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[DT.]

btw DT... what do you think my views are?

that you did a genocide - YES. that we deserve equal rights - YES. that turkish army can not leave from cyprus - ABOSOLUTELY YES.

Nothing wrong with those views and believe me many turkish cypriots agree with me. (most) .. if you asked if they want turkish army out of cyprus - 95% would vote NO. because we all was soon as they leave - we wil be done for by the greek cypriots

Your young so i'll try and educate you a little instead of blaming you for stupidity.

Cambridge dictionaries http://dictionary.cambridge.org/

What you suggest happened in 63 to the TC's:

genocide
noun [U]
the murder of a whole group of people, especially a whole nation, race or religious group:

What i say happened to GC's in 74

ethnic cleansing noun [U]
the organized attempt by one racial or political group to completely remove from a country or area anyone who belongs to another particular racial group, using violence and often murder to achieve this

which one of the 2 do you think is more accurate. Now run along now sweetie, I believe Ken's burning in the sun and Barbie needs to apply some more lotion.

[boomerang]

not really... i'm not ''forcing'' anything

also they are thinking of some agreement 650 turkish soldiers, 950 greek soldiers.. to remain in cyprus - i think that's fair.

I will tell you what's fair...you can shove the 650 and the 950 where the sun don't shine...sounds fair to me...

Unlike you, a bitch to the bullshit motherlands I ain't...

[Bananiot]

Back to the basics. This is the declaration after the Christofias - Talat meeting:

The Leaders today had genuine and fruitful discussions, and reviewed the results achieved pursuant to the 21st of March agreement. They reaffirmed their commitment to bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a Federal Government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status. They instructed their representatives to examine, within 15 days, the results of the technical committees. The Representatives will consider civilian and military confidence – building measures. They will also pursue the opening of Limnitis/Yeşilirmak and other crossing points. The Leaders decided to come together again in the second half of June to make a new assessment.

Solution means adopting the above principles. There is no other way about it. We have discussed this so many times. Now, we should wait and see if the Cypriot people (both sides of the divide) can say yes to a new plan encompassing these principles.

[boomerang]

Back to the basics. This is the declaration after the Christofias - Talat meeting:

The Leaders today had genuine and fruitful discussions, and reviewed the results achieved pursuant to the 21st of March agreement. They reaffirmed their commitment to bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a Federal Government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status. They instructed their representatives to examine, within 15 days, the results of the technical committees. The Representatives will consider civilian and military confidence – building measures. They will also pursue the opening of Limnitis/Yeşilirmak and other crossing points. The Leaders decided to come together again in the second half of June to make a new assessment.

Solution means adopting the above principles. There is no other way about it. We have discussed this so many times. Now, we should wait and see if the Cypriot people (both sides of the divide) can say yes to a new plan encompassing these principles.

ate bale...with a handshake, and a fart they gonna turn me into a greek...

Bananiot...if we gonna talk about what is defined by relevant Security Council resolutions, how about the rest of them...or are you gonna pick and chose ala a turkish bazar mentality...

Thats not a solution...a solution is to embrace being a Cypriot...otherwise a pandoras box is gonna open up...

I would prefer north and south states...screw the turkish and greek crap...just like the rest of the world...a federation based on ethnic states ain't gonna work.

and then you come up with this bullshit

Now, we should wait and see if the Cypriot people

either we are greeks and turks, or Cypriots...Bananiot you are one confused puppy...

[Bananiot]

We shall see ...

[Kikapu]

Back to the basics. This is the declaration after the Christofias - Talat meeting:

The Leaders today had genuine and fruitful discussions, and reviewed the results achieved pursuant to the 21st of March agreement. They reaffirmed their commitment to bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a Federal Government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status. They instructed their representatives to examine, within 15 days, the results of the technical committees. The Representatives will consider civilian and military confidence – building measures. They will also pursue the opening of Limnitis/Yeşilirmak and other crossing points. The Leaders decided to come together again in the second half of June to make a new assessment.

Solution means adopting the above principles. There is no other way about it. We have discussed this so many times. Now, we should wait and see if the Cypriot people (both sides of the divide) can say yes to a new plan encompassing these principles.

Bananiot,

Do you support a solution based on your above quote even if it means this, and why:

European Commission has advised Cyprus that reunification which may take the form of a "virgin birth" of two equal states, and not evolution of the existing Republic of Cyprus, will mean the new state will have to submit new EU accession bid

By the way Bananiot, I have to tell you, that I'm very disappointed in you. On two seperate threads where we had a discussion going between us on the Annan Plan and Federation - Confederacy issues, you have not responded to my posts that you were very willing to start out with, but not to finish it.

I feel like being stood-up on a "date" with you.!!

I hope not all your dates get the same treatment.

[humanist]

Who can tell me why this cannot work ........

Two States of Cyprus in the United Federal State of Governement; which basically assumes equal right, right of return unless otherwise desired, North and South State share the govering power the governing power, 50% in the North State regardless of population percentages (Because in effect there will be under the right of return more Greek Cyps in the North and similarly in the south), and there is a 50% share in the Federal Levelperhaps with a vision that by 2020 there will no longer be the socialist party of TC's or the GC's for that matter adn be socialist party of Cyprus.

[boomerang]

We shall see ...

Thats the best you could muster?...see if they can make a racist solution?...ensuring we are bitches to the motherlands for ever?

[Jerry]

This political equality will be a bomb with a slow fuse for Cyprus. The Greek Cypriots will always resent the fact that their votes are worth less than those of a Turkish Cypriot, that proportionately they occupy less of the island and that Turkey still has influence in the State's affairs. Sooner or later there will be a conflict between the component states and the Federation and we will have 1963/64 all over again.

If you want real "virgin birth" ask and international panel of lawyers to draw up a new constitution applying the universally accepted principles of democracy and then ask the EU and UN to enforce it. Guess what, the countries that are mainly to blame for the Cyprus Problem will never allow it to happen, it's not in their interests.

[Viewpoint]

I for one would accept democracy as you described it, and one-man one-vote is common place throughout the world. BUT, and this is where we tend to go round in circles.....

The TC's believe that in a one-man one-vote scenario, we (the TC's) will get shafted each and every time (in decisions that primarily affect the TC community).
Many people have come to this forum and said something like 'but hold, on, with 18-20% of the population you can be a very strong force, you will always be able to influence decisions' etc etc. But the crux of the matter is, the TC's don't believe this will happen. The belief is that voting will primarily be along ethnic lines, and the minorities will lose out each and every time. If you can allay these fears, then a truly acceptable solution will always be within reach.

Each persons priority is different.
Some want their land back so they can move back home. Some would rather have compensations for their land and stay where they are.
Some want all foreign troops to leave, and some would like them to stay.
Some talk of guarantor powers, some say never again.

I for one, am sure that all the above can be resolved to the satisfaction of the majority. But the biggest stumbling block (imo) is the view that one-man one-vote will be used against the TC's each and every time.

I disagree with you 74LB. The only reason people will vote along ethnic lines, if they are divided along ethnic lines. If on the other hand, we have a truly united island, then people will vote on political ideological lines. This is why I would support doing away with all the political parties in Cyprus and form 3 main new ones, the Right, the Centrist and the Left, and let all Cypriots, regardless of their ethnicity belong to who they best align themselves with politically. This is how it works in the rest of the Democratic world. Party members are elected by their local constituents, which means you are going to have TC's and GC's in each and every of the main 3 parties. Therefore you are not going to have 80% V's 20%, but rather you are going to have the Right V's the Centrist V's the Left and all the other small ones which will play important part in forming a coalition.

Can you imagine a GC running for President also has a TC as a vice President, or vise versa. This will also give a good chance for a TC to become a President, elected directly or in the event of GC president leaving office before his time was due for many reasons. If Barak Obama can become the next President of the United States as a black man whose ethnic group make up only 10% of the United states, whose heritage goes back to slavery, then there is absolutely no reason why the TC's can't trust True Democracy. By having 2 states, north and south, and the TC's being the majority in the north in a True Federation, each states will also have certain rights that the Federal Government cannot interfere, as long as they are not in violation of any one's Human and Democratic Rights. The protection of all citizens will be protected by the Federal Government. I'm sorry, but I do not buy this voting by a block to vote anything that will be against the "minorities" in the country by the majority, and lets not forget, that we are also in the EU and not in some third world country for God sake.

What if they do block vote? we cannot leave this to chance just because you think there will not be a problem, there has to be an effective system that will not allow this to happen. Its ok for GCs as they have the upper hand with 80% of the vote which puts us in a very risky situation.

Why don't you give us some examples VP, where the majority voted as a "block" against a minority, when all the political parties colluded with each other to bring harm to one ethnicity over another in this day and age and particularly in the EU club. In the first place, such a move would be against the constitution if such a move would be against someones Human Rights as well as other constitutional rights, so stop blowing hot air in the wind VP. You just hate the idea of True Democracy for Cyprus, plain and simple.

You still choose to avoid answering the real question can the GCs block vote in their own party? a simple YES or NO will do. If you expect us to take this risk then you are more crazy than I thought you were.