Cyprus-Forum.com

[miltiades]

I have the impression that at some stage in the past, stupid so-called “one line” posts in this section of the forum have been prohibited by the administrator, simply because they fill up the screen and distract the flow of a discussion with meaningless and irrelevant childish remarks! What happened to this rule, and why is it not enforced?

Oracle take note !!

[Oracle]

When people start a thread would they kindly make it clear if they are stating facts or merely alarmist thoughts-in-progress ... i.e. that they are only airing a "Personal Problem" which is to be discussed with their "friends" and not a "Cyprus Problem" which might concern the rest of us ...

Carry on with your Personal Crisis Counselling programme ....

[Oracle]

I have the impression that at some stage in the past, stupid so-called “one line” posts in this section of the forum have been prohibited by the administrator, simply because they fill up the screen and distract the flow of a discussion with meaningless and irrelevant childish remarks! What happened to this rule, and why is it not enforced?

Oracle take note !!

I forgot, length matters to men!

[Paphitis]

I have the impression that at some stage in the past, stupid so-called “one line” posts in this section of the forum have been prohibited by the administrator, simply because they fill up the screen and distract the flow of a discussion with meaningless and irrelevant childish remarks! What happened to this rule, and why is it not enforced?

Oh please give us a break. Pres X just made a statement and no-one has figured out exactly what it all means. You on the other hand started this thread and incinuated that the "game is finished". I mean how childish can you get. I assumed you had more intelligence than that after reading many of your posts.

The dust has not even settled and yet you are convinced that we are at the end of the road.

As Oracle said, this thread should be in the personal section as it has more to do with your inadequacies of dealing with political issues in a more mature manner. Even at this point, I refrain from making any political analysis of what X has stated as the dust has not yet settled and I need more time in order to express a more balanced view. But this does not stop you, as you probably no it all, already.

[miltiades]

I have the impression that at some stage in the past, stupid so-called “one line” posts in this section of the forum have been prohibited by the administrator, simply because they fill up the screen and distract the flow of a discussion with meaningless and irrelevant childish remarks! What happened to this rule, and why is it not enforced?

Oh please give us a break. Pres X just made a statement and no-one has figured out exactly what it all means. You on the other hand started this thread and incinuated that the "game is finished". I mean how childish can you get. I assumed you had more intelligence than that after reading many of your posts.

The dust has not even settled and yet you are convinced that we are at the end of the road.

As Oracle said, this thread should be in the personal section as it has more to do with your inadequacies of dealing with political issues in a more mature manner. Even at this point, I refrain from making any political analysis of what X has stated as the dust has not yet settled and I need more time in order to express a more balanced view. But this does not stop you, as you probably no it all, already.

Here Im in agreement with Paphitis , I have spent at least an hour reading the Cyprus press and I'm yet to come across the gloom and despair exhibited by Kifeas . For all intends and purposes the negotiations have progressed satisfactorily . Kifeas is a very experienced debater and analyst of political matters perhaps he could further explain his obvious resignation to the failure of the talks to produce anything meaningful as he sees it or rather the capitulation of X to Talat .
Phileleftheros had this to say "
Σε κοινή δήλωση, που ανέγνωσε ο Ειδικός Αντιπρόσωπος του ΟΗΕ στην Κύπρο Ταγιέ-Μπρουκ Ζεριχούν, μετα τη συνάντηση τους αναφέρεται ότι ''οι ηγέτες είχαν σήμερα γνήσιες και παραγωγικές συζητήσεις και προέβησαν σε ανασκόπηση των αποτελεσμάτων που επιτεύχθηκαν στη βάση της συμφωνίας της 21ης Μαρτίου''.

''Επαναβεβαίωσαν τη δέσμευσή τους σε μια διζωνική δικοινοτική ομοσπονδία με πολιτική ισότητα, όπως καθορίζεται σε σχετικά ψηφίσματα του Συμβουλίου Ασφαλείας. Αυτός ο συνεταιρισμός θα έχει μία Ομόσπονδη Κυβέρνηση με μία διεθνή προσωπικότητα, καθώς και ένα Τουρκοκυπριακό Συνιστών Κράτος και ένα Ελληνοκυπριακό Συνιστών Κράτος, ίσου καθεστώτος'', σημειώνεται στη δήλωση.

Προστίθεται ότι οι ηγέτες ''έδωσαν εντολές στους Εκπροσώπους τους να εξετάσουν, εντός 15 ημερών, τα αποτελέσματα των τεχνικών επιτροπών''. ''Οι Εκπρόσωποι θα μελετήσουν πολιτικά και στρατιωτικά μέτρα οικοδόμησης εμπιστοσύνης. Θα προωθήσουν το άνοιγμα του οδοφράγματος του Λιμνίτη Γεσιλιρμάκ και άλλων σημείων διέλευσης'', αναφέρεται.

Τη σημερινή συνάντηση είχε ζητήσει ο ίδιος ο Πρόεδρος της Δημοκρατίας αφού διαπίστωσε κάποιες δυσχέρειες και σημαντικές διαφορές απόψεων στις τεχνικές επιτροπές και τις ομάδες εργασίας και για το σκοπό αυτό έκρινε σκόπιμο να ζητήσει από τον Τ/κ ηγέτη να συναντηθούν προκειμένου να συνεκτιμήσουν την κατάσταση.

Πηγή: ΚΥΠΕ

[Piratis]

Bananiot, you keep referring to "rejectionists". What does that mean exactly? Obviously people accept some things and reject other things, including you. So we are all "rejectionists" and "acceptionists".

Take the Nazis for example: They accepted the racist discrimination of people, they accepted the usurping of lands of others, they accepted that using military force to have unfair gains was an acceptable practice, they accepted ethnic cleansing and genocides.

Are the Nazis "acceptionists" like you?

On the other hand take Martin Luther King. He rejected racist discriminations, he rejected segregation, he rejected the idea that the weak should just shut up and not fight for their rights just because the powerful say that what is right and just is "not an option".

He was a "rejectionist" by your standards.

So saying that somebody is a "rejectionist" or "acceptionist" means nothing. It all depends on what that somebody rejects and what he accepts.

Personally I am proud to fight for what is right and just, like Luther King did, while you should be ashamed for finding Nazi practices acceptable just because the Nazis allow no other option.

What I accept is democracy, human rights and political equality as it is understood in the whole world (among citizens).

So I can also be an "acceptionist". The difference between me and you is that I accept only what is just and right, while your only criterion of whether you will accept or reject something is not justice or any other kind of principles, but you will just accept whatever your British and Turkish masters want you to accept.

[Kifeas]

I have the impression that at some stage in the past, stupid so-called “one line” posts in this section of the forum have been prohibited by the administrator, simply because they fill up the screen and distract the flow of a discussion with meaningless and irrelevant childish remarks! What happened to this rule, and why is it not enforced?

Oh please give us a break. Pres X just made a statement and no-one has figured out exactly what it all means. You on the other hand started this thread and incinuated that the "game is finished". I mean how childish can you get. I assumed you had more intelligence than that after reading many of your posts.

The dust has not even settled and yet you are convinced that we are at the end of the road.

As Oracle said, this thread should be in the personal section as it has more to do with your inadequacies of dealing with political issues in a more mature manner. Even at this point, I refrain from making any political analysis of what X has stated as the dust has not yet settled and I need more time in order to express a more balanced view. But this does not stop you, as you probably no it all, already.

Here Im in agreement with Paphitis , I have spent at least an hour reading the Cyprus press and I'm yet to come across the gloom and despair exhibited by Kifeas . For all intends and purposes the negotiations have progressed satisfactorily . Kifeas is a very experienced debater and analyst of political matters perhaps he could further explain his obvious resignation to the failure of the talks to produce anything meaningful as he sees it or rather the capitulation of X to Talat .
Phileleftheros had this to say "
Σε κοινή δήλωση, που ανέγνωσε ο Ειδικός Αντιπρόσωπος του ΟΗΕ στην Κύπρο Ταγιέ-Μπρουκ Ζεριχούν, μετα τη συνάντηση τους αναφέρεται ότι ''οι ηγέτες είχαν σήμερα γνήσιες και παραγωγικές συζητήσεις και προέβησαν σε ανασκόπηση των αποτελεσμάτων που επιτεύχθηκαν στη βάση της συμφωνίας της 21ης Μαρτίου''.

''Επαναβεβαίωσαν τη δέσμευσή τους σε μια διζωνική δικοινοτική ομοσπονδία με πολιτική ισότητα, όπως καθορίζεται σε σχετικά ψηφίσματα του Συμβουλίου Ασφαλείας. Αυτός ο συνεταιρισμός θα έχει μία Ομόσπονδη Κυβέρνηση με μία διεθνή προσωπικότητα, καθώς και ένα Τουρκοκυπριακό Συνιστών Κράτος και ένα Ελληνοκυπριακό Συνιστών Κράτος, ίσου καθεστώτος'', σημειώνεται στη δήλωση.

Προστίθεται ότι οι ηγέτες ''έδωσαν εντολές στους Εκπροσώπους τους να εξετάσουν, εντός 15 ημερών, τα αποτελέσματα των τεχνικών επιτροπών''. ''Οι Εκπρόσωποι θα μελετήσουν πολιτικά και στρατιωτικά μέτρα οικοδόμησης εμπιστοσύνης. Θα προωθήσουν το άνοιγμα του οδοφράγματος του Λιμνίτη Γεσιλιρμάκ και άλλων σημείων διέλευσης'', αναφέρεται.

Τη σημερινή συνάντηση είχε ζητήσει ο ίδιος ο Πρόεδρος της Δημοκρατίας αφού διαπίστωσε κάποιες δυσχέρειες και σημαντικές διαφορές απόψεων στις τεχνικές επιτροπές και τις ομάδες εργασίας και για το σκοπό αυτό έκρινε σκόπιμο να ζητήσει από τον Τ/κ ηγέτη να συναντηθούν προκειμένου να συνεκτιμήσουν την κατάσταση.

Πηγή: ΚΥΠΕ

Miltiades, I suggest you read yesterday's and today's Phileleftheros (and also Simerini) more carefully, and not just Politis and Alithia! Then come back and we may have a discussion!

[miltiades]

I have the impression that at some stage in the past, stupid so-called “one line” posts in this section of the forum have been prohibited by the administrator, simply because they fill up the screen and distract the flow of a discussion with meaningless and irrelevant childish remarks! What happened to this rule, and why is it not enforced?

Oh please give us a break. Pres X just made a statement and no-one has figured out exactly what it all means. You on the other hand started this thread and incinuated that the "game is finished". I mean how childish can you get. I assumed you had more intelligence than that after reading many of your posts.

The dust has not even settled and yet you are convinced that we are at the end of the road.

As Oracle said, this thread should be in the personal section as it has more to do with your inadequacies of dealing with political issues in a more mature manner. Even at this point, I refrain from making any political analysis of what X has stated as the dust has not yet settled and I need more time in order to express a more balanced view. But this does not stop you, as you probably no it all, already.

Here Im in agreement with Paphitis , I have spent at least an hour reading the Cyprus press and I'm yet to come across the gloom and despair exhibited by Kifeas . For all intends and purposes the negotiations have progressed satisfactorily . Kifeas is a very experienced debater and analyst of political matters perhaps he could further explain his obvious resignation to the failure of the talks to produce anything meaningful as he sees it or rather the capitulation of X to Talat .
Phileleftheros had this to say "
Σε κοινή δήλωση, που ανέγνωσε ο Ειδικός Αντιπρόσωπος του ΟΗΕ στην Κύπρο Ταγιέ-Μπρουκ Ζεριχούν, μετα τη συνάντηση τους αναφέρεται ότι ''οι ηγέτες είχαν σήμερα γνήσιες και παραγωγικές συζητήσεις και προέβησαν σε ανασκόπηση των αποτελεσμάτων που επιτεύχθηκαν στη βάση της συμφωνίας της 21ης Μαρτίου''.

''Επαναβεβαίωσαν τη δέσμευσή τους σε μια διζωνική δικοινοτική ομοσπονδία με πολιτική ισότητα, όπως καθορίζεται σε σχετικά ψηφίσματα του Συμβουλίου Ασφαλείας. Αυτός ο συνεταιρισμός θα έχει μία Ομόσπονδη Κυβέρνηση με μία διεθνή προσωπικότητα, καθώς και ένα Τουρκοκυπριακό Συνιστών Κράτος και ένα Ελληνοκυπριακό Συνιστών Κράτος, ίσου καθεστώτος'', σημειώνεται στη δήλωση.

Προστίθεται ότι οι ηγέτες ''έδωσαν εντολές στους Εκπροσώπους τους να εξετάσουν, εντός 15 ημερών, τα αποτελέσματα των τεχνικών επιτροπών''. ''Οι Εκπρόσωποι θα μελετήσουν πολιτικά και στρατιωτικά μέτρα οικοδόμησης εμπιστοσύνης. Θα προωθήσουν το άνοιγμα του οδοφράγματος του Λιμνίτη Γεσιλιρμάκ και άλλων σημείων διέλευσης'', αναφέρεται.

Τη σημερινή συνάντηση είχε ζητήσει ο ίδιος ο Πρόεδρος της Δημοκρατίας αφού διαπίστωσε κάποιες δυσχέρειες και σημαντικές διαφορές απόψεων στις τεχνικές επιτροπές και τις ομάδες εργασίας και για το σκοπό αυτό έκρινε σκόπιμο να ζητήσει από τον Τ/κ ηγέτη να συναντηθούν προκειμένου να συνεκτιμήσουν την κατάσταση.

Πηγή: ΚΥΠΕ

Miltiades, I suggest you read yesterday's and today's Phileleftheros (and also Simerini) more carefully, and not just Politis and Alithia! Then come back and we may have a discussion!

Yes I will , bear in mind Kifeas that I do not prescribe to any particular political ideology as far as Cyprus is concerned. I only read the Cypriot press on the net and have not one in particular that I find more palatable than the other. Actually I'm of the opinion that the Cyprus press is one of the most informative intellectually in Europe. If for instance I was to compare some of the British Press with the Cypriot press then Cyprus press is far more intellectual , informative , and sophisticated. I do think that , on a lighter note , a page 3 feature would be welcomed !!

I will study further today and perhaps we can air views based on occuring developments not speculative conjecture .

[unitedwestand]

Anyone who is NOT a Cypriot Nationalist can only possibly be a Nationalist of some foreign entity… make no mistake.

You make the mistake. It is possible to be an internationalist.

What the hell is that?

All nationalisms lead in the same direction.

I doubt you even know the meaning of the word.

Start using a dictionary.

You are about 200 years behind when it comes to languages, we are inventing new words all the time. After cheap labour it is our biggest export. Keep up if you can

Yes I agree. Everything about Turkey is cheap.

Yes, the military and its hardware. Turkish white-goods that are exported all over Europe. In particular BEKO who has a 40% share in the UK market. Their automotive industry, all cheap. Cheap, cheap, cheap.

We call TCs that are not so desirable in society BAFIDI. Does this apply to the GCs? DO you call your not so smart one PAFITIS?

[Paphitis]

So in order to be able to participate in this debate about the end of the world, we must read Phileleftheros and Simerini, which are 2 rejectionist papers.

What if I say to you to go and read the Cyprus Mail which is a newspaper which expresses a political line in total opposition to the newspapers that you mention.

I do not need to remind you that newspapers are only after sensationalism to sell their papers. And that is exactly what this thread is. A sensationalist and irrational thread designed to confuse us even more but this time authored by individuals that do not know what they are talking about or to achieve some form of attention.

All I say is just wait until the dust settles before we start consuming ourselves in defeatist emotions or send the lynch mob over to the presidential palace. I mean what an over reaction. No one exactly knows what is going on and yet they believe the game is "finished".