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[repulsewarrior]

...again, read the Manifesto.

It is a Unitary State which is defined as Bicommunal. It is Bizonal and it allows for the displaced, "Turkish" and "Greek" to represent themselves as having been recognised for the suffering caused to them by the extremists who would divide us.

[Piratis]

I reserve my judgement until we hear from the RoC government .We mustn't rush and speculate at what might come out of the current negotiations and what might or might not be accepted by Christophias .
We can not afford another referendum ending in a rejection of a given plan.

Wise words from a wise man. Kifeas, Piratis and GR want to attack. For them its all about balance of power and bloodshed. Fucking morons

We have been attacked from Turkey which is now illegally and criminally occupying 1/3rd of our country violating the human rights of Cypriots and the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus. What we will do is to defend our country from the criminal invadors of your kind.

So get your facts straight about who is attacking and who is defending. Cypriots never ventured out of their island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept invading our island.

You didnt have to venture out of the island you were doing enough damage internally to people you claim are your own, that it was necessary for an outside strength to intervene.

We have already established that it is the Turks who started all the attacks against Cypriots. The very first attack, constant attacks and massacres against us during their brutal rule of our island, the in 1958 they attacked us again starting the inter-communal conflict, and then in 1974 again.

Cypriots never ventured out of their own island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept invading us. All we ever did was to fight for our freedom and self-determination on our island, against those that wanted to take our rights and our freedom. (and not against anybody else).

Piratis, if you think you are fooling anybody with you garbage propaganda you are mistaken.

Let me tell you this works. GCs have their own version of Cyprus history. TCs have their own. And then there is the one known by the wider audience, that's the rest of the world. Its what the rest of the world know that should worry you.

The difference is that what I say is the truth and your version of history is nothing more than lies.

For example:

You say that in 1974 "Turkey invaded to save the TCs who were exterminated". This is somehting very easy to prove as a lie. The invasion was on 20th of July of 1974. In 1974 no TC was killed before Turkey started their invasion.

If you disagree with this, then tell us how many TCs were killed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion, and give us your sources.

If you can't do this, then admit that you are lying. Deal?

Turkish Cypriots appealed to the Guarantor powers for help, but only Turkey was willing to make any effective response. The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

Saved by a fucking whisker I reckon

So if that was the case then why in the 5 days that Samson was in power no TC was harmed? Do you admit that in 1974 it is again the Turks who started the attacks against Cypriots, just like they have always done? If you don't admit this, then show me when in 1974 we attacked the TCs first.

Samson was bitter with the Cyprus goverment because he was put in jail and thats why he said what he said. If he meant what he said then it would have been actions in 1974, not words in 1981.

[repulsewarrior]

I reserve my judgement until we hear from the RoC government .We mustn't rush and speculate at what might come out of the current negotiations and what might or might not be accepted by Christophias .
We can not afford another referendum ending in a rejection of a given plan.

Wise words from a wise man. Kifeas, Piratis and GR want to attack. For them its all about balance of power and bloodshed. Fucking morons

We have been attacked from Turkey which is now illegally and criminally occupying 1/3rd of our country violating the human rights of Cypriots and the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus. What we will do is to defend our country from the criminal invadors of your kind.

So get your facts straight about who is attacking and who is defending. Cypriots never ventured out of their island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept invading our island.

You didnt have to venture out of the island you were doing enough damage internally to people you claim are your own, that it was necessary for an outside strength to intervene.

We have already established that it is the Turks who started all the attacks against Cypriots. The very first attack, constant attacks and massacres against us during their brutal rule of our island, the in 1958 they attacked us again starting the inter-communal conflict, and then in 1974 again.

Cypriots never ventured out of their own island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept invading us. All we ever did was to fight for our freedom and self-determination on our island, against those that wanted to take our rights and our freedom. (and not against anybody else).

Piratis, if you think you are fooling anybody with you garbage propaganda you are mistaken.

Let me tell you this works. GCs have their own version of Cyprus history. TCs have their own. And then there is the one known by the wider audience, that's the rest of the world. Its what the rest of the world know that should worry you.

The difference is that what I say is the truth and your version of history is nothing more than lies.

For example:

You say that in 1974 "Turkey invaded to save the TCs who were exterminated". This is somehting very easy to prove as a lie. The invasion was on 20th of July of 1974. In 1974 no TC was killed before Turkey started their invasion.

If you disagree with this, then tell us how many TCs were killed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion, and give us your sources.

If you can't do this, then admit that you are lying. Deal?

Turkish Cypriots appealed to the Guarantor powers for help, but only Turkey was willing to make any effective response. The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

Saved by a fucking whisker I reckon

"if..." as though the Greek Cypriots went out and fought with this madman.

Sampson, failed because he lacked popular support. It was not the Turkish Army which led to his defeat.

[Oracle]

It's not just about what President Christofias wants anymore ... we have to satisfy the EU too ... and there is no way they are going to stand by and allow their prize possession to be pawned off ...

Why were they happy to allow Cyprus in without a prior resolution?.. because they want to fix the problem themselves! ... and that is to maximise their assets; not lose them by allowing Turks any influence within EU territory ...

If the President doesn't sort this first ... and I believe he is jut playing politics .... then the EU will ..... as I have always maintained..

No wonder ex-President Papadopoulos fought so effectively to get us into the EU ... he was our greatest father with foresight to date ... a man after Makarios' heart ... a true Elinokyprios (and there is no room for any other kind IMHO after today's performance ).

[Bananiot]

Can someone tell oracle who got us into the EU? It seems she got her pants in a twist.

[Kikapu]

Good on Christofias. I think the message that came out of the meeting is one of hope. I could not expect a different reaction from Kifeas. He has already made up his mind that partition is better than BBF and political equality of the two communities. He and all rejectionists know that its either this solution or partition. Thus, when it comes down to another referendum we will be deciding for the only possible solution or partition. We will be playing in a level field, for a change. Last time round, in 2004, we were told that its either the Annan Plan or a better, European solution. That was a lie by a man that lied profusely throughout his tenure as president.

Bananiot,

Just for the sake of argument, if settlement talks are about to happen as prescribed in the BBF 2004 AP in what Christofias may have agreed to today, then here comes the Confederation and the Partition that you supposedly are against, therefore I do not know why you are so happy with what Christofias has allegedly agreed to today.

[Oracle]

Can someone tell oracle who got us into the EU? It seems she got her pants in a twist.

Sorry Bananiot ... was it your good self? ... I do apologise

.... as I said a true Elinokyprios!

[Piratis]

Good on Christofias. I think the message that came out of the meeting is one of hope. I could not expect a different reaction from Kifeas. He has already made up his mind that partition is better than BBF and political equality of the two communities. He and all rejectionists know that its either this solution or partition. Thus, when it comes down to another referendum we will be deciding for the only possible solution or partition. We will be playing in a level field, for a change. Last time round, in 2004, we were told that its either the Annan Plan or a better, European solution. That was a lie by a man that lied profusely throughout his tenure as president.

Cypriots have already rejected the Annan plan, and all subsequent polls show clearly that they have not changed their mind. The reason the Annan plan was rejected was not because we were sure somehting better would come soon, but that the Annan partition plan was indeed worst than any other kind of partition.

So it is definite that another Annan plan will again be rejected. Based on this fact, why would Christofias want to bring in a referendum a plan that will certainly be rejected?

[paaul12]

Piratis wrote

So it is definite that another Annan plan will again be rejected. Based on this fact, why would Christofias want to bring in a referendum a plan that will certainly be rejected?

That is conjecture

[Viewpoint]

I reserve my judgement until we hear from the RoC government .We mustn't rush and speculate at what might come out of the current negotiations and what might or might not be accepted by Christophias .
We can not afford another referendum ending in a rejection of a given plan.

Wise words from a wise man. Kifeas, Piratis and GR want to attack. For them its all about balance of power and bloodshed. Fucking morons

We have been attacked from Turkey which is now illegally and criminally occupying 1/3rd of our country violating the human rights of Cypriots and the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus. What we will do is to defend our country from the criminal invadors of your kind.

So get your facts straight about who is attacking and who is defending. Cypriots never ventured out of their island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept invading our island.

You didnt have to venture out of the island you were doing enough damage internally to people you claim are your own, that it was necessary for an outside strength to intervene.

We have already established that it is the Turks who started all the attacks against Cypriots. The very first attack, constant attacks and massacres against us during their brutal rule of our island, the in 1958 they attacked us again starting the inter-communal conflict, and then in 1974 again.

Cypriots never ventured out of their own island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept invading us. All we ever did was to fight for our freedom and self-determination on our island, against those that wanted to take our rights and our freedom. (and not against anybody else).

You think you proved who attacked first, do you know about the killing in Kyrenia Bogaz region?

You had suceeded to discriminate and persecute TCs, you must feel real proud why do not speak about these acts? why were you not campagining for democracy and human rights for all equal Cypriots back then?

No mate, I don't know about any "killing in Kerynia". I know about the organized large scale attacks of Turks and TCs against Greek Cypriots.

You are the one who succeeded the discrimination among Cypriots. What we wanted is democracy and equal Cypriots, one person one vote, everybody with equal rights. But you didn't want that! You wanted, and you continue to want, to discriminate against us.

No you wouldnt know about Tcs killed well before the propaganda you have been spoon fed becuase it doesnt suit your goal to take away our community rights.

You were the one who discrminated against me for being a TCs, people still remember your acts it would do you good to meet some and understand who was to blame, you have to accept that it was also your fault and that without your enosis dream we would not have been divied today.