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Why did you quote my comment, when posing your query, then?

[natureofcyprus]

OK.
I am glad that this subject has attracted discussion. That was the purpose of my post. To attract discussion and questioning. I dont believe that there are wise people whose opinion cannot be questioned. We all live to learn and hopefully develop, as individuals and hopefully as societies. And probably there are many truths, not one. It is easy to call people names. It is a lot more difficult to keep your temper and try to argue in a democratic way that respects other people's opinion. Try to listen and try to write statements that have a bit of thinking behind them.

Some people say, yeah, why not have ski slopes in a desert at 45 or 50 degrees of temperature. Others may say, why not create an artificial beach at 35 degrees tempereture, north of Moscow in winter. Russia has loads of oil, so, who not enjoy? These are legitimate arguments, to which one could give a counter argument.

I dont know how much energy is consumed to maintain ski slopes in the desert under a temperature of 45 degrees. It sounds to me that it will be huge. If someone has an answer, I would be happy to hear it. Also, I am against the idea of cooling water in swimming pools. I understand the need for airconditioning, but I think probably this is abused. Natural solutions should be considered more, like bioclimatic designs.

Regarding the use of water from dams, eg from Hoover dam, I believe that many (or probably most) experts have come to realise that water should be used wisely, including water from a huge dam like Hoover.

Maybe a boycot goes too far, but I think that Emirates should receive a message from those of us who agree that winter ski at 45 degrees temperature is too costly for the environment to maintain.

[cyprusgrump]

OK.
I am glad that this subject has attracted discussion. That was the purpose of my post. To attract discussion and questioning. I dont believe that there are wise people whose opinion cannot be questioned. We all live to learn and hopefully develop, as individuals and hopefully as societies. And probably there are many truths, not one. It is easy to call people names. It is a lot more difficult to keep your temper and try to argue in a democratic way that respects other people's opinion. Try to listen and try to write statements that have a bit of thinking behind them.

Some people say, yeah, why not have ski slopes in a desert at 45 or 50 degrees of temperature. Others may say, why not create an artificial beach at 35 degrees tempereture, north of Moscow in winter. Russia has loads of oil, so, who not enjoy? These are legitimate arguments, to which one could give a counter argument.

I dont know how much energy is consumed to maintain ski slopes in the desert under a temperature of 45 degrees. It sounds to me that it will be huge. If someone has an answer, I would be happy to hear it. Also, I am against the idea of cooling water in swimming pools. I understand the need for airconditioning, but I think probably this is abused. Natural solutions should be considered more, like bioclimatic designs.

Regarding the use of water from dams, eg from Hoover dam, I believe that many (or probably most) experts have come to realise that water should be used wisely, including water from a huge dam like Hoover.

Maybe a boycot goes too far, but I think that Emirates should receive a message from those of us who agree that winter ski at 45 degrees temperature is too costly for the environment to maintain.

But you don’t know it is too costly to maintain – you are assuming that the energy used is large…

Before condemning it you need to establish the facts. Then you can compare the energy used in the ski slope to say a bowling alley, Formula One race, football match or other leisure activity. Or perhaps you believe that all energy-consuming leisure activities should be banned and their sponsors boycotted?

You have suggested that this place be closed down based on nothing but guesswork.

[natureofcyprus]

This is no guess work.

It is an assessment based on my studies and work experience (which includes making economic analysis for power plants and heating networks in Siberia). I am not a power engineer, but I have worked closely with some.

For those who do not believe that the ski slopes are using a lot of electricity, let me remind them of blackouts that we faced in Cyprus last summer but also elsewhere (eg in the US) because of the considerable power consumption as a result of increased air conditioning use.

If you recall, I did not suggest forcing the closure of the place down. I proposed to boycot it.

I am in favour of somewhat rational use of resources.

[cyprusgrump]

This is no guess work.

It is an assessment based on my studies and work experience (which includes making economic analysis for power plants and heating networks in Siberia). I am not a power engineer, but I have worked closely with some.

For those who do not believe that the ski slopes are using a lot of electricity, let me remind them of blackouts that we faced in Cyprus last summer but also elsewhere (eg in the US) because of the considerable power consumption as a result of increased air conditioning use.

If you recall, I did not suggest forcing the closure of the place down. I proposed to boycot it.

I am in favour of somewhat rational use of resources.

Ah… not shutdown then… what do you think would happen to it if it were boycotted? And what would be the point of a boycott if it remained open?

I’d be very interested to read your professional assessment of the power consumed by the facility and how it compares to other leisure activities.

[JimB]

let me remind them of blackouts that we faced in Cyprus last summer but also elsewhere (eg in the US) because of the considerable power consumption as a result of increased air conditioning use.

Blackouts in Cyprus? Don't tell me I've got this to look forwards to as well as the water cuts?????

Suffered blackouts in Johannesburg (though they use the rather less intimidating term 'load shedding' over there). Not nice.

Back to the topic.

I wouldn't boycott a place because of an indoor ski-slope.

That would be like boycotting Cyprus because it didn't have a mass passenger transit system which in turn forces people to use extremely polluting cars ....

[dms007]

I think JimB has a point.
NatureofCyprus has to look at Cyprus first before looking at what is happening in Dubai or elsewhere.
I bet NatureofCyprus has got a couple of gas guzzling monsters and drive it all the time all around like everyone else in Cyprus.
Should the tourists who throng to Cyprus boycott Cyprus because there is no public transport here and and no one gives a damn about it?
Someone said to remove the beam from one's eye before you could remove the speak from someone else's eye.
What a bunch of hypocrites.

[cyprusgrump]

let me remind them of blackouts that we faced in Cyprus last summer but also elsewhere (eg in the US) because of the considerable power consumption as a result of increased air conditioning use.

Blackouts in Cyprus? Don't tell me I've got this to look forwards to as well as the water cuts?????

Suffered blackouts in Johannesburg (though they use the rather less intimidating term 'load shedding' over there). Not nice.

Back to the topic.

I wouldn't boycott a place because of an indoor ski-slope.

That would be like boycotting Cyprus because it didn't have a mass passenger transit system which in turn forces people to use extremely polluting cars ....

Precisely…

[Xybadog]

I don't get this...Why boycott Emirates? Are they the sole designers, financiers and owners of the aforementioned ski slope? If not, why boycott them?
Are we going to boycott British Airways for flying to China, using the Human Rights Trump card? Or, possibly, say no to Kuoni for supplying holidays to India, where child labour is exploited? What about boycotting adventure tour operators for providing holidays to South America where the majority of the worlds hardest drugs are grown and manufactured and exported from to wreak havoc aroung the world?
If we carry on, the only place anyone of us will be going on holiday to in the future, because we've boycotted all other options, is to the Isle of Wight.
It's not their oil, as previously posted, but the worlds oil and we should all have equal rights to it. Unfortunately we don't. Nothing you, me or tomorrows generation can do about it. It's an unfortunate fact of life. One I don't particularly like but hey, shit happens!!

[GorillaGal]

start at home. i saw lots of garbage strewn around otherwise beautiful landscapes while in CY....
and every airline pollutes, and i heard that CY is on the up and up as far as polluting the environment. work on that before you start condeming others.