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[MicAtCyp]

Turkish Cypriot daily AFRIKA newspaper (25.04.05) publishes an article by its editor-in-chief Sener Levent in his column Angle..
Sener Levent comments on messages delivered at the handover ceremony that took place on 24.04.05 where Mr Rauf Denktas has handed-over the so-called presidency to Mr Mehmet Ali Talat. Sener Levent wrote:

Denktas had the same destiny like Dr. Fazil Kucuk

When Turkey told him to `withdraw΄ Denktas withdrew.

Like Dr. Kucuk, Denktas too has said: `I do not act contrary to Motherland΄s interests΄.

The Turkish Chief of the Staff, General Hilmi Ozkok, in order to please Mr Denktas at a last moment attempt has sent a message to him telling him΄:

`You will be remembered in the golden pages of history΄: But the general΄s words were not that much convincing because generals do not write history It is the people who write history If the generals were writing the history, the children hanged during the fascist coups would not have been heroes and the generals who hanged them barbarious.

Neither Spartacus could be a hero, nor Allende, nor Che Guevara..

Is it that easy to be written in the golden pages of history?

Nevertheless, let us leave to the conscience of the historians this history and we deal with what Abdullah Gul had said. He said: `The Turkish Cypriots have nothing to do from this hour on! For him the `ball now was in the Greek Cypriot court΄. That we have done, what we should have done! That we have proved to the world ourselves, that the world knew the realities in Cyprus, that we are the ones who want a settlement and that the Greek Cypriots are the ones who block the solution.

What a big thing we had succeeded. We had become peace-lovers and more pro-solution than the Greek Cypriots, without withdrawing a single Turkish solldier, without opening Varosha, not excavating a single bone from the mass graves, not an inch of territory returning from the 40% of the island΄s territory that we hold. We had become peace lovers and more pro-solution than the Greek Cypriots by plundering the Greek Cypriot property as we pleased, by giving title deeds to Turks and selling them to British and Germans.

For this reason Mr Abdullah Gul is saying: `The Turkish Cypriots have noting to do at this hour΄, that is from now on we can put `for sale΄ on the property that belongs to the Greek Cypriots and enjoy our life.

On top of this Mr Abdullah Gul did not forget to praise us by a big `bravo΄

He had said that the `TRNC΄ could be taken as a world model state We had no doubt at all about this Of course the `TRNC΄ is a model Is there any other state in the world which is under occupation, but it considers itself independent and never complains of the occupation?

The world should consider us as an example!

Those who take the order existing here as example will be very happy! We are world champions in traffic accidents On our roads you can use both left and right hand drive cars. We are willingly sacrificing our lives so that car importers may make nice profits

We are world champions in criminal acts such as stealing, killing and bombing No one has our success of not being able to arrest a single bomber Despite the fact that for every four citizens we have one soldier or a policeman.

The world should take us as example We are champions in court cases, regarding journalists One cannot count how many championships we have It is not possible to include all of them in the narrow column of the paper

In fact, I still think about what the Chief of Staff, General Hilmi Ozkok said`Turkey will use from now on the rights stipulated by the 1960 agreements΄Well what would happen to our rights stipulated under those treaties?

As Turkey it wants to use its rights, why should we as Turkish Cypriots be unable to use our rights?

Is it so because we are a state that should be taken as mode?
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Even the title is enough to laugh.Yasasin re Gul.

[RAFAELLA]

"TRNC" model for the world???
I'd realy like to have an explanation from Mr Gul, what exactly does he mean?
Model for what? Oh! stupid me , now I understand:
Model for violation of human rights, illegal occupation, corruption etc.

I admire Mr Levent who has the guts to speak the truth every time and face all those turkish hypocrites who only see that the sun shines out of their ***.
For me he is a brave man and a real Cypriot.
...and I wonder how he has not been murdered, by MIT, for his beliefs and ideas. The turkish state is used to this tactics.

PS maybe Gul meant to say MOTEL?

[brother]

We could always pretend that the ROC represents the TC interests and none were killed in 1974...ooops that would be the out right lies that Tassos your elected terrorist turned leader tells the world.
First talk to the nut case you elected about his comments before you slate others who are not even lying but just passing over their opinion.

[LANDJO]

I have worked quite a bit with the 'authorities' in the North, and I find them to be well organized and able to accomplish a great deal with limited means. I have not encountered any signs of corruption; in fact, corruption is stronger in the government controlled areas. In this sense, they have a much better profile than Turkey (although not even Chrystosomides can deny the improvements that have taken place during the past four years).

Gül is certainly not unbiased in his view. But the Greek position that the 'TRNC' is a authoritarian bastion of corruption and random violence is far from the truth. I sometimes have the impression that Greek Cypriots I meet have not even visited the North.

[garbitsch]

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/fr ... cyprus.htm

cannedmoose: And it's one of the few American 'freedom monitor' organisations that actually monitors the US itself and highlights concerns... so they deserve some respect.

[MicAtCyp]

Gul is a Turk.When the Turks say the colour of milk is black, some fools start wondering if it really is black. So they go check it and what a surprise man: It is not black it is white. Then the Turk comes back and says you have to look at it with closed eyes.Then some Bananiots go look at it and.... hey the Turks are right. The colour of milk is black!!!

Then they start negotiations with us to define milk as being equally black and equally white.
Equality man!

[brother]

Equality has always been the issue for tc and its what we demand from our co-islanders but the topic here is that the TRNC is maturing into a democratic state(has it work still to do) but its the fact that tassos and co. can not bear to see or hear about it and resort to mud slinging.

I would imagine it to be in the gc interest to see the tc and its so called illegal TRNC become democratic and in line with E.U norms, what the real question is WHY DO THE GC FEAR THIS?

[MicAtCyp]

First talk to the nut case you elected about his comments before you slate others who are not even lying but just passing over their opinion.

So Brother in your opinion the pseudo is a "model state"???

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Landjo

The subject of this thread is whether the pseudo can be considered a "model state" or if you like an example for the rest of the world to follow.
I leave aside the fact that by just working a bit with some authorities you can not really evaluate a system. For your information I also worked in one of the richest countries of the World in the Gulf, which however is a system in which 50% of the wealth goes to royal families and relatives and the rest to the people. Yet every Friday I would see hundreds of beggars in qued outside the palace, waiting to say "Salam Aleikum" to the king, Kiss his hand and get their envelope with money. Wasn’t that strange? Yet I did not sense any corruption or lack of freedoms there....

So tell me Landjo do you consider a system that is based on stealing the homes and lands of 200,000 GCs a model?Do you consider a system that forced almost half the TCs to emmigrate and replaced them by mainland settlers to whom it donated the properties of the GCs a model? Do you consider a system that cannot survive even one week without the economic packs coming from Turkey a model? Do you consider a system in which for every 4 citizens there is one soldier a model?
Yes or No?

Garbitsch,

These are from your own link:

Five days later, Turkey invaded northern Cyprus, seized control of 37 percent of the island, and expelled 200,000 Greeks from the north.

UN resolutions stipulate that Cyprus is a single country in which the northern third is illegally occupied. In 1982, Turkish-controlled Cyprus declared its independence as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), an entity recognized only by Turkey.

Turkey continues to play a strong role in TRNC politics, through both its military presence and its large financial contributions. However, for the 2003 legislative elections, the Turkish government has openly backed away from becoming involved. The 1,000-odd Greek and Marionite Christian residents of the north are disenfranchised,

The criminal code allows the government to jail journalists for what they write, and the government has been hostile to the independent press. For example, it harassed and eventually forced the closure of Avrupa, an opposition paper, for criticizing President Denktash. Two editors from Avrupa’s successor, Afrika, have also been imprisoned for insulting the president. They were each originally sentenced to six months’ jail time, but their sentences were cut to six weeks on appeal and they were freed immediately.

Turkish-Cypriot police, under the control of the Turkish military, sometimes abuse due process rights and civilians are sometimes tried in military courts.

[NickTheGreek]

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/freeworld/2004/countryratings/turkey-cyprus.htm

cannedmoose: And it's one of the few American 'freedom monitor' organisations that actually monitors the US itself and highlights concerns... so they deserve some respect.

*Coughs*

Freedom House deserves respect now? Yep, sure I really respect the bullshit they published about the media being responsible for America's defeat in Vietnam.

As William Blum says:

"In previous reports I've discussed why I thought that the political uprisings in Eastern Europe of the past 18 months, which have resulted in changes of government in Georgia and Ukraine and the potential for the same elsewhere, have not entirely been phenomena of spontaneous combustion. I've pointed out that in each case all or most of the usual American suspects have been involved -- the National Endowment for Democracy (and two of its wings: the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs), the Agency for International Development (AID), George Soros's Open Society organizations, Freedom House, et al."

Or as chomsky points out:

"An excellent illustration of how the ideological institutions operate to buttress the state propaganda system by identifying the media as "hypercritical," so much so as to endanger "free institutions," is provided by a two-volume Freedom House study of the alleged bias and incompetence of the media in portraying the Tet offensive as a defeat for the United States and thus contributing to the failure of U.S. arms by their excessive pessimism. The name "Freedom House" should at once arouse a certain skepticism among people attuned to the machinations of modern propaganda systems, just as any good student of Orwell should have realized that a change in the name of the U.S. War Department to "Defense Department" in 1947 signalled that henceforth the state would be shifting from defense to aggressive war. In fact, "Freedom House" is no less of an Orwellian construction, as its record indicates.
The study in question is in the Freedom House tradition. Contrary to its intentions and stated conclusions, any independent-minded reader should infer from its 1500 pages of text and documents that the media were remarkably loyal to the basic doctrines of the state and tended to view the events of the period strictly from the government's point of view. But these facts, though obvious from the documents cited, completely escaped the author and his Freedom House sponsors; naturally, since they take ordinary press subservience as a norm. What is most striking about the study, apart from its general ineptitude, are the premises adopted without comment throughout: the press is unjustifiably "pessimistic" if it tends to believe that U.S. force may not prevail in "defending South Vietnam," and is "optimistic" if it expresses faith in the ultimate success of U.S. state violence. Pessimism is wrong even if based on fact and in conformity with the views of the Pentagon and CIA (as was often the case, specifically, in the instance in question). Since optimism is demanded irrespective of facts, the implication of this study is that "responsible" media must deliberately lie in order to serve the state in an undeviatingly propagandistic role.
... the intelligentsia have been prone to various forms of state worship, the most striking and significant being subservience to the propaganda systems of their own government and social institutions. This subservience often takes the form of childish credulity that is effectively exploited by the organizations that are devoted to atrocity fabrication and other modes of ideological control. Sometimes the credulity is feigned, as the propagandist knowingly transmits a useful lie"

Fuck 'Freedom' House.

Murderers just like the NED (National Endowment for Democracy).

[garbitsch]

I don't remember saying TRNC is a model state. I am trying to say it is not a kind of state, that you keep depicting. It is a free and democratic state. That website talks about this aswell, which you missed this HUGE part of the evaluation of TRNC. Besides, the T.Cs who had emigrated, had done this so, because of the embargoes, which are recognised by EU. They promised to lift the economic embargoes, but this is another fairy tale.