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[Kifeas]

Kifeas
Of course TCs can exercise their EU citizenship rights through RoC. No problem. But contrary to what you say, TCs do not have to denounce anything in order to be able to exercise those rights. And since TCs have rights then, thankfully, they don't have to ask the likes of you to 'accommodate them'.

And no, you're wrong. Far from 'so far reject[ing]' the RoC, many TCs have exercised their EU rights through the RoC and this is likely to set to continue. The result is that more TCs will have EU citizen rights, guaranteed through the RoC, but still the TRNC and RoC will sit politically side by side on a divided island.

CopperLine, you are very diluted my dear! You have no clue of what you are talking about! Let me ask you first, which rights do you beilive the TCs will begin exercising under the EU, if no solution is found? Just tell us a few?

Can CopperLine lower himself to answer me this, whilst contemplating Kifeas:

If the TCs have already been exercising EU rights under the RoC .... what of the (now majority) "Settlers" of the "trnc"?

Is there a two-tier system in force?

CopperLine is a typical clueless farter! He doesn’t understand even basic concepts and parameters of the Cyprus issue! He doesn’t even know what the positions of the two sides are, towards a solution, yet he thinks he can come here and with meaningless slogans and "motherhood and the apple pie" type of statements, will offer in this way his "expert" opinion on how the Cyprus problem and its solution should be approached!

[Bananiot]

Again, some people forget that as from February 17 the opposite view is not vilified any more. In fact we need as many diverse views as possible.

Christofias knows exactly what he is doing, have no doubt about this. He saw what damage a sick nationalist like Papadopoulos can do and he will spare no effort to find a solution, together with the progressive forces in the north and with the full baccking of Nicos Anastasiades who has proved hiself to be an excellent politician over the last few years. Christofias has followers in DIKO as well as in EDEK too. This will surface quite soon, as the struggle between the rejectionists and the real Cypriots who care for their country unfolds.

[Nikitas]

Magnmus said:

"Even if the GC State can overcome this, what if the whole 'Constituent State' thing turns out to be a backdoor to recognition? A few months for the sake of appearances and then the same people who are in charge there now declare a legal 'TRNC' or join up with mother Turkey. Next thing you know it's 1974 v2.0 and it wont matter who owns the land.

I really hope Christofias knows what he's doing."

This is the cynical approach and one we must take into account if we are not to be judeged negligent or reckless. So for this precise reason the territorial arragnement must be crystal clear from the start and also state clearly that the British bases are on the GC component, constituent whatever state and will revert to it when the British leave. If suddenly Dhekelia is evacuated and there is no prior arrangement that in itself is a flash point. We must not let the British diddle us again. This goes for both sides.

[Piratis]

Again, some people forget that as from February 17 the opposite view is not vilified any more. In fact we need as many diverse views as possible.

Christofias knows exactly what he is doing, have no doubt about this. He saw what damage a sick nationalist like Papadopoulos can do and he will spare no effort to find a solution, together with the progressive forces in the north and with the full baccking of Nicos Anastasiades who has proved hiself to be an excellent politician over the last few years. Christofias has followers in DIKO as well as in EDEK too. This will surface quite soon, as the struggle between the rejectionists and the real Cypriots who care for their country unfolds.

The only one who vilifies the opposide view before and after Feb 17 is you.

Christofias was elected by adopting the view of the majority of people. He rejected the Annan plan (unlike you), and in order to be elected he promised to the Cypriot people that he will allow nothing like the Annan plan to return.

The view that the Annan plan should return with very little changes was only the view of Themistocleous, who in the elections didn't receive even 1%. So that view is definitely rejected by the Cypriot people.

But lets say that Christofias cheated the Cypriot people and now he will go and do exactly what he promised not to do, and brings back some plan very similar to the Annan plan. Then what? Wouldn't the Cypriot people reject that kind of plan again? Or maybe Christofias will also go back on his promise that he will put any "solution" for referendum? Is this the plan Bananiot? To cheat the Cypriot people and then force on them the Annan plan against our will?

And if some "Annan" plan is put into referendum again, and rejected again, will Christofias accept the responsibility and commit suicide, or he will try to blame the Cypriot people for rejecting what he already knows we will reject?

[Bananiot]

Again, you are so quick to judge others, Piratis. You forget that Papadopoulos won the elections in 2003 by cheating on the AKEL voters who gave him the presidency. You forget that he promised to solve the Cyprus problem on the basis of the Annan Plan. You forget the huge posters with his pictures and the caption "I promise to solve the Cyprus problem on the basis of the Annan Plan". Did I hear you complain that he went back on his words?

The elections in 2008 were a direct confrontation of solution seeking Cypriots with the rejectionists. The latter lost big time. The vast majority of Greek Cypriots voted for solution with a specific content. We all knew that Christofias and Kasoulides accept that the only realistic solution that we can expect is BBF with political equality of the two communities, or the two component states as it was pointed out last week.

So, spare us the agony and drop the democratic fleece but unlike you during the dark period of the Papadopoulos era, I beg you to continue your criticism of the democratically elected President and feel free to denounce him if you feel like. This is my kind of democracy and in case you are a government employer I am prepared to stand up to your rights to express your opinion without fear of jeopardising your job.

[Piratis]

Again, you are so quick to judge others, Piratis. You forget that Papadopoulos won the elections in 2003 by cheating on the AKEL voters who gave him the presidency. You forget that he promised to solve the Cyprus problem on the basis of the Annan Plan. You forget the huge posters with his pictures and the caption "I promise to solve the Cyprus problem on the basis of the Annan Plan". Did I hear you complain that he went back on his words?

No Bananiot, either your memory is not good or you are intentionally trying to mislead.

In the previous elections Papadopoulos said that Annan plan would be the basis for negotiations, and not the basis for a solution. In fact that was the main difference between Papadopoulos and Cleredes. Cleredes said that the Annan plan would be a basis for a solution, while Papadopoulos said that Annan plan would just be the basis for further negotiations.

Papadopoulos did exactly what he promised. He negotiated based on Annan plan, until Annan filled in the blanks, placed the Annan plan in referendum, it was rejected by the Cypriot people and it became null and void.

Papadopoulos did exactly what he promised to do. If AKEL wanted Annan plan to be the basis of a solution then why didn't they vote for Cleredes who said he would do just that?

The elections in 2008 were a direct confrontation of solution seeking Cypriots with the rejectionists. The latter lost big time. The vast majority of Greek Cypriots voted for solution with a specific content. We all knew that Christofias and Kasoulides accept that the only realistic solution that we can expect is BBF with political equality of the two communities, or the two component states as it was pointed out last week.

We are all solution seeking Cypriots my friend. The difference is in the solution we seek. I seek a solution that will actually solve the problems, by giving to Cypriots their human rights and their lands back.
If the elections where a confrontation between those that wanted a solution based on Annan plan and those that wanted nothing like Annan plan but something much better, then the ones who got the 99% of the votes were the second group. The only one who supported a solution like Annan plan was Themistocleous and he received less than 1% of the votes.

If Christofias and Kasoulides wanted a solution like Annan plan then why they lied to the Cypriot people. To steal their votes and then do exactly the opposide than what they promised? Can you also tell me, according to you, what is the difference between what Christofias supports and what Themistocleous and EDI support?

Also, do you accept that any agreement should be approved by the Cypriot people with a referendum? Do you think Christofias will do this as he promised?

[Piratis]

So, spare us the agony and drop the democratic fleece but unlike you during the dark period of the Papadopoulos era, I beg you to continue your criticism of the democratically elected President and feel free to denounce him if you feel like. This is my kind of democracy and in case you are a government employer I am prepared to stand up to your rights to express your opinion without fear of jeopardising your job.

Nobody ever stopped you, not only for criticizing Papadopoulos, but swearing at him in every one of your posts. Everybody knows who you are, and that you are a goverment employee, and if anybody would have lost his job because of what he said that would be you. So cut the crap and the lies about Papadopoulos.

I will continue to criticize everyone that I want, but I will never drop to your level to spread lies about somebody and swear at him in every one of my posts, just because I do not agree with him. Neither I will act in a way that can weaken the negotiating power of Christofias by adopting the Turkish propaganda against him. For me Christofias is not the enemy, the Turks are. For you, the enemy is not the Turks who occupy our country and violate our rights, but the Cypriot people who want a good, fair solution for their own island.

[CBBB]

It is wonderful debating with Cypriots (all the various flavours of them) where regardless of any evidence you put in front of them, black is still white.

Not suprising that we are unable to solve the problem!

[BirKibrisli]

It is wonderful debating with Cypriots (all the various flavours of them) where regardless of any evidence you put in front of them, black is still white.

Not suprising that we are unable to solve the problem!

Welcome to our little Forum,CBBB...
Can you possibly expand on your post...Can you tell us which evidence was put in front of whom,and which black is still white????
I am sincerely curious,as we do urgently need inputs by new members,to wake us up from our intransigent slumber...

[Oracle]

Is CBBB new?

Sounds strangely familiar ....

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Ooopps sorry Kifeas ... that was a mindless short, childish post, but I can't delete it now, only edit .... so I will try and make it longer ....

BTW ... why can't we delete posts in Cyprus Problem pages?

I've been posting and happily deleting in "General Chat" but that X facility is not available here ...

Might prevent a few temper tantrums if we could delete posts before someone else has posted another after ours ...

There! ... I have padded out my post with a useful suggestion!

I hope you are grateful now!