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[GorillaGal]

Yep - I understand and appreciate that it's a French company.

My point is that they have huge purchasing power and the ability to work with local producers in any market in which they operate.

If the rational was that they bought the product from France as there was no local equivalent of comparable quality then fair enough.

I get my beef, lamb, pork, chicken etc. from my local butcher. He sources it from the local slaughterhouse. The quality is good.

Are we saying that the local stuff can't compete?

Are they working with the local suppliers to raise the quality or expand the facilities with a long term aim of self sufficiency?

If they're bringing it in from elsewhere then this is lost revenue to the local population.

What's wrong with them sourcing stuff from a closer country?

Surely there's a country(s) closer to here that produces meat.

Simple solution .... don't eat meat ...

If you are past your teens .... it serves no benefit and may even be detrimental for your health ...

Meat production in the first place; is one of the worst environmental polluters (clearing trees for pasture, animal waste, methane production not to mention use of antibiotics) as well as resource-heavy.

If you care about your internal and external environment ... don't eat meat!

well said oracle. again, we agree 100% on something.

[Oracle]

Yep - I understand and appreciate that it's a French company.

My point is that they have huge purchasing power and the ability to work with local producers in any market in which they operate.

If the rational was that they bought the product from France as there was no local equivalent of comparable quality then fair enough.

I get my beef, lamb, pork, chicken etc. from my local butcher. He sources it from the local slaughterhouse. The quality is good.

Are we saying that the local stuff can't compete?

Are they working with the local suppliers to raise the quality or expand the facilities with a long term aim of self sufficiency?

If they're bringing it in from elsewhere then this is lost revenue to the local population.

What's wrong with them sourcing stuff from a closer country?

Surely there's a country(s) closer to here that produces meat.

Simple solution .... don't eat meat ...

If you are past your teens .... it serves no benefit and may even be detrimental for your health ...

Meat production in the first place; is one of the worst environmental polluters (clearing trees for pasture, animal waste, methane production not to mention use of antibiotics) as well as resource-heavy.

If you care about your internal and external environment ... don't eat meat!

well said oracle. again, we agree 100% on something.

Yeah Sister! ....

[natureofcyprus]

Globalisation certainly has its pros and cons.
And companies should not think purely in terms of economics, but also in terms of society and the environment.

The reason I chose bananas as an example was because I had read an article from an international water expert who stated that producing bananas in Cyprus is an irrational use of the country's water resources, as banana is a tropical fruit. Other examples of crops which need far more water that what Cyprus has are citrus.

[cyprusgrump]

Hi Jim,
I agree with you about bigger culprits out there.

This winter ski in the desert in summer was a thing that stood out for me.
Certainly there are many more important environmental problems.

Take care

Back to the topic.

I've been doing some research on the indoor ski-slope in Dubai. The company which owns the facility is Majid Al Futtaim Ltd (MAFL).

MAFL own Dalkia Group which is a major energy provider. The Dalkia Group were responsible for the design, installation and setup of the ski dome.

A press release from the group says that they pioneered technological advances in the design of the dome and that the facility re-uses a massive amount of energy to aid in cooling other parts of the mall which are co-located. The actual energy cost of the facility amounts to only 10% of the energy used by the rest of the mall. They claim that in comparison to other similar facilities they use substantially less energy and at a lower cost.

Check out the ski-dubai and other links on the groups web page at

http://www.dalkia.ae/articles.html

Not sure how much credence to give it and I'd always be prudent with facts and figures from any companies site.

However, on the face of it, they don't appear to be all bad as they keep making year on year energy savings across the group and they have an environmental policy.

Excellent JimB – some real information instead of hysterical knee-jerk reaction!

The reason I have made such a fuss about this is that I’m fed up of environmental campaigners crusading about lifestyle changes we should make based on little or no evidence.

Take this place in Dubai as an example; this was my thought process on it.

I’d doubt if anybody is going to fly all the way there for an indoor skiing venue – if you were in the UK you could go to Milton Keynes instead.

So, it is very much a ‘local’ attraction for people that are already in Dubai or perhaps an extra feature that makes you make your mind up.

I think it was safe to assume from the start that in the extreme conditions of Dubai the place would be extremely well insulated and use the latest technology available to conserve energy. You certainly couldn’t afford for the thousands of tonnes of ‘snow’ you had manufactured to melt of there was an exceptionally hot day.

Also, if the place holds, say 500 people enjoying the skiing, that’s 500 people that aren’t at home or in their offices sitting in front of their own personal air conditioning system because it is so hot outside.

Conversely, thousands of people fly to American and Canadian ski resorts every winter. They rent vast 4 x 4’s, stay in heated hotels and when not skiing, zoom around on snowmobiles. Which is more environmentally unfriendly?

Natureofcyprus has failed to make a case for a boycott on this supposedly environmentally unfriendly indoor ski centre. She has refused to answer my questions regarding comparative leisure activities and whether they should also be banned – sorry, not banned just boycotted.

A typical environmentalist.

[Get Real!]

The American military war machine consumes more oil while spreading death & destruction, than any other entity on earth and all we can do is watch… and the moral of this story is that the world is pathetic!

[Xybadog]

GR, the world is not pathetic, just 95% of inhabitants and 100% of politicians.

[JoJo]

Alot of people are not supporting the local economy be it with food and the majority of other things. That is why I tried to make a point on a similar thread of buying locally instead of the internet. I think alot of the small businesses will go bust in Cyprus. Touch wood though that they don't!

[DT.]

Yep - I understand and appreciate that it's a French company.

My point is that they have huge purchasing power and the ability to work with local producers in any market in which they operate.

If the rational was that they bought the product from France as there was no local equivalent of comparable quality then fair enough.

I get my beef, lamb, pork, chicken etc. from my local butcher. He sources it from the local slaughterhouse. The quality is good.

Are we saying that the local stuff can't compete?

Are they working with the local suppliers to raise the quality or expand the facilities with a long term aim of self sufficiency?

If they're bringing it in from elsewhere then this is lost revenue to the local population.

What's wrong with them sourcing stuff from a closer country?

Surely there's a country(s) closer to here that produces meat.

Simple solution .... don't eat meat ...

If you are past your teens .... it serves no benefit and may even be detrimental for your health ...

Meat production in the first place; is one of the worst environmental polluters (clearing trees for pasture, animal waste, methane production not to mention use of antibiotics) as well as resource-heavy.

If you care about your internal and external environment ... don't eat meat!

well said oracle. again, we agree 100% on something.

Yeah Sister! ....

WHat the Hells wrong with you people????

If you don't like meat just stick to lamb. Why do you want to start having all this green crap for?

[DT.]

On a serious note. How can you miss out on a beautiful Kobe steak or an Argentinian sirloin? Roast Wild Boar, Lamb on spit, HAmburgers, Hot dogs, Sunday Roast,...This isn't food, this is the background music to memorable days with friends and family. You don't sit and carve a Tofu Turkey at Xmas, or an aubergine on spit at easter....etc etc

[cyprusgrump]

On a serious note. How can you miss out on a beautiful Kobe steak or an Argentinian sirloin? Roast Wild Boar, Lamb on spit, HAmburgers, Hot dogs, Sunday Roast,...This isn't food, this is the background music to memorable days with friends and family. You don't sit and carve a Tofu Turkey at Xmas, or an aubergine on spit at easter....etc etc

[drool]