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[Magnus]

Surely the only Turkish Cypriots that have rights under the EU are those living in the Republic of Cyprus or other EU member countries? The regime in the north of Cyprus is not part of the EU.

Unless ive missed something then there is one thing that people are overlooking if the occupied part of Cyprus also comes into the EU. Part of EU law is free settlement of its citizens - therefore, what is stopping Greek Cypriots buying up lots and lots of land in the north after any settlement??? Any plan to put a cap on the amount of Greek Cypriots moving to the could never stand up in an EU court. Therefore, are we going to have an apparent 'Turkish Cypriot federated state' with a majority of Greek Cypriots living there???

Turkish Cypriots fucked up when the majority of them left Cyprus only to be replaced by Turkish settlers. I told you - the Cyprus issue is about the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey. Turkish Cypriots will slowly be out of the picture - they are a community who's numbers are declining.

I mentioned something about this in another topic. If all the GCs who lost land in the north come back to claim it while others move from the RoC side to the north for other reasons (e.g. to try and start or expand their businesses and capitalise on the new markets), then how can there be a 'Turkish Constituent State' where the majority of people living in it are Greek Cypriots?

It all just comes down to how the land will be split and I can't see how that will be resolved fairly with both sides satisfied.

[unitedwestand]

Ill stick to defending the pros to Cyprus, while you defend the CONS, my foul mouth nemesis.

So you can give it but cant take it. Dont forget you were the one to start with your wisecracks. Your reaction is typical Greek mentality.

[Kifeas]

OK Kifeas let's assume you are right and the next plan is not the last possible plan. What then ? Another thirty years of negotiation ? Will the EU just stand by watching and waiting for some fundamentalists to change their mind ? Will Turkish Cypriots stand by and not exercise their rights under the EU ? Will Greek Cypriots stand by and wait another thirty years for nothing to be resolved ?

You might be right Kifeas, you might well be right. Division or partition doesn't have to be negotiated at all it can just come about as a result of jack-ass stubborness. I concede the point to you.

Copper, if you are looking for fundamentalists that need to change their minds, you can easily direct your eyes towards Turkey and the TC leadership and their illegitimate and thus unacceptable irredentist demands from a solution! There, you will see and find all the fundamentalists you want, and if you are among those interested in a solution of the Cyprus issue, you should try and change their ideas! This is as far as we Greek Cypriots are concerned! The GC side's positions are clear, well rounded, fair, considerate and just for all concerned! It is Turkey and the TC leadership that maintain fundamentalist positions! Do you understand now? I hope so!

Fundamentalists are those seeking to impose solutions outside international legality and human rights principles, for mere political expediency reasons and interests! And now, roll your "little trolley" elsewhere!

[unitedwestand]

You might be right Kifeas, you might well be right. Division or partition doesn't have to be negotiated at all it can just come about as a result of jack-ass stubborness. I concede the point to you.

Contemplate this:

The Greek Cypriot people should stand by ETERNALLY if needed, to reclaim that which is rightfully THEIRS through a 10,000 year ANCESTRAL INHERITTANCE.

We know that Piratis, Kifeas, Sotos, Kikapu and lets say another 20 GCs on the forum subscribe to this idea.

Perhaps you can tell us what percentage of the general public would agree with you?

Today's Greek Cypriots are but a microscopic speck in the millennium-old history of Cyprus so who are they to compromise it? We inherited the island of Cyprus and must pass it on to our children as such or we are not worthy of this honorable inheritance.

If history is anything to go by then the number of invaders the Cypriots have seen off should answer your question, and not a short-sighted head count.

And how do you think we bloody feel? Are you still denying us the right to be on the island? Come on GR, you are my future partner, treat me and respect me like one

[growuptcs]

unitedwestand wrote:

There's nothing 'hypothetical' about the last 34 years, there's nothing 'theoretical' about the division. So what exactly is the difference between a 'Greek Cypriot hypothetical' and a 'Turkish hypothetical' ?

What do you mean there is nothing hypothetical about the last 34 years you blinded goat? Thats the reason that your holding my property STILL. That is the reason why Turkey has been sitting with no movement, like a lame duck. HYPOTHETICALS that only a Turk can bark to, but can never be heard in a normal court that doesn't discriminate.


Are you sure you Turks aren't hermaphrodites, with your he said, she said theories?

[Kifeas]

Will Turkish Cypriots stand by and not exercise their rights under the EU ?

CopperLine, in case you haven't realized anything yet, Turkish Cypriots' rights under the EU go only trough the RoC, which is the state that acceded the EU on behalf of the whole of Cyprus! There is no other way in which the TCs have any rights under the EU, to exercise, appart through them accepting that they are citizens of the RoC! If the TCs wish to return back into the RoC, which is the RoC as it was founded under the 1960 constitution and agreements, they are free to do so as far as the GC are concerned! They only have to tell us so, and we will be glad to accommodate them, provided they denounce the "TRNC" and declare the Turkish army to be an occupation army of part of the soil of the RoC, i.e. their country! Do you understand now? That is the only way TCs are also citizens of the EU! Only through the RoC which so far they reject!

[unitedwestand]

unitedwestand wrote:

There's nothing 'hypothetical' about the last 34 years, there's nothing 'theoretical' about the division. So what exactly is the difference between a 'Greek Cypriot hypothetical' and a 'Turkish hypothetical' ?

What do you mean there is nothing hypothetical about the last 34 years you blinded goat? Thats the reason that your holding my property STILL. That is the reason why Turkey has been sitting with no movement, like a lame duck. HYPOTHETICALS that only a Turk can bark to, but can never be heard in a normal court that doesn't discriminate.


Are you sure you Turks aren't hermaphrodites, with your he said, she said theories?

Wrong. Copperline wrote

[CopperLine]

Kifeas
Of course TCs can exercise their EU citizenship rights through RoC. No problem. But contrary to what you say, TCs do not have to denounce anything in order to be able to exercise those rights. And since TCs have rights then, thankfully, they don't have to ask the likes of you to 'accommodate them'.

And no, you're wrong. Far from 'so far reject[ing]' the RoC, many TCs have exercised their EU rights through the RoC and this is likely to set to continue. The result is that more TCs will have EU citizen rights, guaranteed through the RoC, but still the TRNC and RoC will sit politically side by side on a divided island.

[growuptcs]

Excuse me Copperline.....my bad

[unitedwestand]

unitedwestand wrote:

There's nothing 'hypothetical' about the last 34 years, there's nothing 'theoretical' about the division. So what exactly is the difference between a 'Greek Cypriot hypothetical' and a 'Turkish hypothetical' ?

What do you mean there is nothing hypothetical about the last 34 years you blinded goat? Thats the reason that your holding my property STILL. That is the reason why Turkey has been sitting with no movement, like a lame duck. HYPOTHETICALS that only a Turk can bark to, but can never be heard in a normal court that doesn't discriminate.


Are you sure you Turks aren't hermaphrodites, with your he said, she said theories?

How can you accuse someone of stealing your house and than in the same breath say its all hypothetical. Its bloody real that you have lost a war, your property, its bloody real there is division. Nothing hypothetical as far as I'm concerned.

Do you even know what the word hypothetical mean?