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[eracles]

Any ideas on how this will work - the EU stated 'as defined by UN Security Council Resolutions'. Where is the definition? I can't understand how they will have equal status with such a difference in population, and how this will be preferable to partition for the GCs.

Please keep replies on-topic and avoid childish abuse that we've seen a million times in every thread.

[Piratis]

eracles, for as long as Cyprus is divided into "Greek Cyprus" and "Turkish Cyprus" this is by definition partition.

For a BBF solution to be workable, the following should hold true:

1) Both states should be only Cypriot states. Not Greek or Turkish. The only difference between the states should be that in one of them the majority of the population happens to be Greek speaking, and in the other one Turkish speaking. So GCs will "rule" one Cypriot state, and the TCs the other Cypriot state.

2) Power sharing and land distribution should be proportional to population.

[Get Real!]

If the undemocratic London/Zurich arrangements took three years to fall apart, a BBF circus wouldn’t even last three months.

[Nikitas]

As long as we do not have a clear explanation of the details, and the devil is in the details, it is impossible to make sense of this BBF thing.

If, as is the indication, Turkey will have a strong say in what happens in the TC part of the BBF, the Turkish embassy will be the real seat of power. From there it is easy to predict the developments in the north and the attempts to undermine the BBF. One for instance, a settler is elected as President of the TC state and by virtue of the rotating presidency presides over the whole of Cyprus for some part of the presidential term.

Another instance: by virtue of "political equality" the TC state nixes plans to implement a compulsory EU programme on the island. By virtue of "one legal personality" the EU regards the whole of Cyprus as non compliant and imposes one of those fines (has done against Greece and other states often in the past). Then the federal government is caught between the EU, the TCs and the GCs and is efectively paralysed. It will not be able to seek separate consideration for each "component state" since that would be tantamount to asking for partition.

Adopting a cynical approach it is easy to see many scanarios in which Turkey undermines the BBF until partition seems like the most logical "next step". Having the past as a guide the cynical approach is not one that can be discounted. The invasion of 1974 was based on the treaty of establishment which Turkey says is not valid anymore. The operation was meant to restore the 1960 constitution which Turkey refuses to recognise, but invokes when it comes to having troops permanently on Cyprus and the list goes on.

[repulsewarrior]

...please read m y Manifesto.

...where a Federal government is setting a standard through their Legislation which conforms to our recognition as a State, and two National Assemblies to find an expression for ourselves, as Persons, in their application.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

[humanist]

am not sure how I feel about it. After tw years on this forum has made me rethink my views.

[Bananiot]

Yes, I have seen this. You are now a supporter of partition, as long as we get our 78%. Denktash has been calling for this for the last 45 or so years but he will probably not settle for only 18%. Perhaps you will settle for splitting the difference, a typical Middle East practice.

Give them 25% and a state, build a wall and let them view the EU through binoculars. You would be surprised to know how many of our fellow citizens aspire to this solution at the moment.

This has been the greatest achievement of Papadopoulos in his 5 years as President.

[DT.]

Yes, I have seen this. You are now a supporter of partition, as long as we get our 78%. Denktash has been calling for this for the last 45 or so years but he will probably not settle for only 18%. Perhaps you will settle for splitting the difference, a typical Middle East practice.

Give them 25% and a state, build a wall and let them view the EU through binoculars. You would be surprised to know how many of our fellow citizens aspire to this solution at the moment.

This has been the greatest achievement of Papadopoulos in his 5 years as President.

Bananiot, if it was you negotiating with talat right now instead of christofias what would your red lines be?

[Get Real!]

Yes, I have seen this. You are now a supporter of partition, as long as we get our 78%. Denktash has been calling for this for the last 45 or so years but he will probably not settle for only 18%. Perhaps you will settle for splitting the difference, a typical Middle East practice.

Give them 25% and a state, build a wall and let them view the EU through binoculars. You would be surprised to know how many of our fellow citizens aspire to this solution at the moment.

This has been the greatest achievement of Papadopoulos in his 5 years as President.

Bananiot, if it was you negotiating with talat right now instead of christofias what would your red lines be?

Who needs red lines when you can just exchange all the Greek Cypriots on Cyprus with all the Turks from Greece and a few thousand more Anatolians and settle this once and for all! Bananiot really means business DT...

[eracles]

Yes, I have seen this. You are now a supporter of partition, as long as we get our 78%. Denktash has been calling for this for the last 45 or so years but he will probably not settle for only 18%. Perhaps you will settle for splitting the difference, a typical Middle East practice.

Give them 25% and a state, build a wall and let them view the EU through binoculars. You would be surprised to know how many of our fellow citizens aspire to this solution at the moment.

This has been the greatest achievement of Papadopoulos in his 5 years as President.

Bananiot, if it was you negotiating with talat right now instead of christofias what would your red lines be?

Bananiot, I am very interested in your thoughts on how you see it working , especially in terms of what Nikitas was saying...