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[Jerry]

Last week whilst visiting Cyprus we drove through Tochni and my thoughts turned to the dozens of Turkish Cypriots who were rounded up by EOKA B and murdered. I began to question my views on the Cyprus Problem and then I came across this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/audio/2 ... ave.cyprus

I had never realised that this had happened in my father's village of Komi Kebir, I only knew a few men were missing.
Both sides need to forgive the past and move on if the current talks are to succeed. However judging by some of the recent posts on this site many Cypriots just want to perpetuate the hatred that spawned these massacres. It's time Cypriots realised that they have been victims of each other and that the driving force behind the causes of division lay outside the island.
Cyprus has never been a truly sovereign country. If the current talks result in a federation that allows other countries to interfere in Cyprus's affairs then once again independence will have been denied and the seeds of conflict will have been sown.
The only "big" player to have done the honourable thing and distance itself from the Cyprus Problem is Greece, if Turkey, Britain and the US were to demonstrate a more altruistic attitude towards the island a solution could be found quite quickly but I fear it will never happen.
Turkey wants to join the EU (we think) and keep its forces in Cyprus. Britain wants to keep it's bases and Turkey in the EU. The US wants Turkey in NATO and the EU. In order to achieve these objectives the Cypriot lamb will have to be sacrificed, i.e. no true democracy for Cypriots.
With this in mind I fear that an agreed and equitable partition is the only lasting solution and perhaps then in time, under the EU umbrella, the two States could "reunite"

[Bananiot]

I met Angelique at the funeral of Yiannos in Larnaca. She is related to my sister-in-law who comes from Komi Kebir. Angelique gives a very balanced view of things that happened in her interview.

I cannot agree with Jerry, however, who thinks that partition is a good thing. Jerry should have a talk with a very knowledgeable Komi Kebir person that lives in London. His name is Kyriakos Tsioupras and if he does not know him he should ask his parents.

[Oracle]

Is it just me or does Bananiot have a predilection for name dropping ....

[Jerry]

I met Angelique at the funeral of Yiannos in Larnaca. She is related to my sister-in-law who comes from Komi Kebir. Angelique gives a very balanced view of things that happened in her interview.

I cannot agree with Jerry, however, who thinks that partition is a good thing. Jerry should have a talk with a very knowledgeable Komi Kebir person that lives in London. His name is Kyriakos Tsioupras and if he does not know him he should ask his parents.

Seeing partition as the only lasting solution and thinking it is a good thing is not the quite the same. Unfortunately I cannot ask my parents about Kyriakos Tsiopras, my father, who was a very active supporter of the Cypriot cause in the UK, died last year aged 94. My mother was English.
Bananiot, like you I would like to see Cyprus pre the Problem but too much has changed on the ground for things to go back as they were. Sadly we will never see the old Cyprus of 50 years ago. We have to be realistic. The best we can hope for is two independent States with a fair distribution of land. I would not like to see a federation where Turkey effectivley has a a say in how Cyprus is run.

[Jerry]

Is it just me or does Bananiot have a predilection for name dropping ....

It's just you.

[Oracle]

Is it just me or does Bananiot have a predilection for name dropping ....

It's just you.

Yeah, me and who else? ... Four names in as many lines

(Jerry it is payback as Bananiot counts words in my posts .... )

[Bananiot]

Sorry to hear of your father. Kyriakos was for many years the editor of "Paroikiaki Haravgi" and Director of LGR. He still reports for RIK. He is a graduate of LSE. I am sure he was a good friend of your father.

[Jerry]

Is it just me or does Bananiot have a predilection for name dropping ....

It's just you.

Yeah, me and who else? ... Four names in as many lines

(Jerry it is payback as Bananiot counts words in my posts .... )

Oracle, I may not agree with Bananiot but I respect his views. I would respect your views but because of the inflammatory and aggressive manner in which you express them I tend to regard them as the paranoid ravings of a lunatic.

[Oracle]

Is it just me or does Bananiot have a predilection for name dropping ....

It's just you.

Yeah, me and who else? ... Four names in as many lines

(Jerry it is payback as Bananiot counts words in my posts .... )

Oracle, I may not agree with Bananiot but I respect his views. I would respect your views but because of the inflammatory and aggressive manner in which you express them I tend to regard them as the paranoid ravings of a lunatic.

Jerry you are mistaking me for some other ...

But I'll leave your thread alone as I got too emotional and I am in denial, and making light of things ...

Bye for now ....

[Jerry]

Sorry to hear of your father. Kyriakos was for many years the editor of "Paroikiaki Haravgi" and Director of LGR. He still reports for RIK. He is a graduate of LSE. I am sure he was a good friend of your father.

Dad may have known him, he used to get Paroikiaki every week, I used to read the English section.