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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:37 pm

CanDiaz wrote:
pythona wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
pythona wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:Ive read about some "abandoned" villages, (i think it was near Polis?!) are all TC property's & lands untouched by any developement or such, as has been claimed in above post's?

Turkish Cypriots left few homes but GCs were forced out leaving many more in the occupied Cyprus. Many GCs' homes were sold by the Turkish, but no Turkish Cypriot homes were sold by GCs in free-Cyprus.

After the Turkish invasion, abandoned Turkish Cypriot properties were taken over by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties, which will return them upon a solution of the political problem.

He reiterated the government line that Turkish Cypriots could claim their property if they permanently settled in the free areas.

“If there are any difficulties or disagreements they could appeal in court against any decision made by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties,” the spokesman said.

Chrysostomides said the Republic provided shelter to all Turkish Cypriots intending to stay.

Commenting on Turkish actions to bypass the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on the issue of properties, Chrysostomides said there was no possibility the ECHR would accept such an arrangement.

Foreign Minister George Iacovou, who flew to Strasbourg yesterday, confirmed that the Turkish side was trying hard to bypass the ECHR.

Cyprus Mail 15/05/03



The issue we were discussing was the issue of who owns what land in the north. Before 1974, there was a lot of Turkish Cypriot owned land which some have denied or overlook.

The 'illegal' selling of GC land and property is deplorable and does not help the TC cause an Iota. This I agree with. (especially the double dippers).

Thank you for understanding about this selling of GC properties. CanDiaz was also asking about abandoned TC properties which are much less than the many more the GCs had to leave. But thank you again for saying how bad it is for the Turkish to sell GC properties. :)


Ofcourse it is bad, especially if property was given to people's other than TC's! But given the isolation of the North, this was only to be expected. You cant make a country "Illegal" then expect them to act according to the "law", that doesn't recognise them.
How did it ever go so wrong? (& dont say that 18% of the population all of a sudden decided to take on the remainder, in a head to head.) :lol:


If you would like to learn more about the property issue, then read this:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... t=property

And Halil, TCs are welcome to claim their properties in the south. They still hold title deeds to their properties and these deeds are protected by The Republic of Cyprus.

And CanDiaz, the "trnc" is illegal because Turkey invaded the sovereign country of Cyprus and continues it's illegal occupation of 37% of our territory. It ethnically cleansed 160,000 inhabitants from the occupied areas and has changed the demographics of the island by importing 120,000 illegal settlers which constitutes a war crime in itself as it contravenes the Geneva Conventions on occupied territories. The "trnc" is not recognised and is condemned by all , including the UN.
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Postby halil » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:49 pm

Land distribution in TRNC by type of land and by villages.
Kazalar -Districts ARAZİ ÇEŞİDİ - TYPE OF LAND

Bölgeler - Regions Tarım Orman Hali-Mera Kullanılmayan Toplam
Köyler - Villages Agricultural Forest Grazing Unused Total
Lefkoşa Merkez bölgesi - Central Nicosia region
1. Alayköy 21.982 - - 9.460 31.442
2. Gönyeli 16.692 42 1.069 1.064 18.867
3. Gürpınar 5.066 90 - 9.027 14.183
4. Hamitköy 9.807 53 2.483 26 12.369
5. Kanlıköy 5.793 - 86 895 6.774
6. Kaymaklı 15.615 - 98 6.438 22.151
7. Mamari 2.773 - - 584 3.357
8. Ortaköy 6.527 - 1.527 8.054
9. Türkeli 7.424 77 85 2.175 9.761
10. Yenişehir- Marmara 2.517 759 3.276
11. Yılmazköy 11.370 - - 1.129 12.499
TOPLAM - TOTAL 105.566 262 3.821 33.084 142.733

Değirmenlik bölgesi - Değirmenlik region
12. Beyköy 616 - 11 950 1.577
13. Cihangir 7.765 13 469 532 8.779
14. Çukurova 2.210 - 8 361 2.579
15. Demirhan 1.737 - - 136 1.873
16. Değirmenlik 3.099 11.463 1.336 4.740 20.638
17. Düzova 8.649 - - 180 280 8.929
18. Gökhan 2.992 - 1 677 3.670
19. Haspolat 6.672 1.171 - 3.086 10.929
20. Kalavaç 3.502 385 3.044 71 7.002
21. Minareliköy 14.674 657 - 1.250 16.581
22. Yeniceköy 2.409 - 309 82 2.800
TOPLAM - TOTAL 54.325 13.689 5.178 12.165 85.357

Ercan bölgesi - Ercan region
23. Akıncılar 16.695 - - 3.172 19.867
24. Balıkesir 13.445 10 - 774 14.229
25. Dilekkaya 9.569 - 186 1.787 11.542
26. Erdemli 6.765 26 1.346 2.645 10.782
27. Gaziköy 13.438 - 51 467 13.956
28. Gaziler 11.350 - 420 265 12.035
29. Kiracıköy 12.257 89 - 1.593 13.939
30. Kırklar 13.437 17 - 6.211 19.665
31. Kırıkkale 4.649 33 990 123 5.795
32. Meriç 13.917 35 611 223 14.786
33. Yiğitler 7.681 4 - 3.012 10.697
TOPLAM - TOTAL 123.203 214 3.604 20.272 147.293
XIII
Güzelyurt bölgesi - Güzelyurt region
34. Akçay 5.199 9 367 850 6.425
35. Aydınköy 6.527 - - 1.358 7.885
36. Bostancı 24.656 - 46 315 25.017
37. Doğancı 8.495 - 99 265 8.859
38. Gayretköy 1.553 6 7 2.580 4.146
39. Gaziveren 3.954 - 622 375 4.951
40. Güneşköy 2.814 - 6 867 3.687
41. Güzelyurt 37.385 510 9 2.074 39.978
42. Kalkanlı 10.048 2.053 6.731 4.385 23.217
43. Mevlevi 5.628 - 5.213 8.785 19.626
44. Serhatköy 3.617 339 5.128 9.325 18.409
45. Şahinler 1.007 - 401 1.714 3.122
46. Taşpınar 3.081 - 132 3.514 6.727
47. Yayla 4.196 105 1.860 2.353 8.514
48. Yeşilyurt 4.494 189 50 1.797 6.530
49. Yuvacık 1.776 - - 261 2.037
50. Zümrütköy 2.370 - 2 916 3.288
TOPLAM - TOTAL 126.800 3.211 20.673 41.734 192.418

Lefke bölgesi - Lefke region
51. Bademliköy 2.148 3.870 - 3.021 9.039
52. Bağlıköy 3.717 - - 2.566 6.283
53. Cengizköy 2.946 - 180 397 3.523
54. Çamlıköy 1.927 - 23 1.306 3.256
55. Gemikonağı 1.975 - 11 805 2.791
56. Günebakan-Süleym. 1.453 5.418 38 4.003 10.912
57. Kurutepe 3.148 1.361 - 2.554 7.063
58. Lefke 6.497 493 - 10.415 17.405
59. Madenliköy 430 - - 1.612 2.042
60. Ömerli 662 5.614 45 2.788 9.109
61. Şirinköy 1.525 445 25 1.995
62. Taşköy 3.540 - - 7.524 11.064
63. Yedidalga 570 190 46 535 1.341
64. Yeşilırmak 3.156 2.647 440 485 6.728
TOPLAM - TOTAL 33.694 20.038 783 38.036 92.551
LEFKOŞA KAZA TOPLAMI
NICOSIA DISTRICT (TOTAL) 443.588 37.414 34.059 145.291 660.352
XIV
Gazi Mağusa A bölgesi - Famagusta A region
65. Aygün 4.345 - 791 542 5.678
66. Boğaziçi 7.605 - - 219 7.824
67. Gazi Mağusa 7.135 - 5 33.215 40.355
68. Kuzucuk 3.233 1.290 78 4.601
69. Mormenekşe 15.272 22 1.338 721 17.353
70. Ötüken 4.218 361 207 360 5.146
71. Sınırüstü 8.069 - 578 161 8.808
72. Şehitler 6.882 - 1.456 202 8.540
73. Yeniboğaziçi 5.603 2.350 300 1.541 9.794
TOPLAM - TOTAL 62.362 2.733 5.965 37.039 108.099

Gazi Mağusa B bölgesi - Famagusta B reg

74. Aslanköy 13.213 63 189 2.177 15.642
75. Dörtyol 14.056 22 57 505 14.640
76. Düzce 5.313 - - 20.691 26.004
77. Güvercinlik 15.428 - 2.966 1.408 19.802
78. Korkuteli 9.650 13 1.359 293 11.315
79. Kurudere 3.122 - 107 23 3.252
80. Mutluyaka 12.425 20 1.261 1.758 15.464
81. Pirhan 10.821 4 30 1.064 11.919
82. Tuzla 7.560 - 1.093 1.387 10.040
TOPLAM - TOTAL 91.588 122 7.062 29.306 128.078

Akdoğan bölgesi - Akdoğan region
83. Akdoğan 17.222 89 2.320 11.305 30.936
84. Beyarmudu 14.773 - - 10.535 25.308
85. Çayönü 17.576 49 392 2.698 20.715
86. İncirli 5.846 - 1.315 922 8.083
87. İnönü 11.629 - 1.220 1.033 13.882
88. Köprü 8.545 49 - 1.504 10.098
89. Paşaköy 16.118 51 43 5.725 21.937
90. Pile 3.960 17.686 21.646
91. Turunçlu 4.851 - 187 128 5.166
92. Türkmenköy 11.123 1.590 6.088 18.801
93. Vadili 21.020 13 1.245 948 23.226
TOPLAM - TOTAL 132.663 251 8.312 58.572 199.798
XV
Yenierenköy bölgesi - Yenierenköy region
94. Adaçay 2.300 978 249 1.175 4.702
95. Avtepe 3.292 5.486 117 771 9.666
96. Boltaşlı 2.782 1.796 137 800 5.515
97. Derince 4.492 2.247 162 1.798 8.699
98. Dipkarpaz 43.908 51.867 1.440 8.991 106.206
99. Esenköy 727 1.289 79 883 2.978
100.Gelincik 3.445 1.534 1.058 1.297 7.334
101.Kaleburnu 8.212 6.795 1.085 802 16.894
102.Kuruova 6.841 4.421 154 1.183 12.599
103.Sipahi 6.408 1.967 790 4.697 13.862
104.Yenierenköy 13.455 9.908 1.783 12.283 37.429
105.Yesilköy 7.894 6.055 1.177 2.126 17.252
106.Ziyamet 7.375 2.541 154 2.624 12.694
TOPLAM - TOTAL 111.131 96.884 8.385 39.430 255.830

Mehmetçik bölgesi - Mehmetçik region
107.Bafra 4.157 4.413 48 897 9.515
108.Balalan 8.455 5.529 2.191 513 16.688
109.Büyükkonuk 16.562 6.841 1.320 5.765 30.488
110.Çayırova 9.932 8.414 276 1.083 19.705
111.Kilitkaya 5.928 2.053 322 595 8.898
112.Kumyalı 8.878 3.504 436 2.554 15.372
113.Mehmetcik 17.001 12 1.036 551 18.600
114.Pamuklu 3.590 1.456 116 431 5.593
115.Sazlıköy 3.613 188 283 63 4.147
116.Taşlıca 1.491 1.825 439 996 4.751
117.Yedikonuk 11.771 7.551 712 4.441 24.475
118.Zeybekköy 1.662 - 13 89 1.764
TOPLAM - TOTAL 93.040 41.786 7.192 17.978 159.996

Yeni İskele bölgesi - Yeni Iskele region
119.Altınova 5.355 1.857 1.138 203 8.553
120.Ardahan 4.975 5.298 1.496 3.402 15.171
121.Ağıllar 3.622 9.114 640 2.125 15.501
122.Boğaz 49 106 69 356 580
123.Boğaztepe-Monorga 437 - 93 122 652
124.Ergazi 7.398 2.316 1.026 270 11.010
125.Kalecik 5.489 1.390 1.462 1.123 9.464
126.Kaplıca 2.433 5.628 603 9.824 18.488
127.Kurtuluş 2.177 - 249 144 2.570
128.Mersinlik 1.562 7.676 442 7.640 17.320
129.Topcuköy 6.531 8.360 875 235 16.001
130.Turnalar 3.857 1.840 965 1.859 8.521
131.Yarköy 8.580 24 963 918 10.485
132.Yeni İskele 22.164 1.426 1.902 2.918 28.410
TOPLAM - TOTAL 74.629 45.035 11.923 31.139 162.726
XVI
Gönendere bölgesi - Gönendere region
133.Çamlıca 2.904 3.697 138 110 6.849
134.Ergenekon 2.339 2.466 1.202 86 6.093
135.Gönendere 12.974 2.500 860 263 16.597
136.Görneç 7.706 3.197 4.118 144 15.165
137.Nergisli 9.670 81 912 641 11.304
138.Pınarlı 5.988 - 350 208 6.546
139.Serdarlı 8.652 - 1.911 233 10.796
140.Sütlüce 5.899 - - 109 6.008
141.Tirmen 4.809 5.876 2.635 2.463 15.783
142.Ulukışla 13.023 - 216 7.431 20.670
TOPLAM - TOTAL 73.964 17.817 12.342 11.688 115.811

Geçitkale bölgesi - Geçitkale region
143.Akova 13.154 6 2.367 1.942 17.469
144.Alaniçi-Ovacık 17.467 - 3.508 219 21.194
145.Arıdamı 3.741 1.947 1.264 104 7.056
146.Çınarlı 6.331 8.281 1.241 171 16.024
147.Geçitkale 32.642 1.210 - 2.357 36.209
148.Mallıdağ 3.954 3.616 628 134 8.332
149.Tatlısu 11.881 34.179 927 15.033 62.020
150.Yamaçköy 1.135 4.852 955 2.023 8.965
151.Yıldırım 10.617 - 4.206 1.605 16.428
TOPLAM - TOTAL 100.922 54.091 15.096 23.588 193.697
GAZİMAĞUSA KAZA TOPLAMI
FAMAGUSTA DISTRICT (TOTAL) 740.299 258.719 76.277 248.740 1.324.035

Girne Doğu bölgesi - East Kyrenia region
152.Arapköy 1.536 10.807 137 2.471 14.951
153.Bahçeli 5.262 4.676 443 2.109 12.490
154.Beylerbeyi 1.890 15.010 738 91 17.729
155.Beşparmak 804 4.009 7 47 4.867
156.Çatalköy 4.905 2.874 148 6.901 14.828
157.Doğanköy 646 20 2 45 713
158.Esentepe 9.506 10.030 175 3.083 22.794
159.Girne - 1.492 - 4.056 5.548
160.Karaağaç 5.471 14.631 205 3.006 23.313
161.Karakum 157 - - 118 275
162.Ozanköy 4.548 - 30 1.140 5.718
TOPLAM - TOTAL 34.725 63.549 1.885 23.067 123.226
XVII
Girne Batı bölgesi - West Kyrenia region
163.Alsancak 4.851 2.158 - 990 7.999
164.Edremit 1.728 128 - 639 2.495
165.Ilgaz 221 2.178 5 275 2.679
166.Karaman 1.147 7.645 4 2.700 11.496
167.Karaoğlanoğlu 693 - 24 287 1.004
168.Karşıyaka 4.509 8.978 9 2.237 15.733
169.Lapta 4.228 6.411 16 2.844 13.499
170.Malatya-İncesu 211 2.015 - 993 3.219
171.Yeşiltepe 505 - - 236 741
172.Zeytinlik 2.253 678 - 314 3.245
TOPLAM - TOTAL 20.346 30.191 58 11.515 62.110

Boğaz bölgesi - Bogaz region
173.Ağırdağ-Boğaz-Köm. 4.591 2.181 196 1.439 8.407
174.Dağyolu 7.552 - 366 250 8.168
174.Dikmen 18.224 4.800 2.009 5.083 30.116
175.Göçeri 6.622 1.180 21 144 7.967
176.Güngör 895 7.687 1.599 40 10.221
177.Pınarbaşı 8.880 1.540 1.193 100 11.713
178.Taşkent-Kaynakköy 3.727 3.001 - 6.568 13.296
TOPLAM - TOTAL 50.491 20.389 5.384 13.624 89.888

Çamlıbel bölgesi - Çamlıbel region
179.Akdeniz 4.421 21.183 324 1.565 27.493
180.Akçiçek 3.979 1.055 142 2.864 8.040
181.Alemdağ 1.409 1.455 146 1.621 4.631
182.Çamlıbel 4.274 4.555 163 1.563 10.555
183.Geçitköy 259 661 - 124 1.044
184.Hisarköy 3.846 705 741 123 5.415
185.Karpaşa 7.099 2.039 - 573 9.711
186.Kayalar 990 469 - 1.623 3.082
187.Koruçam 24.622 12.460 - 3.856 40.938
188.Kozanköy 5.128 3.373 1.001 1.263 10.765
188.Kördemen-İkidere 9.061 - 1.861 1.277 12.199
189.Özhan 15.324 - - 977 16.301
190.Sadrazamköy 2.406 5.164 - 3.856 11.426
191.Şirinevler 9.198 - 116 272 9.586
192.Tepebaşı 16.658 17.359 - 738 34.755
TOPLAM - TOTAL 108.674 70.478 4.494 22.295 240.696
GİRNE KAZA TOPLAMI
KYRENIA DISTRICT (TOTAL) 214.236 184.607 11.821 70.501 515.920

K.K.T.C TOPLAMI -TRNC TOTAL 1.398.123 480.740 122.157 464.532 2.465.552
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Postby CanDiaz » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:54 pm

Paphitis wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:
pythona wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
pythona wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:Ive read about some "abandoned" villages, (i think it was near Polis?!) are all TC property's & lands untouched by any developement or such, as has been claimed in above post's?

Turkish Cypriots left few homes but GCs were forced out leaving many more in the occupied Cyprus. Many GCs' homes were sold by the Turkish, but no Turkish Cypriot homes were sold by GCs in free-Cyprus.

After the Turkish invasion, abandoned Turkish Cypriot properties were taken over by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties, which will return them upon a solution of the political problem.

He reiterated the government line that Turkish Cypriots could claim their property if they permanently settled in the free areas.

“If there are any difficulties or disagreements they could appeal in court against any decision made by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties,” the spokesman said.

Chrysostomides said the Republic provided shelter to all Turkish Cypriots intending to stay.

Commenting on Turkish actions to bypass the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on the issue of properties, Chrysostomides said there was no possibility the ECHR would accept such an arrangement.

Foreign Minister George Iacovou, who flew to Strasbourg yesterday, confirmed that the Turkish side was trying hard to bypass the ECHR.

Cyprus Mail 15/05/03



The issue we were discussing was the issue of who owns what land in the north. Before 1974, there was a lot of Turkish Cypriot owned land which some have denied or overlook.

The 'illegal' selling of GC land and property is deplorable and does not help the TC cause an Iota. This I agree with. (especially the double dippers).

Thank you for understanding about this selling of GC properties. CanDiaz was also asking about abandoned TC properties which are much less than the many more the GCs had to leave. But thank you again for saying how bad it is for the Turkish to sell GC properties. :)


Ofcourse it is bad, especially if property was given to people's other than TC's! But given the isolation of the North, this was only to be expected. You cant make a country "Illegal" then expect them to act according to the "law", that doesn't recognise them.
How did it ever go so wrong? (& dont say that 18% of the population all of a sudden decided to take on the remainder, in a head to head.) :lol:


If you would like to learn more about the property issue, then read this:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... t=property

And Halil, TCs are welcome to claim their properties in the south. They still hold title deeds to their properties and these deeds are protected by The Republic of Cyprus.

And CanDiaz, the "trnc" is illegal because Turkey invaded the sovereign country of Cyprus and continues it's illegal occupation of 37% of our territory. It ethnically cleansed 160,000 inhabitants from the occupied areas and has changed the demographics of the island by importing 120,000 illegal settlers which constitutes a war crime in itself as it contravenes the Geneva Conventions on occupied territories. The "trnc" is not recognised and is condemned by all , including the UN.


Thanks for link cobber, but considering that the OP of that thread, doesn't know the Equator from his ass hole, ill pass!
I would be interested in a none Cyprus Forum link that would shed some light on this mess.
I also doubt very much that Turkey, one day all of a sudden said " right, looks like good weather to "invade" Cyprus" & then went ahead & did it! Im sure, its not clear cut as you say!
UN condemning you these days don't mean shit, im afraid. They been condemning Israel for decades & zilch.Same thing in Iraq, UN said no, USA & UK said, pff yeah whatever. :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:58 pm

Property in occupied north Cyprus – the facts

Your questions answered

Some unscrupulous property developers and estate agents are attempting to sell stolen Greek Cypriot properties in the illegally occupied north of Cyprus. To tempt prospective purchasers to part with their money, a number of untruths are being made to unsuspecting British nationals. Please note the following answers to important issues.

Q Who owns the land and properties in occupied north Cyprus?
A Approximately 90 percent is owned by Greek Cypriots. It is most likely that any property being touted belongs to Greek Cypriot refugees, who according to UN resolutions have the right to return, but for the time being are prevented from doing so.

Q Are title-deeds issued by the regime in occupied north Cyprus legal?
A No. They are NOTworth the paper they are written on. The ethnically cleansed Greek Cypriots remain the legitimate holders of title-deeds, as reaffirmed by the European Court of Human Rights (Loizidou v Turkey 1996) and the English High Court (Orams v Apostolides 2006).

Q Has there been a ‘property exchange’in occupied Cyprus between Greek and Turkish Cypriots?
A No. Such an agreement HAS NOTtaken place as Greek Cypriots wish to return, but for the moment are unable to, due to the current illegal Turkish occupation. The distribution of false title-deeds by the occupation regime does not constitute a ‘property exchange’.

Q Is occupied ‘north Cyprus’a legal entity?
A No. It is part of the Republic of Cyprus which is under illegal Turkish occupation, in violation of international law. Therefore the laws and courts of the occupied territories are invalid and cannot provide legal remedy to any property disputes.

Q Is it legal to purchase Greek Cypriot property in occupied Cyprus?
A No. It is ILLEGALto exploit the properties of Greek Cypriots in occupied Cyprus. This can and has resulted in imprisonment in the free areas of the island.

Q But didn’t the English High Court rule that the Orams won the right to
remain on the land they ‘purchased’in occupied Cyprus?
A No. The Court reaffirmed that Mr Apostolides, a Greek Cypriot refugee remains the owner of his land and that the Orams are “trespassers”.

Q If there is a solution to the Cyprus occupation, will buyers keep any property they "purchased"?
A The British High Commission in Cyprus has warned that in the event of a solution "purchasers" risk losing illegally obtained property that belongs to Greek Cypriots.

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/

Source GRs post from:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... t=property

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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:02 pm

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/newslette ... 20copy.htm

The Big Steal

Not content with having occupied the northern part of Cyprus, Turkey is now engaging in the systematic concreting over of stolen Greek Cypriot land and selling it to foreigners. This is the final act to complete the 1974 ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots and to consolidate Turkey’s illegal occupation.


Desecration of Greek heritage in Lapithos, occupied Cyprus. This systematic destruction was made to make way for the illegal property development shown right
Part of the former Greek cemetery in Lapithos – demolished and concreted over to build luxury villas for illegal sale
See Lapithos and Morphou photo report »

What were the steps that led to the current exploitation of Greek Cypriot land and properties?

Find a pretext to invade Cyprus.
Ethnically cleanse the Greek Cypriots.
Systematically destroy Greek cultural heritage.
Destroy Greek cemeteries and churches.
Change all place names from Greek to Turkish.
Bring in tens of thousands of Turkish colonists to alter the demography of the island.
Destroy or redevelop Greek homes and land.
Perpetuate the lie that the occupied north is and has always been Turkish.
Concrete over remaining land.
Sell new developments on Greek land to foreigners.
Unfortunately, governments such as those in the UK and the US seem not to possess the ethics or courage to stand up to Turkey, despite its numerous violations of human rights and international law. There exists a complacent attitude taken by the UK government which turns a blind eye to opportunists building on Greek Cypriot land and selling it from the UK.


Land ownership in northern area of Cyprus under occupation
According to official statistics more than 82 percent of property in the occupied area prior to the Turkish invasion of 1974, was either owned by Greek Cypriots (60.6 percent) or by the Republic of Cyprus itself (22.82 percent). By contrast barely 16 percent of the property was owned by Turkish Cypriots.
Following the Turkish invasion, the illegal regime in the occupied north of the island claimed ownership of the 82 percent of land and produced bogus title-deeds in an attempt to create new ownership.

As the occupation regime has been deemed an illegal secessionist entity under United Nations Security council resolution 541 and 550 and by the European Court of Human Rights, the occupation regime does not have jurisdiction to perform valid transfers of property ownership. Of course it will be recalled that every court that has ever looked at these deeds has declared them worthless and illegal. The ethnically cleansed Greek Cypriots remain the legitimate holders of title-deeds, as reaffirmed by numerous cases, in particular the landmark European Court of Human Rights Loizidou v Turkey case of 1996 which compensated displaced Greek Cypriot owner Titina Loizidou for loss of use – not loss of ownership, as she remains the legitimate owner. Greek Cypriot ownership was reaffirmed by English High Court (Orams v Apostolides 2006), despite the spin that much of the UK press placed in reports to suggest that the Orams won ownership of Mr Apostolides’ property in Lapithos. Indeed, the High Court judge branded the Orams trespassers. In the recent Xenides-Arestis v Turkey case, Greek Cypriot ownership was reconfirmed. There is no doubt that in law, Greek Cypriots still own their land and properties in occupied Cyprus.

There is no doubt that in law, the Greek Cypriots own their land and properties in occupied Cyprus
In an attempt to circumvent this, the Turkish occupation authorities are now perpetrating the big steal. Companies are being set up in the UK to promote the illegal sale of Greek Cypriot properties to UK citizens. They use massive property exhibitions such as those at Excel to do this. For example, sales of property in Akanthou, Ayios Amvrosios and Vokolida are commonplace. Yet no Turkish Cypriots owned property in these areas. The buyers are duped into buying, by being told that the title-deeds are safe. They are told that there has been a property exchange between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, which of course is patently untrue, as it takes two willing parties to agree to an exchange. Distributing false title-deeds does not constitute ‘property exchange’ by any stretch of the imagination.
Lobby advises any displaced land and property owners to contact Lobby if they find their land is being built on. We will offer advice on legal rights free of charge.

The irony is that the shoddy workmanship of some illegal developments in the occupied territories and the dubious practices of the builders may be what finally kills off this activity. Dissatisfied British buyers have set up their own ‘homebuyers’ pressure group, saying their “dreams of a home” in the occupied north have become a nightmare. This is due to unscrupulous lawyers, builders, developers and estate agents taking advantage of unsuspecting, or indeed greedy buyers keen to seize the opportunity to exploit plundered Greek Cypriot properties.

The buying or selling of Greek Cypriot properties in occupied Cyprus constitutes a criminal offence. Those found guilty of such exploitation risk facing legal action, which can and has resulted in imprisonment in free areas of the Republic of Cyprus.

More myths of Turkish Cypriot ‘isolation’
The myth of Turkish Cypriot isolation continues to confuse those with an interest in Cypriot politics. In an attempt to upgrade the status of the illegal regime in occupied Cyprus, millions of pounds in public relations are being wasted on trying to prove a negative – the alleged isolation of the Turkish Cypriots.

Despite the efforts of Turkey and the leaders of the Turkish Cypriots to have the so-called government of the occupied north recognised as a legitimate one, only Turkey recognises it. Therefore, Turkey’s claim of ‘isolation’ is designed to pressure the EU and the UN into recognition of the existence of that illegal entity.

Number of Turkish Cypriots with Republic of Cyprus documentation

Official figures up to May 2007
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90,920
Turkish Cypriots with Republic of Cyprus birth certificates
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79,497
Turkish Cypriots with Republic of Cyprus identity cards
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49,156
Turkish Cypriots with Republic of Cyprus passports
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Source: Government of Republic of Cyprus
Unfortunately in this case the facts shout louder than the money can talk. According to statistics released by the Republic of Cyprus in June 2007 and accurate as of May 2007: 49,156 Turkish Cypriots currently have Republic of Cyprus passports; 79,497 have Republic identity cards and 90,920 have Republic birth certificates. Armed with these documents, the Turkish Cypriots are free to travel not only throughout the Cyprus Republic but also, as citizens of the European Union, throughout Europe. On that basis it is very hard to see how this constitutes isolation. Indeed, by seeking this legitimacy and obtaining it, the Turkish Cypriots are expressly defying their leaders, whose policy of seeking international recognition for the illegal regime is proving increasingly bankrupt.
In addition to their complete freedom of movement these Turkish Cypriots are also likely to be working in the Republic and send or take money to the occupied north. They are equally accorded all the rights of Cypriot citizens including free state health care, social welfare services, national insurance and provision of education.

The news of the actions of the Turkish Cypriots to defy the efforts of their leaders and accept the benefits of citizenship of the Republic comes after the Republic of Cyprus had announced initiatives to establish joint ventures and other opportunities between businesses in the Republic and those in the occupied area. These programmes are a continuing part of the Republic’s compliance with the July 8, 2006 agreement, which the illegal regime in the occupied area has yet to honour by any action.

The ‘isolation’ is a myth, pure and simple. Turkish Cypriots are supported by the Republic of Cyprus and are entitled to the benefits of Cypriot and EU citizenship.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:05 pm

CanDiaz wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:
pythona wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
pythona wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:Ive read about some "abandoned" villages, (i think it was near Polis?!) are all TC property's & lands untouched by any developement or such, as has been claimed in above post's?

Turkish Cypriots left few homes but GCs were forced out leaving many more in the occupied Cyprus. Many GCs' homes were sold by the Turkish, but no Turkish Cypriot homes were sold by GCs in free-Cyprus.

After the Turkish invasion, abandoned Turkish Cypriot properties were taken over by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties, which will return them upon a solution of the political problem.

He reiterated the government line that Turkish Cypriots could claim their property if they permanently settled in the free areas.

“If there are any difficulties or disagreements they could appeal in court against any decision made by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties,” the spokesman said.

Chrysostomides said the Republic provided shelter to all Turkish Cypriots intending to stay.

Commenting on Turkish actions to bypass the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on the issue of properties, Chrysostomides said there was no possibility the ECHR would accept such an arrangement.

Foreign Minister George Iacovou, who flew to Strasbourg yesterday, confirmed that the Turkish side was trying hard to bypass the ECHR.

Cyprus Mail 15/05/03



The issue we were discussing was the issue of who owns what land in the north. Before 1974, there was a lot of Turkish Cypriot owned land which some have denied or overlook.

The 'illegal' selling of GC land and property is deplorable and does not help the TC cause an Iota. This I agree with. (especially the double dippers).

Thank you for understanding about this selling of GC properties. CanDiaz was also asking about abandoned TC properties which are much less than the many more the GCs had to leave. But thank you again for saying how bad it is for the Turkish to sell GC properties. :)


Ofcourse it is bad, especially if property was given to people's other than TC's! But given the isolation of the North, this was only to be expected. You cant make a country "Illegal" then expect them to act according to the "law", that doesn't recognise them.
How did it ever go so wrong? (& dont say that 18% of the population all of a sudden decided to take on the remainder, in a head to head.) :lol:


If you would like to learn more about the property issue, then read this:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... t=property

And Halil, TCs are welcome to claim their properties in the south. They still hold title deeds to their properties and these deeds are protected by The Republic of Cyprus.

And CanDiaz, the "trnc" is illegal because Turkey invaded the sovereign country of Cyprus and continues it's illegal occupation of 37% of our territory. It ethnically cleansed 160,000 inhabitants from the occupied areas and has changed the demographics of the island by importing 120,000 illegal settlers which constitutes a war crime in itself as it contravenes the Geneva Conventions on occupied territories. The "trnc" is not recognised and is condemned by all , including the UN.


Thanks for link cobber, but considering that the OP of that thread, doesn't know the Equator from his ass hole, ill pass!
I would be interested in a none Cyprus Forum link that would shed some light on this mess.
I also doubt very much that Turkey, one day all of a sudden said " right, looks like good weather to "invade" Cyprus" & then went ahead & did it! Im sure, its not clear cut as you say!
UN condemning you these days don't mean shit, im afraid. They been condemning Israel for decades & zilch.Same thing in Iraq, UN said no, USA & UK said, pff yeah whatever. :lol:


May be this link will suffice.

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/newslette ... 20copy.htm

Have a nice evening cobber.

And may you find the "fair dinkum truth" that you are seeking. :D
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Postby CanDiaz » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:
pythona wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
pythona wrote:
CanDiaz wrote:Ive read about some "abandoned" villages, (i think it was near Polis?!) are all TC property's & lands untouched by any developement or such, as has been claimed in above post's?

Turkish Cypriots left few homes but GCs were forced out leaving many more in the occupied Cyprus. Many GCs' homes were sold by the Turkish, but no Turkish Cypriot homes were sold by GCs in free-Cyprus.

After the Turkish invasion, abandoned Turkish Cypriot properties were taken over by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties, which will return them upon a solution of the political problem.

He reiterated the government line that Turkish Cypriots could claim their property if they permanently settled in the free areas.

“If there are any difficulties or disagreements they could appeal in court against any decision made by the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties,” the spokesman said.

Chrysostomides said the Republic provided shelter to all Turkish Cypriots intending to stay.

Commenting on Turkish actions to bypass the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on the issue of properties, Chrysostomides said there was no possibility the ECHR would accept such an arrangement.

Foreign Minister George Iacovou, who flew to Strasbourg yesterday, confirmed that the Turkish side was trying hard to bypass the ECHR.

Cyprus Mail 15/05/03



The issue we were discussing was the issue of who owns what land in the north. Before 1974, there was a lot of Turkish Cypriot owned land which some have denied or overlook.

The 'illegal' selling of GC land and property is deplorable and does not help the TC cause an Iota. This I agree with. (especially the double dippers).

Thank you for understanding about this selling of GC properties. CanDiaz was also asking about abandoned TC properties which are much less than the many more the GCs had to leave. But thank you again for saying how bad it is for the Turkish to sell GC properties. :)


Ofcourse it is bad, especially if property was given to people's other than TC's! But given the isolation of the North, this was only to be expected. You cant make a country "Illegal" then expect them to act according to the "law", that doesn't recognise them.
How did it ever go so wrong? (& dont say that 18% of the population all of a sudden decided to take on the remainder, in a head to head.) :lol:


If you would like to learn more about the property issue, then read this:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... t=property

And Halil, TCs are welcome to claim their properties in the south. They still hold title deeds to their properties and these deeds are protected by The Republic of Cyprus.

And CanDiaz, the "trnc" is illegal because Turkey invaded the sovereign country of Cyprus and continues it's illegal occupation of 37% of our territory. It ethnically cleansed 160,000 inhabitants from the occupied areas and has changed the demographics of the island by importing 120,000 illegal settlers which constitutes a war crime in itself as it contravenes the Geneva Conventions on occupied territories. The "trnc" is not recognised and is condemned by all , including the UN.


Thanks for link cobber, but considering that the OP of that thread, doesn't know the Equator from his ass hole, ill pass!
I would be interested in a none Cyprus Forum link that would shed some light on this mess.
I also doubt very much that Turkey, one day all of a sudden said " right, looks like good weather to "invade" Cyprus" & then went ahead & did it! Im sure, its not clear cut as you say!
UN condemning you these days don't mean shit, im afraid. They been condemning Israel for decades & zilch.Same thing in Iraq, UN said no, USA & UK said, pff yeah whatever. :lol:


May be this link will suffice.

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/newslette ... 20copy.htm

Have a nice evening cobber.

And may you find the "fair dinkum truth" that you are seeking. :D


Thanks again & sorry for making you hunt around for links for me, mate.
But when i saw that GR was the Original poster, i had to avoid it like the plaque. After all GR(aka oracle?) has a few Roo's loose in the top paddock, to say the least. :wink:
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Postby halil » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:25 pm

have a look at the link ..... lobby what do we accept from it to write .

lobby man looby Greek lobby :twisted:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:27 pm

:lol: :lol:

I can assure you that GR and Oracle are 2 different people.

Every now and then, some people are a couple of stubbies short of a 6 pack. :lol:

I guess sometimes people get frustrated. You must understand that it is easy to let emotions take over, as just about every Cypriot family has suffered in this sorry saga called the Cyprus Problem.

Do you live in Australia by any chance?
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