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[Get Real!]

Portraying himself as an “Angel of Deliverance”, Bananiot is nothing less than anathema to the hard earned sovereignty of Cyprus and her 10,000 year old history of incalculable sacrifices.

Under whose authority do you promote that which you do Bananiot? Is it that of international law? Is it that of national law?

No! It is that of the ENEMIES of Cyprus and of her people...

[Paphitis]

Hadjicostis has a personal agenda, most people know this. How about Lazaros Mavrou, Savvas Iacovides and the rest of the rejectionists?

The only compromise I see Bananiot is that of your character...

Thats right GR. How can anybody talk about compromises in human rights and democracy and keep a straight face?There are some things that compromising them is a bad thing. Bananiot doesn't seem to understand this.

Can you imagine if in another country they announced that they would compromise the human rights of their citizens that belong to a specific ethnic group as a "compromise" to the demands of some racist groups? Would Bananiot congratulate such a country for being compromising and finding the middle way between human rights and the demands of those racists?

Bananiot has the decency to take the TCs human rights into consideration. You just cant stomach that can you? After all to you we are only fucking Turks.

No I can not fathom the idea of my human rights being discriminated against politically as my vote will only be worth 1/5 of your vote. Such a democracy is unprecedented in the world and will only lead to constitutional disorder in the future, which is probably what you want so that you get the excuse to seperate from the union and declare your independance. Since I will have 1/5 of the political influence of you, I guess I will also be forced to sit at the back of the bus so that the privileged TCs can occupy the front seats.

[Get Real!]

Bananiot has the decency to take the TCs human rights into consideration. You just cant stomach that can you? After all to you we are only fucking Turks.

Give up your TREASONOUS ways and start acting like Cypriots... your 40 year old "1963..67" feeble excuse to live a life of crime has long expired.

[CopperLine]

OK Kifeas let me replace my phrases - northern community replaced by TRNC ( I had thought you'd object to use of the term TRNC) with the ones you seem to prefer. Either way the same question or dilemma stands : one can either base a new plan on an old one, modifications and all; or one can start with a 'virgin birth'. Whichever path one sets out on now, they're both going through the 'last chance saloon'.

Do you remember the poll a few months back on whether forum members thought there would be an agreed settlement in the next year, two years, five years, ten years etc. If I remember correctly most people didn't think that there'd be a settlement even in the next 30 years. That being the case, division of the island is permanent for all those who were even born in 1974.

Kifeas you can give the parties to this conflict whatever names you want, you can apportion blame and responsibility whichever way you want, but in the end there are two options you either negotiate or you don't (and accept division whether de facto or de jure). If you negotiate, you either take the remains of a failed plan and re-jig it or you start from scratch.

Christofias has not 'given in' - he is simply negotiating. It was Papadopolous who was the twin of Denktash, not Christofias.

Piratis wrote,

Can you imagine if in another country they announced that they would compromise the human rights of their citizens that belong to a specific ethnic group as a "compromise" to the demands of some racist groups?

Yes. No need to imagine, it happens all the time - unfortunately.

[Get Real!]

TURKISH CYPRIOTS...

Your "victimization" bollocks is OVER as exposed by your own people...

II- Contextualization and Prejudices
The aim of this part is to figure out how the facts are contextualized through victimization and sentimental approaches as well as numerous biased information, exaggeration and generalisations.
II-A- Victimization

Generally, throughout the book Turkish Cypriots and the Turks have always been presented as innocent and victimized, whereas the others, Venetians, British, Greek Cypriots or the Greeks were the responsible for the faults, guilt and crimes against Turkish Cypriots and the Turks. Here are some examples:

P. 3, paragraph 2: “Venetians wanted to take revenge for loosing Cyprus.”

P. 8, paragraph 3: “England was looking for ways to conquer the island she long desired. The opportunity England was expecting arose as follows.”

P. 10, paragraph 7: “1931 Uprising and its Consequences”: “Although it wasn’t Turks who started the uprising, the innocent Turkish community was punished as well.”

P. 13, paragraph 1: “Killings by Greeks continued with an increasing pace between 1956 -1958”

P. 17, paragraph 3: “Greek Municipalities were repairing and developing Greek neighbourhoods, whereas Turkish ones were left uncared.”

P. 18, it should also be noted that in some paragraphs, the entire context is based on the victimised words such as “the Dark Years of the Turkish Cypriots”.

http://www.postri.org/efp/3.htm

[Kifeas]

OK Kifeas let me replace my phrases - northern community replaced by TRNC ( I had thought you'd object to use of the term TRNC) with the ones you seem to prefer. Either way the same question or dilemma stands : one can either base a new plan on an old one, modifications and all; or one can start with a 'virgin birth'. Whichever path one sets out on now, they're both going through the 'last chance saloon'.

Do you remember the poll a few months back on whether forum members thought there would be an agreed settlement in the next year, two years, five years, ten years etc. If I remember correctly most people didn't think that there'd be a settlement even in the next 30 years. That being the case, division of the island is permanent for all those who were even born in 1974.

Kifeas you can give the parties to this conflict whatever names you want, you can apportion blame and responsibility whichever way you want, but in the end there are two options you either negotiate or you don't (and accept division whether de facto or de jure). If you negotiate, you either take the remains of a failed plan and re-jig it or you start from scratch.

Christofias has not 'given in' - he is simply negotiating. It was Papadopolous who was the twin of Denktash, not Christofias.

Piratis wrote,

Can you imagine if in another country they announced that they would compromise the human rights of their citizens that belong to a specific ethnic group as a "compromise" to the demands of some racist groups?

Yes. No need to imagine, it happens all the time - unfortunately.

CopperLine, how old are you?

Why don’t you read the treaty of accession of Cyprus into the EU, and see what term is used by the EU to describe the areas in which the EU aqui is suspended, and instead you come here talking nonsense?

You are still confusion notions, Copper! “Virgin-birth” is not a way or basis to start a new plan, or a solution proposal! Clear the issue of “virgin-birth” in your head, and where it applies! You are mixing-up things and notions!

As for your “last-chance” theory, do you believe we can be blackmailed into capitulating to what others may have in mind as to how the Cyprus issue should be solved, because this is the reason you are playing with this notion? Do you believe we will fall into accepting anything, because you say it will be the last chance to a solution? If not, why do you bring up this idea? And if it is the last chance to a solution, partition will follow, according to you, I presume! Yes dear, partition may follow, if the Turkish Cypriot side is prepared to withdraw from ½ of the territory that currently Turkey occupies! Otherwise, do not cross your fingers, for they still need our signature!

[CopperLine]

OK Kifeas let's assume you are right and the next plan is not the last possible plan. What then ? Another thirty years of negotiation ? Will the EU just stand by watching and waiting for some fundamentalists to change their mind ? Will Turkish Cypriots stand by and not exercise their rights under the EU ? Will Greek Cypriots stand by and wait another thirty years for nothing to be resolved ?

You might be right Kifeas, you might well be right. Division or partition doesn't have to be negotiated at all it can just come about as a result of jack-ass stubborness. I concede the point to you.

[Get Real!]

You might be right Kifeas, you might well be right. Division or partition doesn't have to be negotiated at all it can just come about as a result of jack-ass stubborness. I concede the point to you.

Contemplate this:

The Greek Cypriot people should stand by ETERNALLY if needed, to reclaim that which is rightfully THEIRS through a 10,000 year ANCESTRAL INHERITTANCE.

[Magnus]

OK Kifeas let's assume you are right and the next plan is not the last possible plan. What then ? Another thirty years of negotiation ? Will the EU just stand by watching and waiting for some fundamentalists to change their mind ? Will Turkish Cypriots stand by and not exercise their rights under the EU ? Will Greek Cypriots stand by and wait another thirty years for nothing to be resolved ?

Surely the only Turkish Cypriots that have rights under the EU are those living in the Republic of Cyprus or other EU member countries? The regime in the north of Cyprus is not part of the EU.

[unitedwestand]

You might be right Kifeas, you might well be right. Division or partition doesn't have to be negotiated at all it can just come about as a result of jack-ass stubborness. I concede the point to you.

Contemplate this:

The Greek Cypriot people should stand by ETERNALLY if needed, to reclaim that which is rightfully THEIRS through a 10,000 year ANCESTRAL INHERITTANCE.

We know that Piratis, Kifeas, Sotos, Kikapu and lets say another 20 GCs on the forum subscribe to this idea.

Perhaps you can tell us what percentage of the general public would agree with you?