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Postby halil » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:00 pm

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Under the present circumstances of what has been called the ‘unresolved division’12 in Cyprus, the percentages of Turkish Cypriot- and Greek Cypriot-controlled areas are around 36% and 62% of the territory of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus, respectively. The remaining area (excluding the British Sovereign Base Areas [SBAs]) is the so-called Buffer Zone controlled by UNFICYP.
As regards Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot property ownership in these areas, there is no set of established figures that both sides accept. Turkish Cypriot researchers generally have disputed Greek Cypriot estimates of property ownership on grounds of the unreliability of the Greek Cypriot-controlled land registry records (since 1963).13 In addition, these researchers claim that there were usurpations of the Evkaf properties as well as miri lands14 in the past (especially prior to the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960).
Patrick provided some land ownership figures for 1960 based on statistics supplied (in the post-1964 period) by the Statistics and Research Department of the Cyprus Government’s Ministry of Finance (by then run solely by Greek Cypriots) and by the Planning Department of the Provisional Turkish Cypriot Administration (1964–74).15 These figures show Greek Cypriot ownership ranging from 61% to 81% and Turkish Cypriot ownership from 18% to 38% of the island’s total privately owned land (an illustration of the big difference that has typically existed between the two sides’ data on this matter).
Tables 1.1 and 1.2 below illustrate the data from a Greek Cypriot Lands and Surveys Department report on total land ownership in Cyprus (including the SBAs) before 1974.16 Tables 1.3 and 1.4, on the other hand, show estimates of pre-1974 ownership of land throughout Cyprus based on a study by Halil Giray, a former director of the Turkish Cypriot Cartography Department.17 The figures in the latter two tables do not include the allegedly usurped miri lands (estimated at 322,109 donums),18 but do include the lands that the Turkish Cypriot side claims were ‘illegally expropriated’ or ‘snatched’ from the Evkaf (estimated at 337,245 donums).19
Table 1.1 Pre-1974 ownership of land in Cyprus (including the SBAs) based on the Greek Cypriot Lands and Surveys Department figures
Ownership
Area in donums
%
Private
5,067,572
73.3
State forests, state lands, roads, rivers, etc.
1,847,820
26.7
Total
6,915,392
100.0
Table 1.2 Pre-1974 distribution of private ownership by community based on the Greek Cypriot Lands and Surveys Department figures (includes land in the SBAs)
Private Ownership
Area in donums
%
Greek Cypriot (Church properties included)
4,123,711
81.4
Turkish Cypriot (Evkaf properties included)
852,455
16.8
Other communities (Armenians, Maronites, etc.)
91,406
1.8
Total
5,067,572
100.0
Table 1.3 Pre-1974 ownership of land in Cyprus (including the SBAs) based on the Turkish Cypriot Cartography Department records
Ownership
Area in donums
%
Private
5,067,572
73.3
State forests, state lands, roads, rivers, etc.
1,847,932
26.7
Total
6,915,504
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:01 pm

Bitter sweet pilgrimage – a refugee returns

Since the Turkish occupation regime allowed limited freedom of movement through the occupation line in 2003, many Greek Cypriots have visited their occupied lands. The following is the personal account of a refugee who fled the Turkish invasion of 1974.

“When I heard the occupation regime would allow Greek Cypriots to cross the ‘green line’ I thought that I should not go back as a visitor to my own land. But I realised that people’s ‘visit’ to their homes was not merely a visit but a pilgrimage and for days I could not sleep or eat.

Crossing the occupation line was unsettling – we had mixed feelings and this was proving to be a bitter-sweet experience.

Entering Morphou, my home town, after decades was like living a dream. I felt so overwhelmed as we walked the streets of Morphou in dismay. It has deteriorated so much. The old cemetery has been turned into a car park, the new cemetery desecrated… all the crosses were broken. I cried for a mother, I know personally, who longs to come back and search for the unmarked grave of her son, killed by Turkish soldiers in 1974… With strange contradiction I felt so happy to be back and so sad and angry to see the destruction and the imposed changes. We visited our family property, the orange groves, the factory, the land and finally we went to our two houses. Going back to our neighbourhood and knocking on the door of the family home to be let in, was so strange. We went in… it was in bad condition… so many happy childhood memories.

We picked oranges and flowers from our land… we collected soil from the beloved land to bring back to London, and more importantly, to take to the graves of our family members who worked hard on this land and are now buried away from home. As our tears fell to the ground we promised we will return.

My second visit to the occupied areas was with my relatives to Lapithos, where my family originally comes from. I felt equally upset to see the destruction and the desecrated graves. We searched for the graves of our loved ones. At the first cemetery of Ayios Mamas all that was left from our uncle was a broken cross, thrown with others inside the ruined small church. There was no grave to go to and lay some flowers. Sadly all we could do was light a candle on the broken cross. Half of the cemetery was desecrated and the other half taken over by luxury villas. We were determined to find the graves of our family members. The second cemetery of Archangelos is high on the hills. We found the family grave of our great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

We cleaned the stone, laid some flowers and lit a candle… we were so sorry it has taken so long… Going around Lapithos I personally felt overwhelmed by the beauty of the place that I forgot everything else. How could we have left behind such a beautiful land? Once again we lovingly collected soil from the beloved land, making the same promise. We will return.

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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:03 pm

Quotations

“…the pillage, the destruction and the plundering of places of worship, of each and every religion, is a crime against humanity and civilisation.”
Joint declaration of Pope Benedict XVI and the primate of the Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus Archbishop Chrysostomos II, June 2007

“We visited 26 former Greek villages. We found not a single undesecrated cemetery... At Syngrasis, the church interior was smashed beyond recognition, littered with the remains of icons, pews and beer bottles. The broken crucifix was drenched in urine.”
The Guardian 6 May 1976

“The Secretariat sought to mislead the international community through the Secretary-General's Reports and briefings it prepared, so as to pressure a small state effectively to accept the consequences of aggression by a large neighbouring state allied to two permanent members of the Security Council… a significant opportunity to reach an agreed settlement was lost as a result of the conduct of the UN Secretariat, advised by the USA and the UK.”
Claire Palley in ‘An International Relations Debacle’, 2005

“… but you’ve got it all wrong, hasn’t anyone told you that our plan here is for partition?”
Former US acting Secretary of State George Ball to former naval intelligence officer Martin Packard, Cyprus, 1964

If Ankara’s actions in Cyprus do not constitute ethnic cleansing, the term has no meaning.”
The Washington Times 18 November 1999

“Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor, it must be demanded by the oppressed”
Martin Luther King Jr
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Postby halil » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:04 pm

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Table 1.4 Pre-1974 distribution of private ownership by community based on the Turkish Cypriot Cartography Department records (includes land in the SBAs)
Private ownership
Area in donums
%
Greek Cypriot (Church properties included)
3,624,754
71.5
Turkish Cypriot (Evkaf properties included)
1,352,792
26.7
Other communities (Armenians, Maronites, etc.)
90,026
1.8
Total
5,067,572
100.0
For the total area of privately owned land in 1974, the Turkish Cypriot data (Table 1.3) are exactly the same as the Greek Cypriot data (Table 1.1): 5,067,572 donums or 73.3% of the total land of Cyprus. However, when it comes to the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot shares of private ownership, the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot estimates (in Tables 1.2 and 1.4, respectively) are considerably different. According to the Turkish Cypriot data (Table 1.4), of the total privately owned land in 1974, only 71.5% belonged to Greek Cypriots (considerably lower than the Greek Cypriot estimate) and as much as 26.7% belonged to Turkish Cypriots (considerably higher than the Greek Cypriot estimate). The discrepancy between the Greek Cypriot (Table 1.2) and Turkish Cypriot (Table 1.4) data with regard to the two communities’ shares of private ownership amounts to about 500,000 donums, or 10% of all private lands in 1974.
Before ending this review of the contested facts and figures, it will be useful to look at the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot estimates of land ownership for the areas delineated after 1974, that is, on the two sides of and within the Buffer Zone.
Table 1.5 shows the estimates of the Greek Cypriot Department of Lands and Surveys and the Planning Bureau based on 1964 data.20 Note that these figures do not include the land in the SBAs. The shaded areas refer to the privately owned lands affected by the property dispute, that is, lands outside the control of the community from which the owners (including the Church in the case of the Greek Cypriot community or the Evkaf in the case of the Turkish Cypriot community) come. Based on the data in Table 1.5, we can derive the Greek Cypriot estimates for the three current zones of the island (Table 1.6).
19 To obtain the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot private ownership figures in Table 1.4, Giray’s estimated figure of 322,109 donums for the area of the allegedly ‘usurped’ miri lands was subtracted from his figure for Turkish Cypriot private ownership and added to his figure for Greek Cypriot private ownership.
20 See Claire Palley, An International Relations Debacle (Oregon: Hart Publishing, 2005), p. 175. The discrepancy between the figures of Table 1.5 and those of Tables 1.1 and 1.2 is largely due to the fact that the SBAs are not considered in Table 1.5.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:06 pm

20 July and 14 August mark commemorations of the brutal Turkish invasions of the Republic of Cyprus in 1974. In Cyprus, the Turkish army committed war crimes of:

MASS MURDER
6,000 Greek Cypriots were massacred, many of them tortured to death.

MASS RAPE
1,000 women aged 12 to 78 were raped.

ENFORCED DISAPPEARANCES
More than 1,500 missing Greek Cypriots are still unaccounted for. Many were recorded by the Red Cross and filmed by the BBC as prisoners of the Turkish army. They have never been seen again.

ETHNIC CLEANSING
200,000 Greek Cypriots were expelled from their homes at gunpoint from the occupied north of Cyprus. To this day they are prevented from returning to and reclaiming their homes by 43,000 Turkish troops which are enforcing apartheid in Europe.

COLONISATION
Since 1974 Turkey has colonised the occupied north of Cyprus with 162,000 Turkish nationals in order to alter the demographic composition of the island.

CULTURAL DESTRUCTION
Hundreds of Greek Orthodox churches have been destroyed in order to eradicate the culture and history of the Greek Cypriots who are indigenous to the island for thousands of years.

Turkey has been condemned for its crimes in Cyprus by more than 120 United Nations and Security Council resolutions and by the European Court of Human Rights.

We call for a settlement that ensures the reunification of Cyprus and that it is consistent with democratic norms, European Union law and human rights!

We urge you to contact your government representatives in support of our cause!

The 3Rs:
• Removal of all Turkish troops
• Repatriation of all Turkish colonists
• Return of all refugees
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:10 pm

Have you got any links for the 6000 dead? your Greek brothers killed 2500 when you started the fighting amongst yourselves, there rest were soldiers and civilians just like ours dead.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:11 pm

Anyway ooroo Halilabad. Do not forget to take your blood pressure tablets. :lol: :lol:

I can go on posting all day. It is too easy.

Getting late down under so time for me to hit the sack.

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Postby CanDiaz » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:
Paphitis wrote::lol: :lol:

I can assure you that GR and Oracle are 2 different people.

Every now and then, some people are a couple of stubbies shorth of a 6 pack. :lol:

I guess sometimes people get frustrated. You must understand that it is easy to let emotions take over, as just about every Cypriot family has suffered in this sorry saga called the Cyprus Problem.

Do you live in Australia by any chance?


I wish, been a few times tho. But im still dubious to this claim of dual iddiotship of GR & oracle. Finding any sense from these 2(or 1) is like shit from a rocking horse. Or should i say As common as a dog in Springvale. :wink:


:lol:

With all these Auzzie sayings, I am as happy as a pig in shit. :lol:

Did you have a gander at that link?

I am glad you like Australia. It is a great country, and I am fortunate to be living here. You never know, maybe you will move down under one day.


yeah i did the " ill work for 6 months under your TFN(is that right?was long ago!) & you reap the benefits when you return from your European travel" caper back in the early 90's. Worked mostly in nightclubs & bar's, hence the Aussie banter.
I did look at the link & although it is not written by some clown who thinks that Cyprus is in the Tropics, its still seem's very one sided, but thanks again.
Cyprus has it's problems that for sure, but all this name calling between the 2 Cypriot communities is, about as useful as a one-legged man in an arse kicking contest. :lol: :wink: Ill stop now, running out of Aussie talk!
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Postby halil » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:17 pm

We have seen those ones many times at this forum . this ones are not like your ones try to read .


4Table 1.5 Land ownership in donums for the post-1974 territories based on 1964 figures by the Greek Cypriot Department of Lands and Surveys and the Planning Bureau. (Land in the SBAs not included. ‘Greek Cypriot’ includes Armenian Cypriots and Maronite Cypriots.)
Area
Greek Cypriot
Turkish Cypriot
Non-Cypriot
Public
Total
North
1,463,382 (60.60%)
393,791
(16.31%)
6,767
(0.28%)
551,150
(22.82%)
2,415,090
(100%)
Buffer Zone
112,326 (62.21%)
25,362
(14.05%)
2,494
(1.38%)
40,384
(22.37%)
180,566
(100%)
South
2,543,021 (61.56%)
413,177
(10.00%)
10,011 (0.24%)
1,165,029
(28.2%)
4,131,238
(100%)
Whole island
4,118,729 (61.23%)
832,330
(12.37%)
19,272 (0.29%)
1,756,563
(26.11%)
6,726,894
(100%)
Table 1.6 Percentages of privately owned land in the post-1974 territories based on 1964 figures by the Greek Cypriot Department of Lands and Surveys and the Planning Bureau. (Land in the SBAs not included. ‘Greek Cypriot’ includes Armenian Cypriots and Maronite Cypriots.)
Area
Greek Cypriot (%)
Turkish Cypriot (%)
Non-Cypriot (%)
Total
North
78.5
21.1
0.4
100
Buffer Zone
80.1
18.1
1.8
100
South
85.7
13.9
0.3
100
Whole island
82.9
16.7
0.4
100
According to Greek Cypriot estimates (Tables 1.5 and 1.6), 1,463,382 donums of land in the north belong to Greek Cypriots. This corresponds to 60.6% of the total land and 78.5% of all privately owned land in the north.
Tables 1.7 and 1.8 below give the same type of data as in Tables 1.5 and 1.6, but on the basis of Turkish Cypriot estimates, and include the properties claimed to have been ‘snatched’ from the Evkaf. Here the figures include the SBAs. As above, the shaded areas represent the privately owned lands affected by the property dispute, that is, lands outside the control of the community from which the owners (including the Church in the case of the Greek Cypriot community and the Evkaf in the case of the Turkish Cypriot community) come.
Table 1.7 Land ownership in donums for the post-1974 territories based on 1974 records by the Turkish Cypriot Cartography Department (‘south’ includes the SBAs)
Area
Greek Cypriot
Turkish Cypriot
Other
Public
Total
North
1,228,838 (50.71%)
637,912
(26.33%)
59,406 (2.45%)
497,000
(20.51%)
2,423,156
(100%)
Buffer Zone
126,230 (69.20%)
35,823
(19.64%)
2,500 (1.37%)
17,867
(9.79%)
182,420
(100%)
South
2,269,686 (52.66%)
679,057
(15.76%)
28,120 (0.65%)
1,333,065
(30.93%)
4,309,928
(100%)
Whole island
3,624,754 (52.41%)
1,352,792 (19.56%)
90,026 (1,30%)
1,847,932
(26.72 %)
6,915,504
(100%)


Table 1.8 Percentages of privately owned land in the post-1974 territories based on 1974 records by the Turkish Cypriot Mapping Department (‘south’ includes the SBAs).
Area
Greek Cypriot (%)
Turkish Cypriot (%)
Other (%)
Total
North
63.8
33.1
4.1
100
Buffer Zone
76.7
21.8
1.5
100
South
76.2
22.8
0.9
100
Whole island
71.5
26.7
1.8
100
Again, as one would expect, the Turkish Cypriot estimates of Turkish Cypriot-owned land on either side of the island are much higher than the Greek Cypriot estimates: 33.1% of privately owned land in the north, and 22.8% of privately owned land in the south (corresponding Greek Cypriot figures are 21.1% and 13.9%, respectively). What is more important is the percentage of Greek Cypriot private property in the north. The Turkish Cypriot side estimates this at 1,228,838 donums, which is equivalent to 63.8% of all privately owned land in the north. Although significantly lower than the corresponding Greek Cypriot estimate (1,463,382 donums or 78.5%), this is still a remarkably high percentage.
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Postby DT. » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:17 pm

Halil,

keep these posts to some of us who are not presently living in our homes right now because of the Turkish army. You haven't moved from your house and village.
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