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[Piratis]

Piratis you keep on saying the same stuff over and over again. It's gettıng boring you sound like a bot.

Classic "Piratis" quotes:

* You invaded us and killed us
*20,000 nicosian were slain blah blah blah
*We never left the island to attack anyone
*YOu violate out human rights
* Ah and the video you keep posting with Denktas where you claim he admits to setting off a bomb in front of the Turkish consulate. He only says that TC's presumed that GC's did it .

I am saying the truth over and over.

We never asked for anything more than our rights: Freedom, democracy and self-determination on our own island.

When these rights were not given to us, we occasionally revolted against our oppressors. The same holds true today.

It is really funny when you are trying to blame the oppressed people because they revolt seeking their rights, instead of blaming the foreign oppressors who use brute force in order to impose their rule over us! It is like those that blame the Palestinians and call them "terrorists" because they fight against the occupation of their territories, or those that call the Kurds terrorists because they fight for their rights and their self-determination in their own country, Kurdistan. Or to blame the Tibetans because they dare to fight for their freedom (even Bananiot will agree with the last one, since it doesn't go against the interests of his Turkish or AngloAmerican masters)

Ashoyle, Piratis, as simple as this. Two and two make four.

P.S. I suppose our problems began when the Greeks invaded us at around 1 400 BC.

Bananiot, I see the older you get the more Turkish crap which are unrelated with the historical facts you adopt.

When Greeks came to Cyprus my friend the island was mostly uninhabited, and the Greeks who came here were merchants (not soldiers of an empire) who came and created their new cities on uninhabited land. The same did the Phonecians and some others who settled on the island during that era.

But tell us Bananiot, why are you a shameless acceptionist? Why do you accept if some so called "solution" is based on things like ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations and segregation? Of course the Turks accept and want those things because they would gain on our loss. But why do you accept them? To be likable by those who totally disrespect us?

[Oracle]

Obedience to Authority

The experiment by Stanley Milgram

Stanley Milgram, a psychologist at Yale University, conducted a study focusing on the conflict between obedience to authority and personal conscience. He examined justifications for acts of genocide offered by those accused at the World War II, Nuremberg War Crimes trials. Their defence often was based on "obedience" - - that they were just obeying orders whilst under the authority of their superiors.
The experiment began in July 1961, a year after the trial of Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised the experiment to answer the question "Could it be that Eichmann, and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"

The results of the study were made known in Milgram's Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View (1974).

So-called "teachers" (who were actually the unknowing subjects of the experiment) were recruited by Milgram in response to a newspaper ad offering $4.50 for one hour's work. Individual subjects thus recruited turned up to take part in a Psychology experiment investigating memory and learning at Linsly-Chittenden Hall on Yale University's old campus. He or she was introduced to a stern looking experimenter in a white coat and to a rather pleasant and friendly co-subject who was also presumably recruited via the newspaper ad. The experimenter explained that one subject would be assigned the role of "teacher" and the other would be assigned the role of "learner."

Two slips of paper marked "teacher" were handed to the subject and to the co-subject. The co-subject was actually an actor who, in posing as a subject to the experiment, subsequently claimed that his slip said "learner" such that the unknowing subject was inevitably led to believe that his role as "teacher" had been chosen randomly.
Both learner and teacher were then given a sample 45-volt electric shock from an apparatus attached to a chair into which the "actor-learner" was to be strapped. The fictitious story given to the "teachers" was that the experiment was intended to explore the effects of punishment for incorrect responses on learning behavior.

A succession of unknowing subjects in their roles as teacher were given simple memory tasks in the form of reading lists of two word pairs and asking the "learner" to read them back and were instructed to administer a shock by pressing a button each time the learner made a mistake. It was understood that the electric shocks were to be of increased by 15 volts in intensity for each mistake the "learner" made during the experiment.

The shock generator that the "teacher" was told to operate had 30 switches in 15 volt increments, each switch was labeled with a voltage ranging from 15 up to 450 volts. Each switch also had a rating, ranging from "slight shock" to "danger: severe shock". The final two switches being labeled "XXX". The experiment was conducted in a scenario where the "learner" was in another room but the "teacher" was made aware of the "actor-learner's" discomfort by poundings on the wall.
No further shocks were actually delivered - the "teacher" was not aware that the "learner" in the study was actually an actor who was intended, by the requirements of the experiment, to use his talents to indicate increasing levels of discomfort as the "teacher" administered increasingly severe electric shocks in response to the mistakes made by the "learner".

The experimenter was present in the same room as the "teacher" and whenever "teachers" asked whether increased shocks should be given he or she was verbally encouraged by the experimenter to continue. In this scenario 65% of the "teachers" obeyed orders to punish the learner to the very end of the 450-volt scale! No subject stopped before reaching 300 volts!

At times, the worried "teachers" questioned the experimenter, asking who was responsible for any harmful effects resulting from shocking the learner at such a high level. Upon receiving the answer that the experimenter assumed full responsibility, teachers seemed to accept the response and continue shocking, even though some were obviously extremely uncomfortable in doing so.

In an article entitled "The Perils of Obedience" (1974) Stanley Milgram wrote:-

"Before the experiments, I sought predictions about the outcome from various kinds of people -- psychiatrists, college sophomores, middle-class adults, graduate students and faculty in the behavioral sciences. With remarkable similarity, they predicted that virtually all the subjects would refuse to obey the experimenter. The psychiatrist, specifically, predicted that most subjects would not go beyond 150 volts, when the victim makes his first explicit demand to be freed. They expected that only 4 percent would reach 300 volts, and that only a pathological fringe of about one in a thousand would administer the highest shock on the board".

The Obedience to Authority experiment was continued by Milgram over a number of other scenarios such as where the "learner" could indicate discomfort by way of voice feedback - at "150 volts", the "actor-learner" requested that the experiment end, and was consistently told by the experimenter that - "The experiment requires that you continue. Please go on." or similar words. In this scenarion the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum 450 volts dropped slightly to 62.5%


Where the experiment was conducted in a nondescript office building rather than within the walls of a prestigiously ornate hall on Yale's old campus the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum voltage dropped to 47.5%.

Where the "teacher" had to physically place the "learner's" hand on a "shock plate" in order to give him shocks above 150 volts the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum voltage dropped to 30.0% and where the "experimenter" was at end of a phone line rather than being in the same room the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer 450 volts dropped to 20.5% and where the "teacher" could himself nominate the shock level the percentage of subjects who were prepared to continue to the end of the scale dropped to 2.5%

Milgram summed up his findings in relation to the main experiment in "The Perils of Obedience" (1974):-

"The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous import, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation."



From: "Age of the Sage"

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, it is time for you to accept that compromise is the key. We have made a lot of compromises from our rights already. What compromises did you make? Stealing 100 and giving 10 back and asking for 50 in return is not a compromise. I hope you understand this.

Not only you do not make any compromises, but you are asking from us to compromise even our basic human rights and democracy!!

You stole our country and burned down our houses killing our people, and turning our people into refugees, where were your cries for democracy, freedom and equality back then?? your double standards when the shoe is on the other foot does not instill any confidence and therefore you have to be forced to compromise to a degree where you will not be able to push us to on side as you did in the past. We cannot steal what is already ours and much to your dismay Cyprus also belongs to us. We are willing to compromise by forsaking our safe haven and forming a partnership which you renegged on before, you didnt even abide by supreme court judgements whats makes you think that you will stick to any new agreements? You are the ones who took 100% of our recognition just giving back our rights is not a compromise its our right, you forget this as it does not suit your agenda.

[Viewpoint]

its easy to blame the turks and the brits , when are you going to take some sort of resposibility for your actions?

roseandchan, if I came to your country and started to oppress you, kill you, and violate your rights, whom would you blame? Yourself?

The Cypriots never went out of their island to harm anybody. All the conflicts we had were because others invaded our island and wanted to impose their rule on us.

If you don't want to be blamed then keep your troops inside your own country for your own defense. Don't sent your troops around the world to colonize and oppress others.

You were doing enough damage to your own people in your own country that the minority could not survive thats why outsiders had to intervene, you should be ashamed that it was necessary for others to step in.

[Get Real!]

VP, I don’t know what you’re barking about… you were one of the three who rejected their rights in the poll!

[Viewpoint]

VP, I don’t know what you’re barking about… you were one of the three who rejected their rights in the poll!

Which was a forgone conclusion when allowing for the fanatics in the GC community, you were asking us to sign our own death warrant, thanks but no thanks we wanted to live.

[Get Real!]

Viewpoint, it is time for you to accept that compromise is the key. We have made a lot of compromises from our rights already. What compromises did you make? Stealing 100 and giving 10 back and asking for 50 in return is not a compromise. I hope you understand this.

Not only you do not make any compromises, but you are asking from us to compromise even our basic human rights and democracy!!

You stole our country and burned down our houses killing our people, and turning our people into refugees, where were your cries for democracy, freedom and equality back then?? your double standards when the shoe is on the other foot does not instill any confidence and therefore you have to be forced to compromise to a degree where you will not be able to push us to on side as you did in the past. We cannot steal what is already ours and much to your dismay Cyprus also belongs to us. We are willing to compromise by forsaking our safe haven and forming a partnership which you renegged on before, you didnt even abide by supreme court judgements whats makes you think that you will stick to any new agreements? You are the ones who took 100% of our recognition just giving back our rights is not a compromise its our right, you forget this as it does not suit your agenda.

Why did your people come to this terrible island in the first place? To set a new standard perhaps?

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, it is time for you to accept that compromise is the key. We have made a lot of compromises from our rights already. What compromises did you make? Stealing 100 and giving 10 back and asking for 50 in return is not a compromise. I hope you understand this.

Not only you do not make any compromises, but you are asking from us to compromise even our basic human rights and democracy!!

You stole our country and burned down our houses killing our people, and turning our people into refugees, where were your cries for democracy, freedom and equality back then?? your double standards when the shoe is on the other foot does not instill any confidence and therefore you have to be forced to compromise to a degree where you will not be able to push us to on side as you did in the past. We cannot steal what is already ours and much to your dismay Cyprus also belongs to us. We are willing to compromise by forsaking our safe haven and forming a partnership which you renegged on before, you didnt even abide by supreme court judgements whats makes you think that you will stick to any new agreements? You are the ones who took 100% of our recognition just giving back our rights is not a compromise its our right, you forget this as it does not suit your agenda.

Why did your people come to this terrible island in the first place? To set a new standard perhaps?

Ask the Ottomans if you can find any around, Im indigenous so I have as much right to live on this island as you do.

[Get Real!]

VP, I don’t know what you’re barking about… you were one of the three who rejected their rights in the poll!

Which was a forgone conclusion when allowing for the fanatics in the GC community, you were asking us to sign our own death warrant, thanks but no thanks we wanted to live.

I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to share an island with the likes of Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle, Sotos, and GR...

[Viewpoint]

VP, I don’t know what you’re barking about… you were one of the three who rejected their rights in the poll!

Which was a forgone conclusion when allowing for the fanatics in the GC community, you were asking us to sign our own death warrant, thanks but no thanks we wanted to live.

I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to share an island with the likes of Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle, Sotos, and GR...

You can add Kikapu to that list as well, I wouldnt share the time with these people let alone a country, they would stab me in the back the first opportunity they got and them blame me for making them do it.