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[CopperLine]

This issue is very complex and beyond most members having no expertise in international justice and whichever other related area, so I'd say it’s probably not suitable for debate on this forum…

Get Real I had to pick myself up off the floor after reading this from you. Umit07 had it spot on.

This case exactly mirrors cases brought against TRNC/Republic of Turkey re missing Greek Cypriots. It is wrong in law for the TRNC/Republic of Turkey as a state authority to fail to or inhibit the investigation of missing persons, and it/they can not pass the matter on to a commission or committee. In exactly the same way, the RoC court in this current case is wrong in law to come to the judgement that it is the responsibility of the Missing Person Commission and to absolve the state of responsibility.

Nothing too complex about that is there ? Not an argument beyond your comprehension Get Real is it ?

[CopperLine]

Yes, perhaps I didn't express my sentiments appropriately. I meant to say that I find it a little unfair that one side can (apparently) be held accountable for the missing people while the other side cannot.

Magnus this is really not the case. In principle both sides can be held accountable before international courts. As it happens there have been many more ECHR cases against TRNC/Republic of Turkey than against the RoC. But this numerical difference does not mean that TCs could not/should not pursue cases in RoC courts or against RoC. (Nor does it mean that TCs could not/should not pursue cases in TRNC courts or against RoT in the ECHR).

[Get Real!]

This issue is very complex and beyond most members having no expertise in international justice and whichever other related area, so I'd say it’s probably not suitable for debate on this forum…

Get Real I had to pick myself up off the floor after reading this from you. Umit07 had it spot on.

This case exactly mirrors cases brought against TRNC/Republic of Turkey re missing Greek Cypriots. It is wrong in law for the TRNC/Republic of Turkey as a state authority to fail to or inhibit the investigation of missing persons, and it/they can not pass the matter on to a commission or committee. In exactly the same way, the RoC court in this current case is wrong in law to come to the judgement that it is the responsibility of the Missing Person Commission and to absolve the state of responsibility.

Nothing too complex about that is there ? Not an argument beyond your comprehension Get Real is it ?

Copperline, you struggle with issues that require common sense and you want to have a go at international law with no training?

Apart from Nikitas whose legal expertise I don’t know, I can’t imagine the rest of us contributing anything worthwhile in here, and you have proven this with your amateur attempt. Go back to sleep.

[CopperLine]

Get Real, get a grip. Go on, try to understand the case, try to work out what went on, try to work out the basis of the claim and the basis of the judgement. It is not an issue of 'expertise'; if you're interested in these matters then let your curiosity lead you.

Oh, and don't tell me what I can or cannot attempt to discuss.

[Get Real!]

Get Real, get a grip. Go on, try to understand the case, try to work out what went on, try to work out the basis of the claim and the basis of the judgement. It is not an issue of 'expertise'; if you're interested in these matters then let your curiosity lead you.

Oh, and don't tell me what I can or cannot attempt to discuss.

Are YOU in a position to challenge the High Court’s decision with no expert training and your obvious lack or research? Obviously not...

For starters, did this group of people challenge the right BODY, and in the right COURT, and for the right REASONS? These are the first three fundamental mistakes people make when tackling a complex international issue and most of us here just don’t have the expertise to debate it properly, but if you want to fill up the thread with your hypothetical drivel for Nikitas to have a good laugh be my guest...

[umit07]

Get Real, get a grip. Go on, try to understand the case, try to work out what went on, try to work out the basis of the claim and the basis of the judgement. It is not an issue of 'expertise'; if you're interested in these matters then let your curiosity lead you.

Oh, and don't tell me what I can or cannot attempt to discuss.

Are YOU in a position to challenge the High Court’s decision with no expert training and your obvious lack or research? Obviously not...

For starters, did this group of people challenge the right BODY, and in the right COURT, and for the right REASONS? These are the first three fundamental mistakes people make when tackling a complex international issue and most of us here just don’t have the expertise to debate it properly, but if you want to fill up the thread with your hypothetical drivel for Nikitas to have a good laugh be my guest...

Oh GR , don't tell us what we can or cannot attempt to discuss .
Are YOU in a position to challenge the Turkey/TAF/Denktas/Talat with no expert training and your obvious lack or research? Obviously not...

I is shitin me pants

[Get Real!]

Get Real, get a grip. Go on, try to understand the case, try to work out what went on, try to work out the basis of the claim and the basis of the judgement. It is not an issue of 'expertise'; if you're interested in these matters then let your curiosity lead you.

Oh, and don't tell me what I can or cannot attempt to discuss.

Are YOU in a position to challenge the High Court’s decision with no expert training and your obvious lack or research? Obviously not...

For starters, did this group of people challenge the right BODY, and in the right COURT, and for the right REASONS? These are the first three fundamental mistakes people make when tackling a complex international issue and most of us here just don’t have the expertise to debate it properly, but if you want to fill up the thread with your hypothetical drivel for Nikitas to have a good laugh be my guest...

Oh GR , don't tell us what we can or cannot attempt to discuss .
Are YOU in a position to challenge the Turkey/TAF/Denktas/Talat with no expert training and your obvious lack or research? Obviously not...

I is shitin me pants

Look, this is a court case ALREADY UNDERWAY, that already has decisions being thrown around that most of us here CANNOT challenge as we don’t have the stacks of volumes of reference on international litigation at out disposal, so we are reduced to mere spectators whether we like it or not.

It’s no surprise that nobody has thus far posted anything worthwhile in the thread and that includes your silly responses Teletubbie…

Exactly what I said at the beginning happened...

[DT.]

Its just another case of "having" to go to court here in cyprus in order to proove all local efforts were made before this goes to ECHR.

Its a formality.

[Oracle]

... I is shitin me pants

umit ... kindly stop paraphrasing Ali G ... I may have to youtube again!

[CopperLine]

The emperor has no clothes.

Get Real writes

Look, this is a court case ALREADY UNDERWAY, that already has decisions being thrown around that most of us here CANNOT challenge as we don’t have the stacks of volumes of reference on international litigation at out disposal, so we are reduced to mere spectators whether we like it or not.

When any number of cases - property cases, missing persons cases, compensation cases, law of the sea cases, and goodness knows what else - were underway did Get Real ever raise the objection 'Stop don't discuss this in the forum ! I don't know what I'm talking about' ? No of course he didn't. This latest objection is just garbage.

Who said anything about making a challenge ? This is a red herring. Of course members of a discussion forum can't make a challenge we are not parties to the case ! But we are commentators. And we'll comment on this case with the same degrees of sense or nonsense as we have done with any other case that has been discussed on this forum in the past.

And yes Get Real I do have a legal library to turn to should I need to. And you, to a large extent, have access to a publicly available legal library should you wish to use it (and know how to use it).

I really fail to see that you can have any serious and consistent objection to members of the forum, yourself included, discussing this and any other case.