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[paaul12]

Pythona wrote:

After the Turkish invasion, abandoned Turkish Cypriot properties were taken over by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties, which will return them upon a solution of the political problem.

That’s not quite correct they will be returned when the ECHR tells them to, for example:

WE SEEM to have been led to yet another dead-end by our illustrious leaders. Just after the referendum, they were urging Greek Cypriot refugees in their hundreds to file recourses against Turkey at the European Court of Human Rights. To say the initiative boomeranged would be a gross understatement, because the boomerang we launched is coming back at us in the form of an S300 missile.

The devastation could be caused by a Greek Cypriot who has decided to withdraw his recourse from the ECHR after reaching a friendly settlement with the Turkish Cypriot compensation committee. In exchange for his property in the occupied north, he would be given land owned by a Turkish Cypriot in Larnaca.

The problem is that all Turkish Cypriot properties in the Republic are under the guardianship of the government, which could refuse to hand over the Larnaca property to the man.

If this happened, he could then take the government to court, challenging the law by which the government has taken control of all TC real estate. Whatever the court decided would be problematic. If it ruled that the guardianship law was unconstitutional all the TCs would flock south demanding the return of their properties.

If the ECHR upheld the law, then the aforementioned GC would go to the ECHR claiming his property rights were violated by the Cyprus government.

I mention all these boring details as background to the latest twist of the Cyprob property saga which has caused a new bout of political breast-beating and the launch of a search-party looking for credible scapegoats.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

The second concern relates to the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot Properties, which is part of the Cyprus government, and is the only recognised authority endowed with the power to return land to Turkish Cypriots. This can only take place if the applicant has been residing in the Republic for six months or more.

Assuming the ECHR gave the nod to the land swap, not only would that legitimise the property commission, it would also put the Guardianship on the spot because the Greek Cypriot refugee would be claiming Turkish Cypriot land not legally returned by the Guardian.

In a further negative development for the government, two Turkish Cypriots were recently appointed as judges to the European court.

Kasoulides said yesterday that this train of events was inextricably linked to the government’s poor diplomatic record.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

[CanDiaz]

What's a "donum"?

Hello CanDiaz. Would you answer please, my question to you about the illegalities you mentioned. It is at the bottom of page 3 and thank you

Can you be more specific please? The only "illegalities" I mentioned were in regards to not being recognised, hence not recognising.(if that makes sense to you) To be honnest i thought you were being sarcastic & sarcasm being what it is, i ignored it.

The question could not be simpler but because you continue using quotation marks around illegalities you may not wish to be honest and "confusion" might be more "polite".

What possible reason could i have to be dishonest? I dont know enough about the subject to take a side or have a valid opinion, thats why im asking questions!
You say the question is simple, but how can it be when you only blame the "invasion" on Turk's? Was there not a Coup de'tat on Cyprus? Did this not bring violence to the Island, where Cypriots were killing their neighbours over political beliefs?Or do you conveniently forget that? Is this why "the History is too big" ? Was there not a treaty in place guaranteeing each sides rights, by Greece Turkey & the UK?Or are you seriously suggesting that even though outnumbered 5 to 1 the TC's still went ahead & caused all these troubles & the Coup was just an irrelevant side show to that "uprising"?
Yeah right!
Looks like i was right, you were being sarcastic.Well Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, my friend.

[Get Real!]

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

This author sure lives up to his surname...

[Get Real!]

What's a "donum"?

Hello CanDiaz. Would you answer please, my question to you about the illegalities you mentioned. It is at the bottom of page 3 and thank you

Can you be more specific please? The only "illegalities" I mentioned were in regards to not being recognised, hence not recognising.(if that makes sense to you) To be honnest i thought you were being sarcastic & sarcasm being what it is, i ignored it.

The question could not be simpler but because you continue using quotation marks around illegalities you may not wish to be honest and "confusion" might be more "polite".

What possible reason could i have to be dishonest? I dont know enough about the subject to take a side or have a valid opinion, thats why im asking questions!
You say the question is simple, but how can it be when you only blame the "invasion" on Turk's? Was there not a Coup de'tat on Cyprus? Did this not bring violence to the Island, where Cypriots were killing their neighbours over political beliefs?Or do you conveniently forget that? Is this why "the History is too big" ? Was there not a treaty in place guaranteeing each sides rights, by Greece Turkey & the UK?Or are you seriously suggesting that even though outnumbered 5 to 1 the TC's still went ahead & caused all these troubles & the Coup was just an irrelevant side show to that "uprising"?
Yeah right!
Looks like i was right, you were being sarcastic.Well Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, my friend.

Maybe you're jumping way ahead of yourself and in your haste to look smart you're about to land in a pot hole Turkish boy...

[pythona]

What's a "donum"?

Hello CanDiaz. Would you answer please, my question to you about the illegalities you mentioned. It is at the bottom of page 3 and thank you

Can you be more specific please? The only "illegalities" I mentioned were in regards to not being recognised, hence not recognising.(if that makes sense to you) To be honnest i thought you were being sarcastic & sarcasm being what it is, i ignored it.

The question could not be simpler but because you continue using quotation marks around illegalities you may not wish to be honest and "confusion" might be more "polite".

What possible reason could i have to be dishonest? I dont know enough about the subject to take a side or have a valid opinion, thats why im asking questions!
You say the question is simple, but how can it be when you only blame the "invasion" on Turk's? Was there not a Coup de'tat on Cyprus? Did this not bring violence to the Island, where Cypriots were killing their neighbours over political beliefs?Or do you conveniently forget that? Is this why "the History is too big" ? Was there not a treaty in place guaranteeing each sides rights, by Greece Turkey & the UK?Or are you seriously suggesting that even though outnumbered 5 to 1 the TC's still went ahead & caused all these troubles & the Coup was just an irrelevant side show to that "uprising"?
Yeah right!
Looks like i was right, you were being sarcastic.Well Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, my friend.

This was my post I wanted your answer towards ~

Thank you CanDiaz for taking interest in the illegalities. But we did not make the "country" illegal. It was right away illegal by international law as an occupied territory. Sorry we did not make the laws. It is too big a history lesson to see where it went wrong. But today we have an illegality with the occupation which is our concern to solve.

To give the properties to TCs as you suggest has happened but there were many more GC properties in the north, too many to fill with the fewer TCs and that is where they have profited so much by having many more houses than TCs can fill. So they sold them or filled with settlers. That is a further illegality by international law.Do you agree?


The question was "Do you agree?" You only had to say yes or no.

Where do I make blames for Turkish invasion and all other confusions you offer? You have tangled the webs my friend. Thank you I will leave you to untangle.

[denizaksulu]

What's a "donum"?

Hello CanDiaz. Would you answer please, my question to you about the illegalities you mentioned. It is at the bottom of page 3 and thank you

Can you be more specific please? The only "illegalities" I mentioned were in regards to not being recognised, hence not recognising.(if that makes sense to you) To be honnest i thought you were being sarcastic & sarcasm being what it is, i ignored it.

The question could not be simpler but because you continue using quotation marks around illegalities you may not wish to be honest and "confusion" might be more "polite".

What possible reason could i have to be dishonest? I dont know enough about the subject to take a side or have a valid opinion, thats why im asking questions!
You say the question is simple, but how can it be when you only blame the "invasion" on Turk's? Was there not a Coup de'tat on Cyprus? Did this not bring violence to the Island, where Cypriots were killing their neighbours over political beliefs?Or do you conveniently forget that? Is this why "the History is too big" ? Was there not a treaty in place guaranteeing each sides rights, by Greece Turkey & the UK?Or are you seriously suggesting that even though outnumbered 5 to 1 the TC's still went ahead & caused all these troubles & the Coup was just an irrelevant side show to that "uprising"?
Yeah right!
Looks like i was right, you were being sarcastic.Well Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, my friend.

Hallo CanDiaz, are you sure you dont know much of the Cyprus problem.? What little you know is quite impressive. A belated welcome.

Regards

Deniz

[CanDiaz]

What's a "donum"?

Hello CanDiaz. Would you answer please, my question to you about the illegalities you mentioned. It is at the bottom of page 3 and thank you

Can you be more specific please? The only "illegalities" I mentioned were in regards to not being recognised, hence not recognising.(if that makes sense to you) To be honnest i thought you were being sarcastic & sarcasm being what it is, i ignored it.

The question could not be simpler but because you continue using quotation marks around illegalities you may not wish to be honest and "confusion" might be more "polite".

What possible reason could i have to be dishonest? I dont know enough about the subject to take a side or have a valid opinion, thats why im asking questions!
You say the question is simple, but how can it be when you only blame the "invasion" on Turk's? Was there not a Coup de'tat on Cyprus? Did this not bring violence to the Island, where Cypriots were killing their neighbours over political beliefs?Or do you conveniently forget that? Is this why "the History is too big" ? Was there not a treaty in place guaranteeing each sides rights, by Greece Turkey & the UK?Or are you seriously suggesting that even though outnumbered 5 to 1 the TC's still went ahead & caused all these troubles & the Coup was just an irrelevant side show to that "uprising"?
Yeah right!
Looks like i was right, you were being sarcastic.Well Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, my friend.

This was my post I wanted your answer towards ~

Thank you CanDiaz for taking interest in the illegalities. But we did not make the "country" illegal. It was right away illegal by international law as an occupied territory. Sorry we did not make the laws. It is too big a history lesson to see where it went wrong. But today we have an illegality with the occupation which is our concern to solve.

To give the properties to TCs as you suggest has happened but there were many more GC properties in the north, too many to fill with the fewer TCs and that is where they have profited so much by having many more houses than TCs can fill. So they sold them or filled with settlers. That is a further illegality by international law.Do you agree?


The question was "Do you agree?" You only had to say yes or no.

Where do I make blames for Turkish invasion and all other confusions you offer? You have tangled the webs my friend. Thank you I will leave you to untangle.

You "make blames" when you said "WE" didnt make our country illegal.(Read what you wrote!!!!)When infact you probably had a big hand in making the Northern 3rd "illegal" when you had your little coup.Thats not confusion, that's historical fact. Like i said above, im a novice to this issue, so of course its not a simple yes or no answer for me. My answer is for me to give & not for you to decide on how its delivered.If you read what i wrote in the 1st place you wouldnt need an answer.

[CanDiaz]

What's a "donum"?

Hello CanDiaz. Would you answer please, my question to you about the illegalities you mentioned. It is at the bottom of page 3 and thank you

Can you be more specific please? The only "illegalities" I mentioned were in regards to not being recognised, hence not recognising.(if that makes sense to you) To be honnest i thought you were being sarcastic & sarcasm being what it is, i ignored it.

The question could not be simpler but because you continue using quotation marks around illegalities you may not wish to be honest and "confusion" might be more "polite".

What possible reason could i have to be dishonest? I dont know enough about the subject to take a side or have a valid opinion, thats why im asking questions!
You say the question is simple, but how can it be when you only blame the "invasion" on Turk's? Was there not a Coup de'tat on Cyprus? Did this not bring violence to the Island, where Cypriots were killing their neighbours over political beliefs?Or do you conveniently forget that? Is this why "the History is too big" ? Was there not a treaty in place guaranteeing each sides rights, by Greece Turkey & the UK?Or are you seriously suggesting that even though outnumbered 5 to 1 the TC's still went ahead & caused all these troubles & the Coup was just an irrelevant side show to that "uprising"?
Yeah right!
Looks like i was right, you were being sarcastic.Well Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, my friend.

Hallo CanDiaz, are you sure you dont know much of the Cyprus problem.? What little you know is quite impressive. A belated welcome.

Regards

Deniz

Yeah isnt it amazing what a few weeks of reading & common sense can do? Wish there was more info tho, Cyprus sounds like a goldmine waiting to explode.

[Oracle]

What's a "donum"?

Hello CanDiaz. Would you answer please, my question to you about the illegalities you mentioned. It is at the bottom of page 3 and thank you

Can you be more specific please? The only "illegalities" I mentioned were in regards to not being recognised, hence not recognising.(if that makes sense to you) To be honnest i thought you were being sarcastic & sarcasm being what it is, i ignored it.

The question could not be simpler but because you continue using quotation marks around illegalities you may not wish to be honest and "confusion" might be more "polite".

What possible reason could i have to be dishonest? I dont know enough about the subject to take a side or have a valid opinion, thats why im asking questions!
You say the question is simple, but how can it be when you only blame the "invasion" on Turk's? Was there not a Coup de'tat on Cyprus? Did this not bring violence to the Island, where Cypriots were killing their neighbours over political beliefs?Or do you conveniently forget that? Is this why "the History is too big" ? Was there not a treaty in place guaranteeing each sides rights, by Greece Turkey & the UK?Or are you seriously suggesting that even though outnumbered 5 to 1 the TC's still went ahead & caused all these troubles & the Coup was just an irrelevant side show to that "uprising"?
Yeah right!
Looks like i was right, you were being sarcastic.Well Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind, my friend.

Looks like you've gone off the rails as Deniz has suggested .....

Don't sweat too much .... you clearly do not have the cerebral capacity for analysis ... So stick to Caterwauling ... like Cheshire Cat used to ... who used to be with us shortly before you joined

[Get Real!]

Yeah isnt it amazing what a few weeks of reading & common sense can do? Wish there was more info tho, Cyprus sounds like a goldmine waiting to explode.

I sense that somebody's luck is about to run out...