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[Get Real!]

VP, I don’t know what you’re barking about… you were one of the three who rejected their rights in the poll!

Which was a forgone conclusion when allowing for the fanatics in the GC community, you were asking us to sign our own death warrant, thanks but no thanks we wanted to live.

I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to share an island with the likes of Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle, Sotos, and GR...

You can add Kikapu to that list as well, I wouldnt share the time with these people let alone a country, they would stab me in the back the first opportunity they got and them blame me for making them do it.

Just to show how much I care I went a bought you a dingy but you'll have to hurry VP... oh, and make sure this compass keeps pointing to "N"... So long VP... ...take care...

[Viewpoint]

VP, I don’t know what you’re barking about… you were one of the three who rejected their rights in the poll!

Which was a forgone conclusion when allowing for the fanatics in the GC community, you were asking us to sign our own death warrant, thanks but no thanks we wanted to live.

I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to share an island with the likes of Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle, Sotos, and GR...

You can add Kikapu to that list as well, I wouldnt share the time with these people let alone a country, they would stab me in the back the first opportunity they got and them blame me for making them do it.

Just to show how much I care I went a bought you a dingy but you'll have to hurry VP... oh, and make sure this compass keeps pointing to "N"... So long VP... ...take care...

I have a better idea, why dont you use your own dingy over your head and shove the compass up your arse where all your best ideas come from.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, it is time for you to accept that compromise is the key. We have made a lot of compromises from our rights already. What compromises did you make? Stealing 100 and giving 10 back and asking for 50 in return is not a compromise. I hope you understand this.

Not only you do not make any compromises, but you are asking from us to compromise even our basic human rights and democracy!!

You stole our country and burned down our houses killing our people, and turning our people into refugees, where were your cries for democracy, freedom and equality back then?? your double standards when the shoe is on the other foot does not instill any confidence and therefore you have to be forced to compromise to a degree where you will not be able to push us to on side as you did in the past. We cannot steal what is already ours and much to your dismay Cyprus also belongs to us. We are willing to compromise by forsaking our safe haven and forming a partnership which you renegged on before, you didnt even abide by supreme court judgements whats makes you think that you will stick to any new agreements? You are the ones who took 100% of our recognition just giving back our rights is not a compromise its our right, you forget this as it does not suit your agenda.

We didn't steal anything from you. Any losses that you had is in wars which you started against us. You started those wars against us exactly because you wanted to deny to the Cypriot people democracy, freedom and equality, killing 1000s of Cypriots in the process, and then you complain because in the conflicts which you started you also had some 100s of casualties?

And no, giving to you the 18% of power share that your minority is entitled to is not a compromise from our side. Similarly you giving us back our own lands is not a compromise from your side.

But accepting that Cyprus will not be part of Greece, is a right we have compromised. Accepting that your minority can have some veto rights is also a compromise. Accepting that your minority can rule 18% of this island and have some autonomy within it, is again a compromise from our side since we are the legal majority of the whole island.

What compromises have you made? All you do is asking for gains on our loss and you compromise nothing.

[Piratis]

VP, I don’t know what you’re barking about… you were one of the three who rejected their rights in the poll!

Which was a forgone conclusion when allowing for the fanatics in the GC community, you were asking us to sign our own death warrant, thanks but no thanks we wanted to live.

I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to share an island with the likes of Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle, Sotos, and GR...

They didn't come with the intention to share anything. They came with the intention of being the absolute rulers and sharing nothing with the native population.

Sharing is something they remembered only 50 years ago when colonialism was coming to an end and people were entitled to democracy and their freedom. But even then they still didn't want to share fairly and proportionately, but they wanted for themselves a way bigger share than what belongs to their 18% minority. This is because the UK and Turkey promised to them they can have their greedy dreams fulfilled if they helped them to keep their troops on our island. And thats exactly what they did.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, it is time for you to accept that compromise is the key. We have made a lot of compromises from our rights already. What compromises did you make? Stealing 100 and giving 10 back and asking for 50 in return is not a compromise. I hope you understand this.

Not only you do not make any compromises, but you are asking from us to compromise even our basic human rights and democracy!!

You stole our country and burned down our houses killing our people, and turning our people into refugees, where were your cries for democracy, freedom and equality back then?? your double standards when the shoe is on the other foot does not instill any confidence and therefore you have to be forced to compromise to a degree where you will not be able to push us to on side as you did in the past. We cannot steal what is already ours and much to your dismay Cyprus also belongs to us. We are willing to compromise by forsaking our safe haven and forming a partnership which you renegged on before, you didnt even abide by supreme court judgements whats makes you think that you will stick to any new agreements? You are the ones who took 100% of our recognition just giving back our rights is not a compromise its our right, you forget this as it does not suit your agenda.

We didn't steal anything from you. Any losses that you had is in wars which you started against us. You started those wars against us exactly because you wanted to deny to the Cypriot people democracy, freedom and equality, killing 1000s of Cypriots in the process, and then you complain because in the conflicts which you started you also had some 100s of casualties?

And no, giving to you the 18% of power share that your minority is entitled to is not a compromise from our side. Similarly you giving us back our own lands is not a compromise from your side.

But accepting that Cyprus will not be part of Greece, is a right we have compromised. Accepting that your minority can have some veto rights is also a compromise. Accepting that your minority can rule 18% of this island and have some autonomy within it, is again a compromise from our side since we are the legal majority of the whole island.

What compromises have you made? All you do is asking for gains on our loss and you compromise nothing.

So you had no intention of sticking to agreements which you signed on the world stage, it was all a farce to get to where you wanted a TC free Greek island.

1960 agreements was a chance at building a united Cyprus with one people but your hot headed ambitions to gift Cyprus to Greece ruined everything, the power you were denied via the agreements you tried to get to by not adhering to supreme court judgements and kicking the TCs out of government at gunpoint then trying to impose constitutional changes which would have opened the way for you to unite with Greece with or without the TCs whose fate would have been in your hands.

You really need a dose of reality and meeting those TCs who lived through your aggression during the times would be a life changing experience for you Piratis, I suggest you try to do this and further your knowledge of TCs were discriminated against and how we were left to suffer being taunted by the chants of the Turks will never arrive to save you, do you remember the songs on the radio? Where were you then, why weren't you applying democracy and human rights for all back then? You only raise these issues now you have lost out on 37% of the island. Well Piratis unless there is a structure in place that guarantees you cannot push us to one side ever again we are not interested in gifting you all the island, we will not become just another minority in GC island we have community rights and we will defend them to the end, so the day you wise up and accept us as 2 equal partners is the day you will make progress otherwise viva la TRNC recognized or not its home.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, it is time for you to accept that compromise is the key. We have made a lot of compromises from our rights already. What compromises did you make? Stealing 100 and giving 10 back and asking for 50 in return is not a compromise. I hope you understand this.

Not only you do not make any compromises, but you are asking from us to compromise even our basic human rights and democracy!!

You stole our country and burned down our houses killing our people, and turning our people into refugees, where were your cries for democracy, freedom and equality back then?? your double standards when the shoe is on the other foot does not instill any confidence and therefore you have to be forced to compromise to a degree where you will not be able to push us to on side as you did in the past. We cannot steal what is already ours and much to your dismay Cyprus also belongs to us. We are willing to compromise by forsaking our safe haven and forming a partnership which you renegged on before, you didnt even abide by supreme court judgements whats makes you think that you will stick to any new agreements? You are the ones who took 100% of our recognition just giving back our rights is not a compromise its our right, you forget this as it does not suit your agenda.

We didn't steal anything from you. Any losses that you had is in wars which you started against us. You started those wars against us exactly because you wanted to deny to the Cypriot people democracy, freedom and equality, killing 1000s of Cypriots in the process, and then you complain because in the conflicts which you started you also had some 100s of casualties?

And no, giving to you the 18% of power share that your minority is entitled to is not a compromise from our side. Similarly you giving us back our own lands is not a compromise from your side.

But accepting that Cyprus will not be part of Greece, is a right we have compromised. Accepting that your minority can have some veto rights is also a compromise. Accepting that your minority can rule 18% of this island and have some autonomy within it, is again a compromise from our side since we are the legal majority of the whole island.

What compromises have you made? All you do is asking for gains on our loss and you compromise nothing.

So you had no intention of sticking to agreements which you signed on the world stage, it was all a farce to get to where you wanted a TC free Greek island.

1960 agreements was a chance at building a united Cyprus with one people but your hot headed ambitions to gift Cyprus to Greece ruined everything, the power you were denied via the agreements you tried to get to by not adhering to supreme court judgements and kicking the TCs out of government at gunpoint then trying to impose constitutional changes which would have opened the way for you to unite with Greece with or without the TCs whose fate would have been in your hands.

You really need a dose of reality and meeting those TCs who lived through your aggression during the times would be a life changing experience for you Piratis, I suggest you try to do this and further your knowledge of TCs were discriminated against and how we were left to suffer being taunted by the chants of the Turks will never arrive to save you, do you remember the songs on the radio? Where were you then, why weren't you applying democracy and human rights for all back then? You only raise these issues now you have lost out on 37% of the island. Well Piratis unless there is a structure in place that guarantees you cannot push us to one side ever again we are not interested in gifting you all the island, we will not become just another minority in GC island we have community rights and we will defend them to the end, so the day you wise up and accept us as 2 equal partners is the day you will make progress otherwise viva la TRNC recognized or not its home.

VP, the Cypriots never attacked you. We never ventured out of our island to harm any Turks. You are the ones who came here with the sole purpose to enslave and exploit us, and that is what you did for a long time.

In 1960 you collaborated with British and Turks in order to force on the Cypriot people unfair and undemocratic agreements. Our role as Cypriots is not to be forced to sign somehting produced by British and Turks, our role is to decide for our own island in a democratic way among the legitimate options.

All we ever did was to revolt against our foreign oppressors and ask for what is right: Democracy and human rights. This is what we do today as well.

All the conflicts between us happened exactly because you did not accept democracy and human rights, but you instead wanted to force on us your rule.

It is funny when you came here pretending to be the victim, when in fact you are the aggressor invader, you are the ones who started all wars, and you have killed 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots. Yes, in the conflicts which you started you also had some 100s of losses. Does that make you the victim?

Today we again ask for what we always asked: Democracy and human rights. And you today deny these right to us as you have always done, and you instead choose war by keeping under illegal occupation our lands. Tell me VP, if after we exhaust all peaceful means to gain democracy and human rights, we are forced to revolt again, and in our revolution you also have some losses, will you again blame us for it?

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, it is time for you to accept that compromise is the key. We have made a lot of compromises from our rights already. What compromises did you make? Stealing 100 and giving 10 back and asking for 50 in return is not a compromise. I hope you understand this.

Not only you do not make any compromises, but you are asking from us to compromise even our basic human rights and democracy!!

You stole our country and burned down our houses killing our people, and turning our people into refugees, where were your cries for democracy, freedom and equality back then?? your double standards when the shoe is on the other foot does not instill any confidence and therefore you have to be forced to compromise to a degree where you will not be able to push us to on side as you did in the past. We cannot steal what is already ours and much to your dismay Cyprus also belongs to us. We are willing to compromise by forsaking our safe haven and forming a partnership which you renegged on before, you didnt even abide by supreme court judgements whats makes you think that you will stick to any new agreements? You are the ones who took 100% of our recognition just giving back our rights is not a compromise its our right, you forget this as it does not suit your agenda.

We didn't steal anything from you. Any losses that you had is in wars which you started against us. You started those wars against us exactly because you wanted to deny to the Cypriot people democracy, freedom and equality, killing 1000s of Cypriots in the process, and then you complain because in the conflicts which you started you also had some 100s of casualties?

And no, giving to you the 18% of power share that your minority is entitled to is not a compromise from our side. Similarly you giving us back our own lands is not a compromise from your side.

But accepting that Cyprus will not be part of Greece, is a right we have compromised. Accepting that your minority can have some veto rights is also a compromise. Accepting that your minority can rule 18% of this island and have some autonomy within it, is again a compromise from our side since we are the legal majority of the whole island.

What compromises have you made? All you do is asking for gains on our loss and you compromise nothing.

So you had no intention of sticking to agreements which you signed on the world stage, it was all a farce to get to where you wanted a TC free Greek island.

1960 agreements was a chance at building a united Cyprus with one people but your hot headed ambitions to gift Cyprus to Greece ruined everything, the power you were denied via the agreements you tried to get to by not adhering to supreme court judgements and kicking the TCs out of government at gunpoint then trying to impose constitutional changes which would have opened the way for you to unite with Greece with or without the TCs whose fate would have been in your hands.

You really need a dose of reality and meeting those TCs who lived through your aggression during the times would be a life changing experience for you Piratis, I suggest you try to do this and further your knowledge of TCs were discriminated against and how we were left to suffer being taunted by the chants of the Turks will never arrive to save you, do you remember the songs on the radio? Where were you then, why weren't you applying democracy and human rights for all back then? You only raise these issues now you have lost out on 37% of the island. Well Piratis unless there is a structure in place that guarantees you cannot push us to one side ever again we are not interested in gifting you all the island, we will not become just another minority in GC island we have community rights and we will defend them to the end, so the day you wise up and accept us as 2 equal partners is the day you will make progress otherwise viva la TRNC recognized or not its home.

VP, the Cypriots never attacked you. We never ventured out of our island to harm any Turks. You are the ones who came here with the sole purpose to enslave and exploit us, and that is what you did for a long time.

In 1960 you collaborated with British and Turks in order to force on the Cypriot people unfair and undemocratic agreements. Our role as Cypriots is not to be forced to sign somehting produced by British and Turks, our role is to decide for our own island in a democratic way among the legitimate options.

All we ever did was to revolt against our foreign oppressors and ask for what is right: Democracy and human rights. This is what we do today as well.

All the conflicts between us happened exactly because you did not accept democracy and human rights, but you instead wanted to force on us your rule.

It is funny when you came here pretending to be the victim, when in fact you are the aggressor invader, you are the ones who started all wars, and you have killed 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots. Yes, in the conflicts which you started you also had some 100s of losses. Does that make you the victim?

Today we again ask for what we always asked: Democracy and human rights. And you today deny these right to us as you have always done, and you instead choose war by keeping under illegal occupation our lands. Tell me VP, if after we exhaust all peaceful means to gain democracy and human rights, we are forced to revolt again, and in our revolution you also have some losses, will you again blame us for it?

We have covered this time and time again so I will not go into depth, what you forget is that we are not outsiders, we are off this island just like you no more no less, you were the ones who wanted to gift the island which started all the problems, you attacked us and discriminated against us luckily people still exists to tell of what they suffered at the hands of your version of democracy and human rights, you should meet some of these people, only then will you have an understanding of the damage which you GCs have inflicted on TCs. I am lucky enough to have not suffered at the hands of fanatical GCs but I still approach any union with caution because you are the kings at never accepting any responsibility for causing the Cyprus problem all blaming all and sundry. We fought back for survival and will fight back again if we have to this you can be assured of. You really need to understand is that we are no different from you but we need reassurances that the GCs as we know them are manipulative, devious and very industrious at getting what they want with or without their partners just as long as they have what they want the way the want it, the safeguards to prevent this are paramount to any solution that will be placed on the table.

[Piratis]

Has Bananiot voted in the poll or not yet?

[repulsewarrior]

vp, on this post I can entirely agree with what you say,

"We have covered this time and time again so I will not go into depth, what you forget is that we are not outsiders, we are off this island just like you no more no less, you were the ones who wanted to gift the island which started all the problems, you attacked us and discriminated against us luckily people still exists to tell of what they suffered at the hands of your version of democracy and human rights, you should meet some of these people, only then will you have an understanding of the damage which you GCs have inflicted on TCs. I am lucky enough to have not suffered at the hands of fanatical GCs but I still approach any union with caution because you are the kings at never accepting any responsibility for causing the Cyprus problem all blaming all and sundry. We fought back for survival and will fight back again if we have to this you can be assured of. You really need to understand is that we are no different from you but we need reassurances that the GCs as we know them are manipulative, devious and very industrious at getting what they want with or without their partners just as long as they have what they want the way the want it, the safeguards to prevent this are paramount to any solution that will be placed on the table."

I too demand of us that courage which requires that we distinguish ourselves for the betterment of the, Human, condition.

Nothing will mean an end to this Problem unless we commit ourselves to the reform of our Constitution in a manner where the Principal of Bicommunality can be demonstrated to the rest of Mankind, where it is useful to our lives. This does not mean compromise, it means conviction, and a change within ourselves. Blame, and who started "it" has nothing to do with the Solution. Reason, and the Cypriot dimension to this impasse are paramount. As Turkish Cypriots, and Greek Cypriots, we must show ourselves, and the rest of the world, to have Charity, and the Humility to look forward, beyond our own living, as the island's dwellers, as its Stewards, as a people who have survived here for millenia, close to the land, above our own desires to represent our own history as "Greek", or Turcophone.

...i know what you think about enclaves, and my proposal for their use, so that whole communities can return, in the south, as in the north. vp, i strongly suggest that you consider how politically this helps Turkish Cypriots in a National Assembly and their own diversity amongst themselves. consider as well how the line will remain basically unchanged no longer a border but a frontier, consider how this "pocketing" of the whole island makes our lives more secure, with greater movement and association, and with more choice...

To have Justice, it must be seen to be done. Neither "side" is blameless, all of us have suffered, yet it is still up to us to sacrifice again, without which, we betray ourselves.

[Viewpoint]

vp, on this post I can entirely agree with what you say,

"We have covered this time and time again so I will not go into depth, what you forget is that we are not outsiders, we are off this island just like you no more no less, you were the ones who wanted to gift the island which started all the problems, you attacked us and discriminated against us luckily people still exists to tell of what they suffered at the hands of your version of democracy and human rights, you should meet some of these people, only then will you have an understanding of the damage which you GCs have inflicted on TCs. I am lucky enough to have not suffered at the hands of fanatical GCs but I still approach any union with caution because you are the kings at never accepting any responsibility for causing the Cyprus problem all blaming all and sundry. We fought back for survival and will fight back again if we have to this you can be assured of. You really need to understand is that we are no different from you but we need reassurances that the GCs as we know them are manipulative, devious and very industrious at getting what they want with or without their partners just as long as they have what they want the way the want it, the safeguards to prevent this are paramount to any solution that will be placed on the table."

I too demand of us that courage which requires that we distinguish ourselves for the betterment of the, Human, condition.

Nothing will mean an end to this Problem unless we commit ourselves to the reform of our Constitution in a manner where the Principal of Bicommunality can be demonstrated to the rest of Mankind, where it is useful to our lives. This does not mean compromise, it means conviction, and a change within ourselves. Blame, and who started "it" has nothing to do with the Solution. Reason, and the Cypriot dimension to this impasse are paramount. As Turkish Cypriots, and Greek Cypriots, we must show ourselves, and the rest of the world, to have Charity, and the Humility to look forward, beyond our own living, as the island's dwellers, as its Stewards, as a people who have survived here for millenia, close to the land, above our own desires to represent our own history as "Greek", or Turcophone.

...i know what you think about enclaves, and my proposal for their use, so that whole communities can return, in the south, as in the north. vp, i strongly suggest that you consider how politically this helps Turkish Cypriots in a National Assembly and their own diversity amongst themselves. consider as well how the line will remain basically unchanged no longer a border but a frontier, consider how this "pocketing" of the whole island makes our lives more secure, with greater movement and association, and with more choice...

To have Justice, it must be seen to be done. Neither "side" is blameless, all of us have suffered, yet it is still up to us to sacrifice again, without which, we betray ourselves.

A 2 state solution under a Federal umbrella is the only way forward, the last 3 years on this forum has taught me that GCs only have one aim and that is a unitary state with GCs as the indigenous people and we are the foreigners and minority, well we ain't never gonna let that happen, we will use all means to stop you in your tracks and will only accept a solution that give us a choice to live either with TCs or GCs and a level playing field for all.