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[Oracle]

I can't agree there, I think BBF is just a watered down version of separation.

I completely agree with this view of BBF ...

In the same way, the 1960 Constitution was a watered down form of Independence. And any Democracy was so dilute, only Avogadro would detect any ....

[halil]

Truths are hurts !!!!!

no one can change the history ..... above map is one of the truths in Cyprus that you can not change

Just like the truth hurts that your 'TRNC' was built on ethnic cleansing and stolen land. Halil what your promote everyday with your childish articles is immoral and inhumane - truth hurts.

your ones are not inhumane , denying our lands at northern part of the Cyprus and telling us we are stealing your lands which are ours .you are the one who is playing childish game or articles you are trying .
We don't deny that GC's has got land or property in northern part of the Cyprus .
Truth is every properties in Cyprus does not belongs to GC's .They are all well documented when the time comes it can be solved out by agreements .
you calling to those places that were marked at the given map are occupied .I am telling you those marked places at the Northern Part of the island got their freedom after 74 .This is the truth for those places.,
I don't accept occupied term for those places for GC's places you have rights to say they were occupied .
ones more have a look at the enclave TC's areas in Cyprus before 74 and before you say anything .

We all know how TRNC is built up . what incidents are caused they are all truths of the Cyprus problem like TC's villages in north and south.

İf we are talking about ethnic cleansings it applies for both sides .This the Truth also .

The ethnic cleansing between 1963-1974 of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots and Greek military forces.[92]
The ethnic cleansing in 1974-76 of the Greek population of the areas under Turkish military occupation in Cyprus during and after the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus[93].
source :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing

[Magnus]

Not sure what you would like to me express an opinion on but here goes, examples of the issues GCs could derail us on is trade with Turkey, a tax on Turkish tourists. They may claim they will not do anything but you cant expect us to leave it to chance, what have they got to fear if they are not going to go down that route anyway? Their refusal makes us more suspicious.

Sorry, my quote wasn't clear. I meant I would like your opinion on this:

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why can't they devise a system where the Turkish Cypriots get a proportional vote in issues affecting the whole of Cyprus, but an equal vote in decisions that specifically affect the Turkish Cypriot community?

For example, government elections are set up on the principle of '1 man, 1 vote'. People vote for whomever they support.

When the government makes a decision that will specifically affect the Turkish Cypriot community, then power is split 50/50 between the government and something like a Council of Turkish Cypriots selected by the TC community to represent their interests.

[DT.]

Truths are hurts !!!!!

no one can change the history ..... above map is one of the truths in Cyprus that you can not change

Just like the truth hurts that your 'TRNC' was built on ethnic cleansing and stolen land. Halil what your promote everyday with your childish articles is immoral and inhumane - truth hurts.

your ones are not inhumane , denying our lands at northern part of the Cyprus and telling us we are stealing your lands which are ours .you are the one who is playing childish game or articles you are trying .
We don't deny that GC's has got land or property in northern part of the Cyprus .
Truth is every properties in Cyprus does not belongs to GC's .They are all well documented when the time comes it can be solved out by agreements .
you calling to those places that were marked at the given map are occupied .I am telling you those marked places at the Northern Part of the island got their freedom after 74 .This is the truth for those places.,
I don't accept occupied term for those places for GC's places you have rights to say they were occupied .
ones more have a look at the enclave TC's areas in Cyprus before 74 and before you say anything .

We all know how TRNC is built up . what incidents are caused they are all truths of the Cyprus problem like TC's villages in north and south.

İf we are talking about ethnic cleansings it applies for both sides .This the Truth also .

The ethnic cleansing between 1963-1974 of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots and Greek military forces.[92]
The ethnic cleansing in 1974-76 of the Greek population of the areas under Turkish military occupation in Cyprus during and after the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus[93].
source :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing

Well lets look at the cities Halil since they are 90% of the population. Were Kyrenia, Morphou and Famagusta also freed in 74?

[Kikapu]

Truths are hurts !!!!!

no one can change the history ..... above map is one of the truths in Cyprus that you can not change

Just like the truth hurts that your 'TRNC' was built on ethnic cleansing and stolen land. Halil what your promote everyday with your childish articles is immoral and inhumane - truth hurts.

your ones are not inhumane , denying our lands at northern part of the Cyprus and telling us we are stealing your lands which are ours .you are the one who is playing childish game or articles you are trying .
We don't deny that GC's has got land or property in northern part of the Cyprus .
Truth is every properties in Cyprus does not belongs to GC's .They are all well documented when the time comes it can be solved out by agreements .
you calling to those places that were marked at the given map are occupied .I am telling you those marked places at the Northern Part of the island got their freedom after 74 .This is the truth for those places.,
I don't accept occupied term for those places for GC's places you have rights to say they were occupied .
ones more have a look at the enclave TC's areas in Cyprus before 74 and before you say anything .

We all know how TRNC is built up . what incidents are caused they are all truths of the Cyprus problem like TC's villages in north and south.

İf we are talking about ethnic cleansings it applies for both sides .This the Truth also .

The ethnic cleansing between 1963-1974 of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots and Greek military forces.[92]
The ethnic cleansing in 1974-76 of the Greek population of the areas under Turkish military occupation in Cyprus during and after the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus[93].
source :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing

Halil,

Don't get mad now, because I'm just having some fun with you in what you said and what you copy pasted. Don't get mad.

I don't accept occupied term for those places for GC's places

Copy Paste;

The ethnic cleansing in 1974-76 of the Greek population of the areas under Turkish military occupation in Cyprus during and after the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus

Don't get mad Halil, I'm just having a friendly fun with with you.

[Paphitis]

Not sure what you would like to me express an opinion on but here goes, examples of the issues GCs could derail us on is trade with Turkey, a tax on Turkish tourists. They may claim they will not do anything but you cant expect us to leave it to chance, what have they got to fear if they are not going to go down that route anyway? Their refusal makes us more suspicious.

Sorry, my quote wasn't clear. I meant I would like your opinion on this:

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why can't they devise a system where the Turkish Cypriots get a proportional vote in issues affecting the whole of Cyprus, but an equal vote in decisions that specifically affect the Turkish Cypriot community?

For example, government elections are set up on the principle of '1 man, 1 vote'. People vote for whomever they support.

When the government makes a decision that will specifically affect the Turkish Cypriot community, then power is split 50/50 between the government and something like a Council of Turkish Cypriots selected by the TC community to represent their interests.

Looks like VP is avoiding to address this very well put question.

[Magnus]

your ones are not inhumane , denying our lands at northern part of the Cyprus and telling us we are stealing your lands which are ours .you are the one who is playing childish game or articles you are trying .
We don't deny that GC's has got land or property in northern part of the Cyprus .
Truth is every properties in Cyprus does not belongs to GC's .They are all well documented when the time comes it can be solved out by agreements .
you calling to those places that were marked at the given map are occupied .I am telling you those marked places at the Northern Part of the island got their freedom after 74 .This is the truth for those places.,
I don't accept occupied term for those places for GC's places you have rights to say they were occupied .
ones more have a look at the enclave TC's areas in Cyprus before 74 and before you say anything .

We all know how TRNC is built up . what incidents are caused they are all truths of the Cyprus problem like TC's villages in north and south.

İf we are talking about ethnic cleansings it applies for both sides .This the Truth also .

The ethnic cleansing between 1963-1974 of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots and Greek military forces.[92]
The ethnic cleansing in 1974-76 of the Greek population of the areas under Turkish military occupation in Cyprus during and after the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus[93].
source :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing

I'm not sure about using Wikipedia as a valid historical source. I thought anyone can post in those entries. In fact the source for the 'ethnic cleansing of TCs' comes up as a dead link.

Assuming it is acceptable, then what about this entry on the same list:

On 5 and 6 September 1955 the Istanbul Pogrom or "Σεπτεμβριανά" was launched against the Greek population of Constantinople, it was secretly backed by the Turkish government ,some Jews and Armenians of the city were also attacked by the mob , the event contributed greatly to the gradual extinction of the Greek minority in the city and country which numbered 100,000 in 1924 after the Turko-Greek population exchange treaty and only 5000 in 2007 and was followed by the Turkish government planed expulsion of the Greek minority in the Imbros and Tenedos islands in the period 1923-1993

[halil]

DT,
i am talking about enclave TC's areas at north .I am not talking about Morphou or Kyreania . Some part of the Famagusta was freed at 74 also.
thats why before 74 Famagusta of the TC's sector was called Gazi Magosa(Gazi=war veteran, wounded veteran ) because of 63 events .(Magosa or Mağusa also called for Famagusta)

[halil]

your ones are not inhumane , denying our lands at northern part of the Cyprus and telling us we are stealing your lands which are ours .you are the one who is playing childish game or articles you are trying .
We don't deny that GC's has got land or property in northern part of the Cyprus .
Truth is every properties in Cyprus does not belongs to GC's .They are all well documented when the time comes it can be solved out by agreements .
you calling to those places that were marked at the given map are occupied .I am telling you those marked places at the Northern Part of the island got their freedom after 74 .This is the truth for those places.,
I don't accept occupied term for those places for GC's places you have rights to say they were occupied .
ones more have a look at the enclave TC's areas in Cyprus before 74 and before you say anything .

We all know how TRNC is built up . what incidents are caused they are all truths of the Cyprus problem like TC's villages in north and south.

İf we are talking about ethnic cleansings it applies for both sides .This the Truth also .

The ethnic cleansing between 1963-1974 of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots and Greek military forces.[92]
The ethnic cleansing in 1974-76 of the Greek population of the areas under Turkish military occupation in Cyprus during and after the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus[93].
source :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing

I'm not sure about using Wikipedia as a valid historical source. I thought anyone can post in those entries. In fact the source for the 'ethnic cleansing of TCs' comes up as a dead link.

Assuming it is acceptable, then what about this entry on the same list:

On 5 and 6 September 1955 the Istanbul Pogrom or "Σεπτεμβριανά" was launched against the Greek population of Constantinople, it was secretly backed by the Turkish government ,some Jews and Armenians of the city were also attacked by the mob , the event contributed greatly to the gradual extinction of the Greek minority in the city and country which numbered 100,000 in 1924 after the Turko-Greek population exchange treaty and only 5000 in 2007 and was followed by the Turkish government planed expulsion of the Greek minority in the Imbros and Tenedos islands in the period 1923-1993

we are talking about Cyprus . history of the Cyprus .... which started for me at 1960 and up to now .
we are talking about displaced peoples from 63-74 and afterwords ....

[Get Real!]

It seems that Turkish Cypriots lived in their own little world here on Cyprus… they still can’t even get the official names of places right let alone anything else…