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[garbitsch]

Neither T.Cs nor G.Cs came up with a plan that would satisfy both sides Magik, and you well know this. Under the rule of TP, the Greek side will never come with a plan that will make us think "ok now we can agree". Am I wrong?

[MicAtCyp]

main source dude, any tc who stayed after 1974 or decides to move to south now has no rights at all, you cannot vote or be part of an organisation

Brother please tell me what do you do every day. Voting, or going to work?
What gives you money to feed your family. Voting or your job?
What do your friends ask you at night when you go to the kahvene for kumari. Do they ask you if you are a TC or whether you have enough money to gamble?
When you sell your halilar, does anybody ask you if your are a TC or checks your quality and asks for your price?
So what the hell are those rights that will make your life sooo miserable? Please do tell me.Here we have even Russians making bussiness and money who do not even speak enough English, and you tell me you are going to be deprived this and that?
And who said you cannot join an organisation.Of course you can, you can even register your own club.

It's about one year Denktash opened the gates. In my opinion the reason TC don't come to the free areas is mainly because they feel lonely.They need more of their own people around.And they need a school to send their children.I am absolutely sure within 1 year the number of TCs in Limassol will double. And slowly slowly more will come especially expats. Then their number will increase exponentially.

And if you go there ask them for their voting they will tell you quite honestly: "Who cares man?"

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TP is saying he will agree to the EU aid to the north (that is in fact less than Turkey gives us EVERY YEAR) provided of course it is on his terms and involves us giving defacto recognition to the RoC as a the sole legitimate government of all Cypriots. This is not the sign of someone seeking renuification it is a sign of someone seeking to use EU entry of the South to force TC to accept what is unacceptable to them. It is in short economic blackmail.

Erol sorry, but whatever grants you will be getting from the EU is not because "Trnc" entered the EU is because RoC entered the EU.So if on one hand you reject the recognition of the RoC and on the other hand you still want the money coming from the EU part of which is RoCs contribution - sounds irrational to me. All you can say is "we do not want anything from you, because one of you is RoC". Simple as that.

May I also ask you one question. How do you feel when Turkey "steals" money from her own extremely poor masses and gives it to you to have a slightly better standard of living than the mainland Turks.I know in Turkey there are people who starve, especially in the south eastern provinces. Personally I would feel ashamed.

Like it or not your future is with us man. And we like it or not have to respect you and your rights. Don't exploit this good will coming from us by seeking to deprive us of our own rights.

[erolz]

And if you go there ask them for their voting they will tell you quite honestly: "Who cares man?"

If political rights are so unimportant then why such resistance to us having political equality as a community?

Erol sorry, but whatever grants you will be getting from the EU is not because "Trnc" entered the EU is because RoC entered the EU.So if on one hand you reject the recognition of the RoC and on the other hand you still want the money coming from the EU part of which is RoCs contribution - sounds irrational to me. All you can say is "we do not want anything from you, because one of you is RoC". Simple as that.

The EU grants were part of a comitment by the EU to help unification of the island following the annan plan being implemented. The RoC did not in fact contribute to these funds at all they were budgeted and assigned before the RoC gained EU membership. Following the no vote from the GC community and in line with the UN's pledge to ease economic sanctions against the north and aid it's development to in turn aid chances for renuification by creating greater economic partity between the north and south the EU decided to grant this aid to the TRNC - again all before GC entry. My post was in response to this post from main source.

At the same time, RoC is pushing for the multi million cash injection in the north...but Talat keeps rejecting it

The point I was making is that the RoC is not pushing for a multi million pound injection into the north - that was laready decided by the EU before RoC entry. The delay in the disbursment of this money from the EU is not Talat's rejection of it - it is down to RoC efforts since joining the EU to only allow the money to go to the north if it is administered by the RoC. That is why the money has not arrived yet (and the RoC efforts to decouple the aid from other economic moves by the EU to ease the sanctions on the north). I was in fact trying to counter main sources statement. As for it being irrational to want money from the EU when the RoC is part of the EU and I do not recognise the RoC in its current form as the legitimate goverment of all of Cyprus - the fact is this money is from the EU before the RoC was a member.

May I also ask you one question. How do you feel when Turkey "steals" money from her own extremely poor masses and gives it to you to have a slightly better standard of living than the mainland Turks.I know in Turkey there are people who starve, especially in the south eastern provinces. Personally I would feel ashamed.

There is much poverty in eastern Turkey as well as much wealth in Turkey. I would like to see a much flater distributiob of wealth in Turkey, In TRNC in RoC in UK in EU and mostly in the world. I am not as ashamed of the money Turkey gives to the trnc as I am ashamed of the wealth of the first world accrued off the backs of the third world and its people and the millions who live in abject poverty far in excess of even the worst poverty in eastern turkey in countries like africa - so that we (the west the EU the US the first world nations) can live lives of luxury and plenty.

Like it or not your future is with us man. And we like it or not have to respect you and your rights. Don't exploit this good will coming from us by seeking to deprive us of our own rights.

I have no agenda of stealing from GC. No agenda of trying to secure permanent partition. I have no agenda of trying to deprive GC of their rights as indivduals or as a community. What I have an agenda for is the well being and future of the TC community in Cyprus. That is my priority as a TC. For me some degree of agreed political equality is an essential necessity for the TC community in any re unifed Cyprus. After that everything is negotiable to me. I do not want to see people forced from homes they have lived in for 30+ years but that is a 'wish' not a red line. My only red line is some degree of effective political equality and if that can be achieved without having to place any restictions on GC then no one will be happier than myself.[/quote]

[unnamedman]

Can't we talk without fight?!

I'm bored about that

"This is my country!"
"You killed our fathers!"
"No,you killed!"
"We are living here for 3.500 years"
"Fuck You Turks!"
"Fuck You Greeks!"


Please, we must stop this. We should see the fact that we all will live together as soon as possible. I mean, EU! What ever turks or greeks done, it's over. We are allies now, not enemies!

First of all, you should accept that, in your mind...

Turks and Greeks aren't Turks or Greeks anymore.

You all are Cypriots! After all, we all are europeans!

I can't stand that racist things!

[Main_Source]

smelly Turkish c*nt

[turkcyp]

smelly Turkish c*nt

Why do I even bother answering your posts? With such a beatiful words dropping out of your mouth......

[insan]

smelly Turkish c*nt

wtf you are talkin'?

[Main_Source]

Oh come on...I wasnt serious lol. Dont think you work in that same humour as me.

[turkcyp]

Oh come on...I wasnt serious lol. Dont think you work in that same humour as me.

This is not your first occasion Main_source. I advice you to check back all your posts and realize that if you keep on doing humor like this over and over, you may be confused with a racist.

[-mikkie2-]

I have no agenda of stealing from GC. No agenda of trying to secure permanent partition. I have no agenda of trying to deprive GC of their rights as indivduals or as a community. What I have an agenda for is the well being and future of the TC community in Cyprus. That is my priority as a TC. For me some degree of agreed political equality is an essential necessity for the TC community in any re unifed Cyprus. After that everything is negotiable to me. I do not want to see people forced from homes they have lived in for 30+ years but that is a 'wish' not a red line. My only red line is some degree of effective political equality and if that can be achieved without having to place any restictions on GC then no one will be happier than myself.

Erol,

It is all well and good saying this.

We hear about the TC's being made refugees again! They are refugees anyway, just as the GC are still refugees after 30 years. The GC's will go through the same upheaval as the TC's in that respect, yet all we hear is the one side - that the TC's are being made refugees again!

The only way is to give people the choice as to what to do. Placing severe restrictions as to how the property situation should be handled will cause more heartache and could possibly lead to much worse.

The TC's need to show good will in that respect by halting massive developments of GC land and property. This benefits no one other than the mainland Turks. It is mostly mainland Turks and labour that are constructing these properties and most of the money is being made by foreigners and mainland Turks. The TC's may benefit in the short term, but in the longterm it is a disaster for our country.

Until the legitimate rights of the GC's are respected by your side then I cannot hope to see a proper solution.