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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 23, 2008 11:22 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Good on Christofias. I think the message that came out of the meeting is one of hope. I could not expect a different reaction from Kifeas. He has already made up his mind that partition is better than BBF and political equality of the two communities. He and all rejectionists know that its either this solution or partition. Thus, when it comes down to another referendum we will be deciding for the only possible solution or partition. We will be playing in a level field, for a change. Last time round, in 2004, we were told that its either the Annan Plan or a better, European solution. That was a lie by a man that lied profusely throughout his tenure as president.


Bananiot,

Just for the sake of argument, if settlement talks are about to happen as prescribed in the BBF 2004 AP in what Christofias may have agreed to today, then here comes the Confederation and the Partition that you supposedly are against, therefore I do not know why you are so happy with what Christofias has allegedly agreed to today.


Kikapu, in case you have not realized this yet, by trying to argue with Bananiot, you are in essence trying to make sense with a pathetic personality disordered person! Have you not realized yet that the man is a lunatic pervert?
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 23, 2008 11:23 pm

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Kikapu wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Good on Christofias. I think the message that came out of the meeting is one of hope. I could not expect a different reaction from Kifeas. He has already made up his mind that partition is better than BBF and political equality of the two communities. He and all rejectionists know that its either this solution or partition. Thus, when it comes down to another referendum we will be deciding for the only possible solution or partition. We will be playing in a level field, for a change. Last time round, in 2004, we were told that its either the Annan Plan or a better, European solution. That was a lie by a man that lied profusely throughout his tenure as president.


Bananiot,

Just for the sake of argument, if settlement talks are about to happen as prescribed in the BBF 2004 AP in what Christofias may have agreed to today, then here comes the Confederation and the Partition that you supposedly are against, therefore I do not know why you are so happy with what Christofias has allegedly agreed to today.


Kikapu, in case you have not realized this yet, by trying to argue with Bananiot, you are in essence trying to make sense with a pathetic personality disordered person! Have you not realized yet that the man is a lunatic pervert?


Just as we see you Kifeas.
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 23, 2008 11:26 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Good on Christofias. I think the message that came out of the meeting is one of hope. I could not expect a different reaction from Kifeas. He has already made up his mind that partition is better than BBF and political equality of the two communities. He and all rejectionists know that its either this solution or partition. Thus, when it comes down to another referendum we will be deciding for the only possible solution or partition. We will be playing in a level field, for a change. Last time round, in 2004, we were told that its either the Annan Plan or a better, European solution. That was a lie by a man that lied profusely throughout his tenure as president.


Bananiot,

Just for the sake of argument, if settlement talks are about to happen as prescribed in the BBF 2004 AP in what Christofias may have agreed to today, then here comes the Confederation and the Partition that you supposedly are against, therefore I do not know why you are so happy with what Christofias has allegedly agreed to today.


Kikapu, in case you have not realized this yet, by trying to argue with Bananiot, you are in essence trying to make sense with a pathetic personality disordered person! Have you not realized yet that the man is a lunatic pervert?


Just as we see you Kifeas.


I am quite sure you would rather not want to hear how I see you!
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 11:28 pm

I want to hear it ... Kifeas always comes up with the best descriptions of malfunctioning personality types ... :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Fri May 23, 2008 11:33 pm

Viewpoint wrote:No you wouldnt know about Tcs killed well before the propaganda you have been spoon fed becuase it doesnt suit your goal to take away our community rights.

Either supply your evidence of whatever it is you're on about or move on to something credible.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat May 24, 2008 7:46 am

Is there nobody in this forum to point out to oracle that Papadopoulos had nothing to do with Cyprus becoming a full member of the EU with the problem remaining unsolved? Does no one care to burst the bubble of this person and tell her that if it were up to Papadopoulos we could not see the EU even with binoculars. Can someone point out to oracle what Papadopoulos was saying in 1999 about Helsinki, when Simitis literally gave the kiss of life to Cyprus?

Kikapu, I can only debate real options that may stand a chance of providing an answer. What is the point of debating about a unitary Cyprus, for instance, when this option simply does not exist? Nevertheless, you are not being fair when you claim that BBF (as defined in the Annan Plan) means confederation. It certainly does not. That particular Plan provided for a united Cyprus made up of two component states (constituent, whatever - the tyranny of words!) with one nationality, single sovereignity and one international representation.

Does anyone remember Kifeas barking at me for daring to criticise the "democratically elected President of Cyprus"? He, along with the chauvist, nationalist dynasty of the forum, cried out loud "traitor" at anyone that dared to say anything even mildly critical of Papadopoulos. Now, he has no problem accusing Christofias of selling Cyprus to Turkey. He is a fool who probably puts his own personal financial interests above Cyprus but I suspect, most people have realised this by now.
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Postby DT. » Sat May 24, 2008 7:57 am

Bananiot wrote:Is there nobody in this forum to point out to oracle that Papadopoulos had nothing to do with Cyprus becoming a full member of the EU with the problem remaining unsolved? Does no one care to burst the bubble of this person and tell her that if it were up to Papadopoulos we could not see the EU even with binoculars. Can someone point out to oracle what Papadopoulos was saying in 1999 about Helsinki, when Simitis literally gave the kiss of life to Cyprus?

Kikapu, I can only debate real options that may stand a chance of providing an answer. What is the point of debating about a unitary Cyprus, for instance, when this option simply does not exist? Nevertheless, you are not being fair when you claim that BBF (as defined in the Annan Plan) means confederation. It certainly does not. That particular Plan provided for a united Cyprus made up of two component states (constituent, whatever - the tyranny of words!) with one nationality, single sovereignity and one international representation.

Does anyone remember Kifeas barking at me for daring to criticise the "democratically elected President of Cyprus"? He, along with the chauvist, nationalist dynasty of the forum, cried out loud "traitor" at anyone that dared to say anything even mildly critical of Papadopoulos. Now, he has no problem accusing Christofias of selling Cyprus to Turkey. He is a fool who probably puts his own personal financial interests above Cyprus but I suspect, most people have realised this by now.


BAnaniot you've skimmed over the most importat question asked by kikapu and instead concentrated on a well known fact that it was not Papadopoulos that got us in the EU. You do off course forget to mention that your beloved AKEL oppossed the EU membership every step of the way. Claiming at some point that it would lead to mass unemployement due to all the cypriot businesses going bust in the first 2 years of membership.

Kikapu asked about confederation and you appease us by repeating the one international personality line? NAive to say the least would be to regard the AP as a federation and not a confederation simply because a council of 7 people sat in the middle of the island deciding on foreign policy (whatever foreign policy is left after the consituent states have already made up their own bi-lateral relations with other states.)
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Postby boomerang » Sat May 24, 2008 7:57 am

Bananiot wrote:Is there nobody in this forum to point out to oracle that Papadopoulos had nothing to do with Cyprus becoming a full member of the EU with the problem remaining unsolved? Does no one care to burst the bubble of this person and tell her that if it were up to Papadopoulos we could not see the EU even with binoculars. Can someone point out to oracle what Papadopoulos was saying in 1999 about Helsinki, when Simitis literally gave the kiss of life to Cyprus?

Kikapu, I can only debate real options that may stand a chance of providing an answer. What is the point of debating about a unitary Cyprus, for instance, when this option simply does not exist? Nevertheless, you are not being fair when you claim that BBF (as defined in the Annan Plan) means confederation. It certainly does not. That particular Plan provided for a united Cyprus made up of two component states (constituent, whatever - the tyranny of words!) with one nationality, single sovereignity and one international representation.

Does anyone remember Kifeas barking at me for daring to criticise the "democratically elected President of Cyprus"? He, along with the chauvist, nationalist dynasty of the forum, cried out loud "traitor" at anyone that dared to say anything even mildly critical of Papadopoulos. Now, he has no problem accusing Christofias of selling Cyprus to Turkey. He is a fool who probably puts his own personal financial interests above Cyprus but I suspect, most people have realised this by now.


Bananniot the whole thing is a joke...

A turkish Cypriot and a Greek Cypriot state?...coming under the umbrella of a United Cyprus?...Doesn't this strike you as odd?

You keep on harping Turkish this and Greek this and end of the day you are all bitches to the motherlands...

You are a country for gods sake...start behaving like one you bitches...

I would have been happy to call them North Cyprus and South Cyprus...Atleast end of the day it would have been Cyprus for all Cypriots...

End of the day you will get your partition with another failed referendum...Good onya Bananiot...
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 24, 2008 8:25 am

Bananiot wrote:Is there nobody in this forum to point out to oracle that Papadopoulos had nothing to do with Cyprus becoming a full member of the EU with the problem remaining unsolved? Does no one care to burst the bubble of this person and tell her that if it were up to Papadopoulos we could not see the EU even with binoculars. Can someone point out to oracle what Papadopoulos was saying in 1999 about Helsinki, when Simitis literally gave the kiss of life to Cyprus?

Kikapu, I can only debate real options that may stand a chance of providing an answer. What is the point of debating about a unitary Cyprus, for instance, when this option simply does not exist? Nevertheless, you are not being fair when you claim that BBF (as defined in the Annan Plan) means confederation. It certainly does not. That particular Plan provided for a united Cyprus made up of two component states (constituent, whatever - the tyranny of words!) with one nationality, single sovereignity and one international representation.

Does anyone remember Kifeas barking at me for daring to criticise the "democratically elected President of Cyprus"? He, along with the chauvist, nationalist dynasty of the forum, cried out loud "traitor" at anyone that dared to say anything even mildly critical of Papadopoulos. Now, he has no problem accusing Christofias of selling Cyprus to Turkey. He is a fool who probably puts his own personal financial interests above Cyprus but I suspect, most people have realised this by now.


Bananiot since you failed to see the subtle hints I was dropping, regarding Papadopoulos being a real Elinokyprios ... I must spell it out! ..... I am well aware that the strings and machinations were pulled by Greece to finalise the goal .... but did a presiding president, who was dynamic in every other aspect, passively just sit back and allow his country to be swept into the EU if he opposed such a move?

Really ... please read between the lines! Obviously the man was too deep for you! :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Sat May 24, 2008 8:28 am

Kikapu, I can only debate real options that may stand a chance of providing an answer. What is the point of debating about a unitary Cyprus, for instance, when this option simply does not exist? Nevertheless, you are not being fair when you claim that BBF (as defined in the Annan Plan) means confederation. It certainly does not. That particular Plan provided for a united Cyprus made up of two component states (constituent, whatever - the tyranny of words!) with one nationality, single sovereignity and one international representation.


Bannaiot, you are a victim of nice words and you are unable to see the essence.

The word "united" for example. What would be united? The land would be divided with clearly defined borders and the people would be divided based on their ethnicity ala South Africa Apartheid.

The only thing that would be united would be the foreign policy of Cyprus, and with the TCs having 50% share and a veto power in it that would mean that Cyprus will be unable to act in EU or UN in a way that it is for our interests, especially anything that has to do with protecting oursleves from Turkey.

So not only they will not give up the division they forced in 1974, not only they will legalize it, but they will also gain even more, by taking the 50% share of what is now 100% ours!

You call that unity? Ta dika mas dika mas, kai ta dikas sas dika mas?

Also lets examine what the word sovereignty means:

Sovereignty is the exclusive right to complete political (e.g. legislative, judicial, and/or executive) control over an area of governance, people, or oneself.


So Bananiot, who will govern and have control of the north part of Cyprus according to your partition plans? Would Kifeas or the other GCs of Kyrenia that constitute the great majority be able to govern and decide what happens to their own city? No! The Turks will govern and control it, therefore they are the ones who in practice will have sovereignty over it.

And yes, what we have are options. If what you have is something bad, and the only currently available option is to move to somehting worst then what you do is simply stay with the bad. This way not only you avoid the worst, but you also have hope that something better can come in the future, a hope that will be almost gone if we recognize the Turkish rule over the north part of our country and also that they can have 50% share on our foreign policy.

If Christofias makes the mistake to remove this option from the Cypriot people, and put us in the difficult position to choose between a clean partition (worst) and an Annan plan kind of partition (way worst) then the people will obviously choose the least worst option. I just hope Christofias will not be stupid enough to remove from us the best available option we have today, otherwise he will be fully responsible for the results of his actions.
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