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[gabaston]

What is diplomatic about invading another country and removing its inhabitants ?

When you honour a signed diplomatic treaty the gives you the right to protect yourself.This diplomatic treaty as all of us know, is the Treaty of Guarantee. Its not micky mouse stuff its deadly serious. Its all too easily overlooked, and its consequences not fully appreciated. Its is there to create some kind of a balance. It is a major stone on which an independent Cyprus was formed.

Let’s put the shoe on the other foot and ask what is diplomatic about not honoring your treaty obligations, and leaving
100,000 tc’s in the hands of Eoka, and probable Enosis.

We of course regret that 200,000 lost homes, but if you were faced with the choice of very possible genocide of gc’s, and very probable Cypriot union with Turkey, what would you have chosen?

And then thirty years later would you be willing to give it back, and risk going through the same thing all over again?

[metecyp]

You have lived in a free democratic society. You have prospered under those conditions. Yet in Cyprus you still insist that you require 'protection' on the false assumption that the GC's want to dominate you politically and culturally.

Your fears are always valid and justified (that's why you can require that not a single Turkish soldier remains on the island after the solution) but TC fears are always invalid and greedy in nature !?!

Cyprus is a unique country with a unique history and a solution will be unique as well. Arguments like "other countries don't have such things" are not valid in my opinion.

It's very misleading when you say "there's a system to satisfy TC needs without harming GC rights"...When did we agree to such a system in this forum? You should say "I made up a system that I believe should satisfy TCs (given their minority status) without harming GC rights"

[MicAtCyp]

There are other things that can be done: removing all
icons from their interior, tearing up their floors and
removing the bells and crosses from them, converting
them into mosques , "cultural centres", "museums" that
GCs can now visit by paying an entrance fee, dance
classes, piano bars or even animal barns.

Heres an example of a beautiful church turned into mosque in your hometown Othellos.

I repeat those who wanted a mosque they should go built their own , not turn our churches into mosques.

[MicAtCyp]

In response I merely pointed out that many modern day
states that are considered free and democratic are also
founded on stolen properties and stolen land - the US
being one prime example (and please do not try an argue
again that the US was largely unihabited. The usa was
and is based on stolen land)

Did they throw out of their houses 250 million people making them refugees? Did they grab their belongings? Did they bring in another 250 million settlers? Did they set a 60 million army (1 ever 4 citizens) to protect them from the refugees?
Erol please don't try to excuse the unexcusable! The world wide event that resembles what Turkey did in Cyprus was the Armenian Genocide. There they exterminated them to take their land and properties, here they took it by exterminating some. Quite an improvement ha?

"News week new work july 64"

I think Othellos spoke specifically before 1963 ?

[Othellos]

O. Every village in South that TCs were inhabitants of had a mosque and some also had shrines pre-74. How many mosques and shrines have you seen in South? 6 or seven? So where's the rest?

Hello insan

I have seen many more Mosques in the free areas and not just 6 or 7. They were all very well maintained, which is good of course - places of worship should always be treated with respect and not like in the pictures of those Churches in the occupied areas that that I posted earlier upon erol's request as well as many others.

Taking care of the building itself is a start but it is certainly not enough. Learning to behave properly and in a civilized / respectful manner in such spaces even when they are of a different religion from our own is just as (if not more) important.

A question: you referred to "mosques and shrines". What is a Muslim Shrine? Can you give me a particular example of one (or more) here in Cyprus?

[garbitsch]

Othellos if you claim this, then you are blind. I've seen mosques in greek side which were so terrible and many of them were locked, so people couldn't get in. The one was in Moutallos, Paphos. The other one was in Poli-Xristofou. The third one was somewhere close to Tahtakale district of Levkosia. I have seen them. Do not teach us how to treat the religious shrines. You just do not treat them all in a very good way!

[gabaston]

What should be done with Churches then?

Is there enough Christian demand to justify paying its upkeep?

Would you have preferred we let it rot?
Turn it into a school? or brothol, or some other religous building?

What have you done with the mosques we left behind, tell us and if we like and can afford it, we'll do the same to the churches here?

[Othellos]

Heres an example of a beautiful church turned into mosque in your hometown Othellos.

Yes, I have seen that one before althought this is the first time I see any interior pictures of it. And I am afraid that it is not the only example of a church converted into a mosque in the occupied areas.

Although I am not what one would describe as a "church person" this kind of stuff that I personally find extremely offensive. One does not need to be overly religious to know how to respect others! The attempt by some members in this forum to "justify" this sort of behaviour is just as provocative.

O.

[Othellos]

Othellos if you claim this, then you are blind. I've seen mosques in greek side which were so terrible and many of them were locked, so people couldn't get in. The one was in Moutallos, Paphos. The other one was in Poli-Xristofou. The third one was somewhere close to Tahtakale district of Levkosia. I have seen them. Do not teach us how to treat the religious shrines. You just do not treat them all in a very good way!

Frankly speaking Garbitsch, I wish that the occupation authorities had kept some of our churches in the north, locked. Then perhaps they would have not been looted or turned into mosques, dance schools and animal barns.

Btw...what kind of a nickname is that?

Gabaston's post is not worth commenting upon for the reaosn that it demonstartes that total lack of respect that I mentioned earlier.

O.

[garbitsch]

Well, you can only get my nickname if you have seen Chaplin's "The Great dictator" and have some info about the German government under Hitler rule. Have you heard of "Goebbels"? The propaganda minister? Garbitsch is his satire version in Chaplin's movie. Basically, this name was chosen since it sounds both "Goebbels" and "Garbage".