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[Piratis]

Why do so many people fail to see the realities of the situation!

In an ideal world, human rights would reign supreme, but we don't live in one of those. We have to make the best of what is availabe.

We can all go to our graves (metaphorically, as I intend to be cremated) dreaming of the perfect solution to the Cyprus Problem, but people have to see that ain't gonna happen. OK, we can be martyrs and resist any solution that doesn't give us everything that is fair and just, but what's the point?

Just for the sake of it?

CBBB, what I am talking about is not the "ideal", it is the "standard" of what exists in all other modern democratic countries.

If human rights and democracy is somehting unachievable for Cyprus, then we have to accept that peace is unachievable as well because the two things go together.

All I am saying is that you can not have peace without accepting democracy and human rights. Maybe this can be achieved in some parts of the 3rd world, but Cypriots are a European people and they want their democracy and their human rights and they are not going to just give them up so Turkey can have its way.

[Bananiot]

I wish people would read the obituary and just contemplate, without uttering one single word.

[tessintrnc]

May he finally rest in peace.

[Viewpoint]

The "rules" for peace are the same everywhere. They are the universal principles such as human rights, democracy, minority rights, freedom of speech etc.

Imposing anything other than the above, so that small group of people and some foreigners can have gains on the expense of the rest of the population can only bring more conflicts. This is what the history not only of Cyprus, but of the whole world teaches us.

You can't reject human rights and democracy, and instead support ehtnic cleansing, racist discrimination, segregation and human rights violations, and then claim that you want peace.

Would that be just like in 1963??

I hope that this time we will be allowed to have democracy, no racist discrimination and no segregation, so we can finally have a permanent solution and peace.

If you again stop Cyprus from having the above universally accepted principles that bring peace, then peace will not come.

Piratis you have to accept the facts that while you had the opportunity to apply all the things you demand today back then we may have been one united country today, this total denial that you had anything to do with the division of today is a farce we all know full well who had the upper hand back then, we were the underdogs who had to fight for survival and that we did to your determent. What you say or do today does not make us believe you have changed one iota and the democracy and human rights chants you put today are neither convincing or contributing towards building trust or cooperation.

[halil]

I wish people would read the obituary and just contemplate, without uttering one single word.

you are right Bananiot . Some of them can not understand .

Kutlay Erk has done nice speech .he didn't give any chance to nationalists . keep our fingers crossed that they can understand .
we can do our arguements at other topics . if i made any mistake here i am sorry .

[denizaksulu]

Allah Rahmet eylesin.

We should all bear a thought for all those innocents who perished in Cyprus. Lets say NO MORE bellicosity.

[CBBB]

Here, here, denizaksulu.

I would also like Piratis to tell me what is the "standard" of what exists in all other modern democratic countries.

Give me one that doesn't violate what someone else thinks is a human right.

[Viewpoint]

Here, here, denizaksulu.

I would also like Piratis to tell me what is the "standard" of what exists in all other modern democratic countries.

Give me one that doesn't violate what someone else thinks is a human right.

His standard is the trap after which he will violate our rights like in th 1960s and then claim well it happens all over the world thats why it happens to you, so that we can rot in the corridors of the ECHR trying to get the basic rights of GCs.

[DT.]

Here, here, denizaksulu.

I would also like Piratis to tell me what is the "standard" of what exists in all other modern democratic countries.

Give me one that doesn't violate what someone else thinks is a human right.

LEts see now.

!) Everyone has a right to his home.
2) Everyone has one equal vote
3) Everyone as a right to settle wherever they like in their own country.

[iceman]

I wish people would read the obituary and just contemplate, without uttering one single word.

Totally agree with you bananiot....
As Mr Erk pointed out in his speech.."It has to be remembered that finding and returning all the missing Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots to their families is a very important right that should never be politicised"
This is one thread that should be treated with respect for the deceased and not used for accusations/arguments.