues under scrutiny, the West (and Israel) are able to conjure up many reasons for further slaughter in the Middle East.

By accusing Iran of helping Iraq in that they supply weapons to (terrorist organizations) they can add weight to their propaganda campaign which seems to be having the desired effect since there are many prepared to accept ALL the above suppositions, yet are unable to determine the reasons behind them.

If Iran is helping Iraq in it's struggle against the aggression of the West, 'Good Luck' to them, they are helping their neighbours.

If Iran is attempting to develop nuclear power (for domestic reasons) why should they not be allowed to do so.

If the intention of Iran is to develop nuclear weapons, why should they not, Israel has hundreds of them.

Why is Israel ever in fear of attack ?, if they are such a nice and friendly nation (as they would wish us to believe) they would have no reason to fear such events.

The truth is miltiades, WE will never know the truth, it does not mean that we are obliged to accept LIES, remember WMD ? or have you forgotten already.

eliko, i have never understood the rest of the world's hatred of the jews. i have knowns many jews in my life, and they are wonderful people.
why would isreal be afraid of attack? perhaps because of thier history. their nation has been taken away from them, and they have been a people scattered all over the world, a people without a nation. it wasn't until after WW2 that they were given back a piece of land they could call thier own. why would isreal ever fear an attack? have you not heard of the holocost?
i think it's nice and all that iran wants to help thier neighbor, iraq, but is not isreal a neighbor as well? does isreal not have a right to have a piece of land they can call home? and nuclear weapons?!!! NO ONE should have nuclear weapons. but the point is that that there are nuclear weapons, the knowledge is there, and we can't turn that back now. it is best if no ohter countries develop nuclear powers.
yeah, now i expect a torrent of anti-american posts as i am american, and we have that power. but we are also a land of many diverse cultures, a free land, unlike iran or iraq. we have freedom of religions and freedom of speech. you may be nervous as we are a super power, but we are not so readily going to take over the rest of the world.
i don't pretend to understand any of the politics surrounding the rest of the worlds hatred of isreal and it's people, but they have a right to thier land, and for a peaceful exsistnace. in the end, isn't that what we all want?

[denizaksulu]

miltiades, my educational qualifications have suffered enough of your pummelling ( metaphorically speaking) over the past year or so and I do wish you would desist.

By stating that Obama agrees wih YOUR views, one naturally assumes that you have influenced HIM, forgive me if I misconstrued, such a statement as you made was a legitimate target for some degree of (jovial) sarcasm.

As to Israel, my opinions are quite clear, I have been there and witnessed the death and destruction perpetrated by the aggressive forces of the Israeli's, the fact that they have such strong support from the USA and the UK is a proof positive that the Foreign Policies of both those nations are controlled by those with vested interests, neither nation has the slightest compassion for the rightful inhabitants of the lands stolen by Israel, that fact was also proven when neither would intervene when a ceasefire was begged for on behalf of those who were being slaughtered by the Israeli's.

As to Iran, my position is quite clear, if Israel is allowed to possess enough nuclear weapons to target the entire Middle East, why is Iran forbidden to develop nuclear power (for domestic purposes) by the very powers that are already slaughtering thousands of innocent people in the Middle East region.

The argument that Iran MAY use the technology to develop nuclear weapons, is rather weak in the face of what has transpired in Iraq.

In any case, why should they NOT have such weapons, Israel has an unlimited supply of them.

miltiades, we will never agree on the Foreign Policies of the (USA<(Israel)>UK) the united destroyers of any that oppose their will, I must content myself with knowing that I can see what is taking place whereas you cannot.

In my humble opinion .

I'm afraid there is very little than anyone can do for you Eliko ! Your clouded perception of the West created by your blind hatred of anything bearing the trade mark of the USA restricts your ability to view events objectively. You do not see that the only obstacle to peace in the M.East are the extremists whose agenda is the annihilation of Israel. Many peace plans have come and gone , all discarded by the fanatics who want nothing less than the destruction of Israel , just as you do .
You fail to see that amongst the Palestinians there is discord and strife that will NEVER subside but will intensify fanned by the likes of you who offer unequivocal moral support .
As for your comments supporting Iran's right to produce nuclear weapons since Israel has them , let me remind you that no nation on earth considers Israel as a potential user of nuclear weapons , apart that is from those that have publicly stated that their mission is to wipe Israel of the face of the earth . Your presuming erroneously and naively that Iran presents no threat to any nation by possessing nuclear weapons , a nation that is governed by theocrats who respect death more than life , who stone people to death , who murder a rape victim instead of tenderly comforting , who are responsible for the instability in Lebanon and Palestine.
Yes I'm happy that Obama has clearly stated that he will never allow Iran to produce nuclear weapons and I'm happy that John McCain who I think will be the next president , not wish but think , also shares his view .
Obama is a highly skilled politician with an extraordinary ability to rise to the occasion as he has done against some one as formidable as Hilary ,
its a shame you do not support his views on Iran , under stable of course taking into account your blind hatred of the USA.

Good Morning miltiades and may I say how pleased I am to note that you seem to be in fine form, once again ?.

I would like to discuss the point you make regarding the intention of Iran 'To wipe Israel off the face of the map'.

I would have thought that a man with your degree of interest in world affairs would have known that such a threat is FALSE propaganda (probably circulated by Israel) in order to curry favour in the event of the West making an attack on yet another innocent nation.

The FACTS are that President Ahmadinejad (or 'ajab an alternative spelling) made reference to a speech by the Ayatollah Khomeini in which the Ayatollah indicated that, "Like Communism and Fasciism, Zionism as an ideology would disappear from the pages of history".

SO, they were NOT the words of President Ahmadinejad, neither were they a threat to Israel BUT, in their distorted and misquoted form, they serve very nicely as a convincing reason to commence aggression against another innocent nation, quite cunning wouldn't you agree ?.

In order to bolster the excuses required for an act of aggression against Iran, the question of 'Nuclear Development' fits the bill admirably, with these two issues under scrutiny, the West (and Israel) are able to conjure up many reasons for further slaughter in the Middle East.

By accusing Iran of helping Iraq in that they supply weapons to (terrorist organizations) they can add weight to their propaganda campaign which seems to be having the desired effect since there are many prepared to accept ALL the above suppositions, yet are unable to determine the reasons behind them.

If Iran is helping Iraq in it's struggle against the aggression of the West, 'Good Luck' to them, they are helping their neighbours.

If Iran is attempting to develop nuclear power (for domestic reasons) why should they not be allowed to do so.

If the intention of Iran is to develop nuclear weapons, why should they not, Israel has hundreds of them.

Why is Israel ever in fear of attack ?, if they are such a nice and friendly nation (as they would wish us to believe) they would have no reason to fear such events.

The truth is miltiades, WE will never know the truth, it does not mean that we are obliged to accept LIES, remember WMD ? or have you forgotten already.

eliko, i have never understood the rest of the world's hatred of the jews. i have knowns many jews in my life, and they are wonderful people.
why would isreal be afraid of attack? perhaps because of thier history. their nation has been taken away from them, and they have been a people scattered all over the world, a people without a nation. it wasn't until after WW2 that they were given back a piece of land they could call thier own. why would isreal ever fear an attack? have you not heard of the holocost?
i think it's nice and all that iran wants to help thier neighbor, iraq, but is not isreal a neighbor as well? does isreal not have a right to have a piece of land they can call home? and nuclear weapons?!!! NO ONE should have nuclear weapons. but the point is that that there are nuclear weapons, the knowledge is there, and we can't turn that back now. it is best if no ohter countries develop nuclear powers.
yeah, now i expect a torrent of anti-american posts as i am american, and we have that power. but we are also a land of many diverse cultures, a free land, unlike iran or iraq. we have freedom of religions and freedom of speech. you may be nervous as we are a super power, but we are not so readily going to take over the rest of the world.
i don't pretend to understand any of the politics surrounding the rest of the worlds hatred of isreal and it's people, but they have a right to thier land, and for a peaceful exsistnace. in the end, isn't that what we all want?

One must not confuse the hatred of Jews and the hatred of Zionism. They need to be discussed as separate issues. In my younger days we were taught to respect the Jews but the potics of Zionism was a different thing altogether.

[GorillaGal]

Deniz--
i am not sure what exactly zionism is, other than a movement for them to get thier land back, the land called isreal.
based on that assuption, how different is that from the CYprob?

[denizaksulu]

Deniz--
i am not sure what exactly zionism is, other than a movement for them to get thier land back, the land called isreal.
based on that assuption, how different is that from the CYprob?

Their land because "This land is mine, god gave this land to me?" to the exclusion of Arabs who have lived there since before Islamic times.?

To an American, it may look the same. You have been reading the posts on the forum long enough and you make such a statement. You opportunity to read up about Zionism in NY. Have a read then we can talk.