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[CopperLine]

growuptcs - do you know what the word 'hypothetical' means ? I was saying that the division and occupation is real, concrete i.e, not hypothetical

[Kifeas]

Kifeas
Of course TCs can exercise their EU citizenship rights through RoC. No problem. But contrary to what you say, TCs do not have to denounce anything in order to be able to exercise those rights. And since TCs have rights then, thankfully, they don't have to ask the likes of you to 'accommodate them'.

And no, you're wrong. Far from 'so far reject[ing]' the RoC, many TCs have exercised their EU rights through the RoC and this is likely to set to continue. The result is that more TCs will have EU citizen rights, guaranteed through the RoC, but still the TRNC and RoC will sit politically side by side on a divided island.

CopperLine, you are very diluted my dear! You have no clue of what you are talking about! Let me ask you first, which rights do you beilive the TCs will begin exercising under the EU, if no solution is found? Just tell us a few?

[unitedwestand]

Kifeas
Of course TCs can exercise their EU citizenship rights through RoC. No problem. But contrary to what you say, TCs do not have to denounce anything in order to be able to exercise those rights. And since TCs have rights then, thankfully, they don't have to ask the likes of you to 'accommodate them'.

And no, you're wrong. Far from 'so far reject[ing]' the RoC, many TCs have exercised their EU rights through the RoC and this is likely to set to continue. The result is that more TCs will have EU citizen rights, guaranteed through the RoC, but still the TRNC and RoC will sit politically side by side on a divided island.

CopperLine, you are very diluted my dear! You have no clue of what you are talking about! Let me ask you first, which rights do you beilive the TCs will begin exercising under the EU, if no solution is found? Just tell us a few?

Sorry for my intrusion, one that I can think of straight away, our human rights. Over to you Copperline.

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

Rebel.Without.A.Pause wrote:

Surely the only Turkish Cypriots that have rights under the EU are those living in the Republic of Cyprus or other EU member countries? The regime in the north of Cyprus is not part of the EU.


Unless ive missed something then there is one thing that people are overlooking if the occupied part of Cyprus also comes into the EU. Part of EU law is free settlement of its citizens - therefore, what is stopping Greek Cypriots buying up lots and lots of land in the north after any settlement??? Any plan to put a cap on the amount of Greek Cypriots moving to the could never stand up in an EU court. Therefore, are we going to have an apparent 'Turkish Cypriot federated state' with a majority of Greek Cypriots living there???

Turkish Cypriots fucked up when the majority of them left Cyprus only to be replaced by Turkish settlers. I told you - the Cyprus issue is about the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey. Turkish Cypriots will slowly be out of the picture - they are a community who's numbers are declining.

You obviously don't have a clue of the TCs planning on returning once the problem is resolved.

One more thing. I don't know of any TCs here in the UK that don't already have a home in the TRNC as an investment/retirement home. Our numbers will drastically increase as soon as Christofias signs on the dotted line.

Unitedwestand, are you that naive and silly to think (i think he / she is) that even 75% of the Turkish Cypriot diaspora will return to Cyprus?? Whether they are Turkish Cypriot or not, its common sense that not all immigrants will return back to their motherland. Some are settled nicely, some have passed away with their offspring settled nicely, etc. Even if they have a second home in Cyprus, what makes you think they will go back for good?? Maybe when they retire and are too old to have babies and repopulate the Turkish Cypriot community in Cyprus. To say numbers will 'drastically increase' i think is a bit too optimistic on your account. Maybe a lot of Turkish Cypriot pensioners may move back but like i said, thats not going to repopulate the Turkish Cypriots. Face it, Turkey is killing off the Turkish Cypriot community, not the Republic of Cyprus - whether you like to admit it or not. Unless you do not care about your Cypriot heritage and culture as much as you say you do (deep down you probably want the north to be a colony of Turkey), I would be very concerned.

I mentioned something about this in another topic. If all the GCs who lost land in the north come back to claim it while others move from the RoC side to the north for other reasons (e.g. to try and start or expand their businesses and capitalise on the new markets), then how can there be a 'Turkish Constituent State' where the majority of people living in it are Greek Cypriots?

It all just comes down to how the land will be split and I can't see how that will be resolved fairly with both sides satisfied.

Even if the land is splt like it is today and the north enters the EU, it does not stop Greek Cypriots buying up land in the north. I do not see how the EU law of free settlement for its citizens not take a precedent in Cyprus. Also, once the north comes into the EU, Cyprus will have every right to stop Turkish settlers from Turkey buying properties in Cyprus too. The only thing Turkish Cypriots might have to look forward too is a 'Turkish Constituant State' - which in a few years will probably have a majority of Greek Cypriots living it lol.

[growuptcs]

Unitedwestand:
How can you accuse someone of stealing your house and than in the same breath say its all hypothetical. Its bloody real that you have lost a war, your property, its bloody real there is division. Nothing hypothetical as far as I'm concerned.

Do you even know what the word hypothetical mean?

Yes. The question is, is do you? Your answer of you lost the war and nothing hypothetical as far as your concerned is a hypothetical response to an unfouded truth.
If no one else in the real world recognizes that response,(because there was no war with Turkey firstoff) then you have to prove otherwise. Blocking out a deal doesn't excuse you to say, "nothing hypothetical as far as your concerned"
Thats a fascist statement my friend.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas
Of course TCs can exercise their EU citizenship rights through RoC. No problem. But contrary to what you say, TCs do not have to denounce anything in order to be able to exercise those rights. And since TCs have rights then, thankfully, they don't have to ask the likes of you to 'accommodate them'.

And no, you're wrong. Far from 'so far reject[ing]' the RoC, many TCs have exercised their EU rights through the RoC and this is likely to set to continue. The result is that more TCs will have EU citizen rights, guaranteed through the RoC, but still the TRNC and RoC will sit politically side by side on a divided island.

CopperLine, you are very diluted my dear! You have no clue of what you are talking about! Let me ask you first, which rights do you beilive the TCs will begin exercising under the EU, if no solution is found? Just tell us a few?

Sorry for my intrusion, one that I can think of straight away, our human rights. Over to you Copperline.

Which human rights, and who is violating them?

[unitedwestand]

Rebel.Without.A.Pause wrote:

Surely the only Turkish Cypriots that have rights under the EU are those living in the Republic of Cyprus or other EU member countries? The regime in the north of Cyprus is not part of the EU.


Unless ive missed something then there is one thing that people are overlooking if the occupied part of Cyprus also comes into the EU. Part of EU law is free settlement of its citizens - therefore, what is stopping Greek Cypriots buying up lots and lots of land in the north after any settlement??? Any plan to put a cap on the amount of Greek Cypriots moving to the could never stand up in an EU court. Therefore, are we going to have an apparent 'Turkish Cypriot federated state' with a majority of Greek Cypriots living there???

Turkish Cypriots fucked up when the majority of them left Cyprus only to be replaced by Turkish settlers. I told you - the Cyprus issue is about the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey. Turkish Cypriots will slowly be out of the picture - they are a community who's numbers are declining.

You obviously don't have a clue of the TCs planning on returning once the problem is resolved.

One more thing. I don't know of any TCs here in the UK that don't already have a home in the TRNC as an investment/retirement home. Our numbers will drastically increase as soon as Christofias signs on the dotted line.

Unitedwestand, are you that naive and silly to think (i think he / she is) that even 75% of the Turkish Cypriot diaspora will return to Cyprus?? Whether they are Turkish Cypriot or not, its common sense that not all immigrants will return back to their motherland. Some are settled nicely, some have passed away with their offspring settled nicely, etc. Even if they have a second home in Cyprus, what makes you think they will go back for good?? Maybe when they retire and are too old to have babies and repopulate the Turkish Cypriot community in Cyprus. To say numbers will 'drastically increase' i think is a bit too optimistic on your account. Maybe a lot of Turkish Cypriot pensioners may move back but like i said, thats not going to repopulate the Turkish Cypriots. Face it, Turkey is killing off the Turkish Cypriot community, not the Republic of Cyprus - whether you like to admit it or not. Unless you do not care about your Cypriot heritage and culture as much as you say you do (deep down you probably want the north to be a colony of Turkey), I would be very concerned.

I mentioned something about this in another topic. If all the GCs who lost land in the north come back to claim it while others move from the RoC side to the north for other reasons (e.g. to try and start or expand their businesses and capitalise on the new markets), then how can there be a 'Turkish Constituent State' where the majority of people living in it are Greek Cypriots?

It all just comes down to how the land will be split and I can't see how that will be resolved fairly with both sides satisfied.

Even if the land is splt like it is today and the north enters the EU, it does not stop Greek Cypriots buying up land in the north. I do not see how the EU law of free settlement for its citizens not take a precedent in Cyprus. Also, once the north comes into the EU, Cyprus will have every right to stop Turkish settlers from Turkey buying properties in Cyprus too. The only thing Turkish Cypriots might have to look forward too is a 'Turkish Constituant State' - which in a few years will probably have a majority of Greek Cypriots living it lol.

I have said it before I'll say it again. I am Cypriot. I now live in the UK, I will one day return to my country Cyprus.

Why would I want Cyprus to be a Colony of Turkey or any other. My family fought against ENOSIS.

Contrary to what you may believe there is a significant number of TCs that will return to Cyprus. And trust me most are at an age that can and will repopulate like rabbits.

[unitedwestand]

Kifeas
Of course TCs can exercise their EU citizenship rights through RoC. No problem. But contrary to what you say, TCs do not have to denounce anything in order to be able to exercise those rights. And since TCs have rights then, thankfully, they don't have to ask the likes of you to 'accommodate them'.

And no, you're wrong. Far from 'so far reject[ing]' the RoC, many TCs have exercised their EU rights through the RoC and this is likely to set to continue. The result is that more TCs will have EU citizen rights, guaranteed through the RoC, but still the TRNC and RoC will sit politically side by side on a divided island.

CopperLine, you are very diluted my dear! You have no clue of what you are talking about! Let me ask you first, which rights do you beilive the TCs will begin exercising under the EU, if no solution is found? Just tell us a few?

Sorry for my intrusion, one that I can think of straight away, our human rights. Over to you Copperline.

Which human rights, and who is violating them?

We are not unreasonable people. Our very basic human rights would be good start. Those rights that you the GCs block at every opportunity. No need to list them, you know better than I do what they are.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas
Of course TCs can exercise their EU citizenship rights through RoC. No problem. But contrary to what you say, TCs do not have to denounce anything in order to be able to exercise those rights. And since TCs have rights then, thankfully, they don't have to ask the likes of you to 'accommodate them'.

And no, you're wrong. Far from 'so far reject[ing]' the RoC, many TCs have exercised their EU rights through the RoC and this is likely to set to continue. The result is that more TCs will have EU citizen rights, guaranteed through the RoC, but still the TRNC and RoC will sit politically side by side on a divided island.

CopperLine, you are very diluted my dear! You have no clue of what you are talking about! Let me ask you first, which rights do you beilive the TCs will begin exercising under the EU, if no solution is found? Just tell us a few?

Sorry for my intrusion, one that I can think of straight away, our human rights. Over to you Copperline.

Which human rights, and who is violating them?

We are not unreasonable people. Our very basic human rights would be good start. Those rights that you the GCs block at every opportunity. No need to list them, you know better than I do what they are.

Why no need to list them! Is it because you do not know them, or is it because you know before hand that the one violating them is not the RoC or the GCs, but in fact Turkey that occupies the north illegally! Just tell us only a couple of them!

[Magnus]

Even if the land is splt like it is today and the north enters the EU, it does not stop Greek Cypriots buying up land in the north. I do not see how the EU law of free settlement for its citizens not take a precedent in Cyprus. Also, once the north comes into the EU, Cyprus will have every right to stop Turkish settlers from Turkey buying properties in Cyprus too. The only thing Turkish Cypriots might have to look forward too is a 'Turkish Constituant State' - which in a few years will probably have a majority of Greek Cypriots living it lol.

The only snag is that if the Turkish Cypriot Constituent State has a 50% say in all policies then there may be elements in that state who are happy to have Turkish settlers (or whoever else) buying property and so will oppose any attempt to stop those people from buying land.

It might also be the case that the decision won't be made by the centralised government, but rather the local authority in the Turkish Constituent State who again might not oppose the purchase of property by non-Cypriots.